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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 01:01 PM
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Is Fahrenheit 911 actors recreating the events or is it actual picture of
news clips and interviews with people? I don't exactly understand what is or how it is portrayed.
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jackstraw45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 01:01 PM
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1. It's ALL REAL. It's a documentary. REAL people, REAL clips
Hope that helps.
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 01:01 PM
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2. yeah, they got a monkey to play Bush
the Monopoly Man turns in a stirring performance as Dick Cheney.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 01:02 PM
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3. It's all actual footage
Some he took himself, some he got from news agencies.

I don't think Moore has ever used 'actors' in my memory.

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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 01:03 PM
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4. sure he has. Canadian Bacon.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 01:04 PM
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5. But thats better left forgotten. EOM
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 01:23 PM
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10. LOL! Indeed!
I think even Moore admits that...
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 01:05 PM
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6. Ohhh....
We don't speak about that movie here....

(actually, I finally saw it the other week, and parts of it were very funny)
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 01:22 PM
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9. I thought it was great.
Possibly John Candy's greatest film.

What's not to love about it?
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 01:48 PM
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12. Two words. . .
Rhea Perlman :)
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 01:12 PM
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7. Well, very few people have actually seen the film. . .
I certainly haven't, but it's my understanding from what I've read that there are no "recreated" scenes in it; it's all clips from news sources and footage Moore filmed for the picture. So it's "true" in the sense of events recorded as they occurred. How Moore utilizes that footage, the conclusions he draws and the editorial slant he imbues them with will, of course, be a matter for intense debate in the coming months. If it's as good as most reviewers are lauding it, it should be a powerful, thought-provoking experience, sure to influence and hopefully sway a great number of voters in their November decision.
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 01:19 PM
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8. It hasn't been released yet (6/25/04). But it's a documentary.
First time that a documentary has won the Palme d'Or @ Cannes. Very exciting.

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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 01:26 PM
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11. truth is always stranger than fiction especially these days
if you've seen his other documentaries, you know he doesn't stage anything.

He's good at finding the weirdness in people and bringing it out. Remember "rabbits for sale, for food or pets" in the Flint Michigan doc? (I can't remember the name of it)
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Columbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 10:43 PM
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13. Actually he does stage a few things
That segment in BFC that portrays the hunters video taping a dog - that was staged. No video was ever taken of that incident, only stills.
http://www.wnyc.org/onthemedia/transcripts_120602_more.html

The part where he buys ammo in Canada - that was staged (or he broke the law). Only Canadian citizens can legally buy ammo in Canada, non citizens must have a license.
http://www.cfc-ccaf.gc.ca/en/owners_users/guide/default.asp#crossing14

There are also questions about the bank scene being staged as well -http://www.dailyvidette.com/news/2003/04/10/EZone/Michael.Moore.And.The.Awful.Truth.Volume.Two-413482.shtml
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 10:56 PM
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14. Here is what Moore says about the "bank scene"
Excerpt:

The Truth: In the spring of 2001, I saw a real ad in a real newspaper in Michigan announcing a real promotion that this real bank had where they would give you a gun (as your up-front interest) for opening up a Certificate of Deposit account. They promoted this in publications all over the country – "More Bang for Your Buck!"

There was news coverage of this bank giving away guns, long before I even shot the scene there. The Chicago Sun Times wrote about how the bank would "hand you a gun" with the purchase of a CD. Those are the precise words used by a bank employee in the film.

When you see me going in to the bank and walking out with my new gun in "Bowling for Columbine" – that is exactly as it happened. Nothing was done out of the ordinary other than to phone ahead and ask permission to let me bring a camera in to film me opening up my account. I walked into that bank in northern Michigan for the first time ever on that day in June 2001, and, with cameras rolling, gave the bank teller $1,000 – and opened up a 20-year CD account. After you see me filling out the required federal forms ("How do you spell Caucasian?") – which I am filling out here for the first time – the bank manager faxed it to the bank's main office for them to do the background check. The bank is a licensed federal arms dealer and thus can have guns on the premises and do the instant background checks (the ATF's Federal Firearms database—which includes all federally approved gun dealers—lists North Country Bank with Federal Firearms License #4-38-153-01-5C-39922).

Within 10 minutes, the "OK" came through from the firearms background check agency and, 5 minutes later, just as you see it in the film, they handed me a Weatherby Mark V Magnum rifle (If you'd like to see the outtakes, click here).

Entire article with live links (to outtakes, etc.)
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/wackoattacko/
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Columbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 11:04 PM
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15. And this is what the bank says:
“That we would give out guns in the bank is very untrue,” Helen Steinman, the customer service representative seen greeting Moore in the bank, explained when I contacted her in February.

“Under the account Moore opened, instead of getting interest on a CD, you get a gun,” Steinman continued. “But before you get the gun, there’s a ton of paperwork that has to be done. We have to do the background check. There has to be a designated place where you pick up the gun - at a gun shop.

“You can’t just come in here and get a gun.”

Nor does the bank “just hand you the gun,” Steinman added. “No way - no way. That was very misrepresentative on Moore’s part.”

Steinman said the bank, “didn’t realize Moore would be insinuating what he insinuated. He was only supposed to be coming in and pretending to open up a CD. What the girl who opened up the account really told him was that there would be a background check and that he wouldn’t get the gun for six weeks.”

http://www.dailyvidette.com/news/2003/04/10/EZone/Michael.Moore.And.The.Awful.Truth.Volume.Two-413482.shtml

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Fescue4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 11:29 PM
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16. I still havent figured out that scene
Well at least what the big deal is. I grant that this scene is not faked etc, but so what?

Open an account and get gun. BFD.

I know that some people seem to think that a gun in a bank is crazy, but thats just rapid emotionalism.

No criminal is gonna deposit $1k, give his id, get the nics check approved, get the gun from the bank and immediately rob it (I suppose of the $1k he just deposited)

But that scene does seem to give the anti-gun zealots jollys, so i guess thats why it was done.

Now that I think about, I've had a gun in bank..a bank that was in an airport (OMG OMG OMG). No biggie, withdrew some money for the trip and then checked my gun at the counter. again, bfd.
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