Can Those Of Us Who Supported Dean Against Kerry Now Remove Our Burqas?

[David Zephyr]

Are you Kerry people still sore at us?

Can we hang out now as united brothers and sisters with you, pulling together for John Kerry now?

Can we remove the burqas already? :hi:

[Rowdyboy]

1. As a former Graham/Clark/Edwards supporter (in that order)

I'd say that if I was welcomed, you should be downright loved!

[ibegurpard]

2. As long as you worship Kerry,

state daily that this is the best campaign EVER and that there are ABSOLUTELY NO problems in the Democratic Party then you should be just fine.

[LoZoccolo]

6. Doo da loo da doo doo doo doo la loo da...

...loo da loo da doo da loo da.

Loo da doo da doo doo doo doo doo da loo da doo.

[freetobegay]

7. In case you haven't heard Dean Lost

He lost Big!

[Name removed]

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[freetobegay]

57. Anytime!

:)

[Cheswick2.0]

55. In case you haven't heard

we know what happened in the primaries and it isn't pretty and doesn't speak well of Kerry or the democratic party I have been a member of for thirty years.

Think before you spout anymore comments like the one you just made. I don't have to vote for Kerry and would be fine with not doing so, If he choses the wrong running mate or other asholes in the party piss me off too much.

[freetobegay]

56. You can vote for whoever you want

I don't care! I am voting for Kerry because he Is the Nominee, he was not my first choice. Unlike some people I know what it's going to take to get rid of Bush. Like I said you can vote for whoever you want.

[Nlighten1]

23. Yeppers.

Get in line or get lost.

[Larkspur]

3. I don't have a burqa and I'm not interested in befriending Kerry

supporters.

I'll vote for Kerry because the alternative is a disaster, but I'll spit on his name when I do. You don't have to like a candidate to vote for him/her.

[ashling]

24. Its not good enought to just vote & spit

I have been a Dean follower and supprter since at least 2001, and, like you, I do not think that Kerry is the perfect candidate. Neither was Dean.
However, as the alternative IS disaster, to use your words, we need to support Kerry wholeheartedly. Spitting is not alowed.
:dem:

[ronnykmarshall]

4. Okey dokey!

As a Clark now Kerry supporter ..... take it off, take ALL off!

[LoZoccolo]

5. I jumped ship from Dean to Kerry even before my primary...

...and I haven't heard anything bad from Kerry people.

(The primary was 3/16, after the end of active campaigning by Dean.)

[David Zephyr]

8. I Went Down With The Ship.

But the ship was only a campaign, not the man. Howard Dean is a great American and he's supporting another great American: John Kerry.

[Kipepeo]

15. Kerry/Dean poll numbers

are good:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=549012&mesg_id=549012

[WLKjr]

30. Same here

I kept up donations to him just before the "Dean Scream", then I grabbed the life preserver, lol. He'll be back, just wait and see. maybe not soon but he will be back.

[union_maid]

9. Former Clark supporter here

Have not experienced any stigma from same. :) It's bashing our candidate that people don't like in general. I certainly can't speak for any individuals that may be holding grudges, of course, but I can't see why anyone would do that.

[David Zephyr]

14. Unity.

:hi:


There once was a union maid, she never was afraid
Of goons and ginks and company finks and the deputy sheriffs who made the raid.
She went to the union hall when a meeting it was called,
And when the Legion boys come 'round
She always stood her ground.


Oh, you can't scare me, I'm sticking to the union,
I'm sticking to the union, I'm sticking to the union.
Oh, you can't scare me, I'm sticking to the union,
I'm sticking to the union 'til the day I die.
This union maid was wise to the tricks of company spies,
She couldn't be fooled by a company stool, she'd always organize the guys.
She always got her way when she struck for better pay.
She'd show her card to the National Guard
And this is what she'd say:

You gals who want to be free, just take a tip from me;
Get you a man who's a union man and join the ladies' auxiliary.
Married life ain't hard when you got a union card,
A union man has a happy life when he's got a union wife.

[NMDemDist2]

10. my goodness, I guess I'm glad I found this place

AFTER the primaries

[LoZoccolo]

12. Hahahaha!

Oh man it was bad.

[NMDemDist2]

19. i don't want to even imagine, but I woulda been here swinging

away for my guy JK, just like i'm doing today

Kerry is smart, he's a tough politician who is know for his "come from behind" strategies, he is a card carrying liberal from Mass. he is a warrior and a statesman, and he can freakin hold his mud when the going gets weird

:yourock: Senator Kerry


so there :P

[Dogmudgeon]

13. Jeeze Louise!

Ten of the best Democrats to ever share a dais fought hard for the vision they had for America. One of them, John Kerry, emerged, and the others have pledged their support. E Pluribus Unum is not just a motto -- it's a living principle of solidarity.

Even Dennis Kucinich, who is nominally opposing Kerry in the remaining primaries, is boosting Kerry. Kucinich is everything I wished Nader had been four years ago. We need the voice of conscience from the left, and now we have one who has joined the struggle.

This election isn't about John Kerry, or Howard Dean, or anyone-in-particular else. It's about making America the kind of place we can be proud to be citizens of. And I'll tell ya, I'm damned proud of the Democratic Party as a result of that primary battle.

John, Howard, Wes, and the rest of 'em, all know what the prize is and how high the stakes are. There will be other opportunities for personal glory. But this one is for America.

--bkl

[David Zephyr]

16. This One Is For America

and the world. I agree. :hi:

[union_maid]

22. Yup

It was a great slate. I thought it was a wonderful selection, so I guess it's no wonder that people were passionate about their number one choices. Everyone had something important to say and at least half of them could have made a real good president. Probably most of them would.

[noahmijo]

17. Never had anything against Dean supporters to begin with...

Hey you guys had the fire as did Dean to motivate people. Personally I think Dean is a good guy with good ideas and intentions and a total genius at firing the people up, but I simply prefer Kerry's military and economic policies.

However a Kerry/Dean ticket to me would be one I'd proudly vote for.

[WLKjr]

42. I would proudly vote that ticket too

right now, I havent donated a dime to Kerry(I know I know, wtf am I thinking right) and haven't to any campaign since Dean's loss. If it does happen (hypothetically speaking), I believe it would open up the flood gates of grassroots money power and campaigning. It would be historical in the figures for voter registration and turnout to any election in history I bet.

Even if not and he goes for someone else, still will throw my support behind him because in the end, bush must go.

and for anyone that wants to flame me for being a hardcore Dean supporter still, I will not argue with you and I will go back to my dark corner of the room and continue to smoke my crack pipe :)

[David Zephyr]

43. No More Dark Corners.

And no more burqas.

:hi:

[lastknowngood]

18. NO! I'll vote against *Bush that's as far as I'm willing to go

when Kerry gives me some reason to vote for him we can talk. He's spending all his time trying to select a repug or a DINO to be his
v.p., that ain't making me want to vote for him. The DLC/DNC cabala that helped the repugs destroy Dean with lies and back stabbing can kiss it. When the party gives me someone to vote for and to support I'll do so but as long as they are just agreeing with the shrub on everything I'll keep my distance.

[NMDemDist2]

20. how can you say that? JK hasn't spoken a word

about his VP search. All this crap about McCain and Dino's have been by the media and right here on DU

Sen Kerry made it plain after 2000 having his name bandied about by Gore, he would never do that to anyone else. I haven't yet heard a credible source re: McCain or Nunn or Lieberman or anyone.

It is all talking head BS IMO

[unkachuck]

21. as former Dean supporter....

.....I can live with Kerry and will vote for him in the fall....but alot of Kerry people want all-or-nothing right now and won't tolerate any discussion.....

I can't see why they can't see the bigger Dean picture.....for me it was less about Dean the man and his policies (althought I found them most acceptable) but more about how he was coming to power....

He was side-stepping the 2-Party corporate-money-broker-system.....for the first time in more than half a century a financial political path was found to get a grass-roots peoples-candidate into high public office....

If we can't see the current or future potential in that, well, then I guess we'll have to smile and be happy with our corprate-owned political system....

[David Zephyr]

25. I Hear You.

Glad to see you will be helping John.

[NMDemDist2]

26. that's another reason why I like Kerry

he "borrows" what works for the loyal opposition :)

and he mortgaged his house to try and help his country

AND his wife told the RW to watch out or she'd put her personal fortune behind him

and I send him $500 (altogether) my first contribution to a political candidate EVER and I'm not the only one

[Pastiche423]

44. "be happy with our corprate-owned political system...."

No change, no hope for change in a party that is dying is allowed!

The primary taught anyone paying attention (once again), that it is not We, the People that elect our representatives. It is and will most likely always be TPTB.

Keep feeding the machine and you will keep getting the same.

[Bjornsdotter]

51. Wow!

Hi,

You took the words right out of my mouth!

Cheers,
Kim

[Still_Loves_John]

27. As a longtime Kerry supporter

let me say that people usually don't like Dean supporters not because they chose Dean, but because they act like they are superior to the rest of us for doing so. This post will probably end up a bit of a rant, so I should probably say that it's not directed at most Dean supporters, but at to a highly vocal contigent within them.
I think it started when Dean was way ahead in the primaries--most people had already assumed that Dean would win the nomination. Lots of Dean supporters annoyed the rest of us with the way they treated the rest of us--outright mocking anyone else for supporting a losing candidate. This, I think, is one of the reasons that Dean supporters were treated like they were after the primaries. People were kind of getting revenge for the way they were treated during the primaries.
After he lost, the problem didn't go away, however. These people suddenly became martyrs, believing that the only way that their candidate could have lost was because of a some huge conspiracy, and everyone on the board who didn't support their candidate was part of it. They weren't completely off base--there were lots of posts that were basically kicking a dead horse; people would post anti-dean messages after it was clear that Dean was not going to be a nominee. The reason I think this happened was that they had been used to attacking Dean, who was the front runner, and when he fell so far so fast they didn't immediatly stop treating him like one. I know I'm off on a bit of a tangent, but what I'm saying is there is a difference between attacking someone who is leading and someone who is way behind in the polls.
Regardless, the anti Dean posts eventually stopped, but not soon enough to prevent some people from developing a martyr complex, and now the only posts concerning Dean that I see are ones by Dean supporters who, one way or a another, lament how they are being ignored, or ostracised, or whatever.

I just want to reiterate again that this is definatly not directed at most Dean supporters, but at a very small, but highly annoying, minority within them that have, unfortunatly, succeeded in defining all Dean supporters to a lot of people.

[quinnox]

37. Very well done

This is a good run-down of the history here, and I agree completely with your analysis. My problem was with a handful of Dean people who were the most obnoxious people I have encountered on a message board, and that does tend to make a bad impression in general. I think it was because a lot of them were very young, and so on.

That said, I have been impressed with some Deaniacs who now are firmly in Kerry's corner, and seem to have lost the rudeness that I once saw. I guess a hot primary contest can bring out the worst in people sometimes.

I even wouldn't mind A Kerry/Dean ticket at this point, although I think it is unlikely. But Dean has really impressed me with his unabashed support for Kerry and Dems in general, and he deserves at least a slot in a Kerry administration.

[David Zephyr]

38. I Was One of the Most Obnoxious Deaniacs Here.

Dean supporters were and are some of the finest activists for social and economic justice in the country.

This is, hopefully, a healing thread.

We all need each other.

Thanks for your kind words about Dr. Dean.

Like Howard Dean, I'm squarely behind John Kerry.

[quinnox]

39. Your very welcome

I think this thread is a good one.

[JI7]

47. but you accepted when Kerry did win

first of all there weren't many kerry supporters on du. even now most people on du supported either dean or clark and maybe kucinich. the number of people who supported kerry and edwards was much lower. i think the kerry and edwards supporters combined was much lower than those for other candidates. so i could kind of understand the disappointment on du for kerry winning since he wasn't the choice of most.

my problem now is mostly those who refuse to accept there are people who like and support kerry which is why he won. but even then it's the same few people rather than most.

i don't really hold the things that happened during the primary against anyone though. dean and kerry themselves are working together now. dean could have just said he was endorsing kerry and left it at that but he went all out and held appearances and fundraisers for kerry. he even lend kerry his fundraising bat.

[BurtWorm]

62. I was hot for Dean. I'm cool for Kerry.

Waiting impatiently (and more and more hopelessly) to get a LOT warmer.

[JI7]

63. why do you feel the need to feel or get "warm"

i would not have been as happy with other candidates, but i don't need to feel warm in supporting anyone.

[BurtWorm]

64. I have never felt this cold toward a Democratic nominee before.

Why this year, of all years, when I'm hot to get rid of Bush and punish the Republicans in Congress? It's because I believe Kerry consistently displays contempt for Democrats like me, that's why, from his IWR vote to his suggestion to "stop crying in our teacups and "get over" the 2000 Election. It's because I catch the strong odor from the Kerry campaign that we are to just trust him to be more left after the election. Never mind that he's adopted the Bushist project to "democratize Iraq." Never mind that he's adopted the Likudist position on Israel/Palestine. Never mind that the word "security" appears over and over in the Democratic Platform, signaling loud and clear that they "get" what's really going on in the war on terror as well as the Bushists want them to.

Kerry disappoints the shit out of me. He's got my ABB vote. If he wants more from me, he's going to have to do a LOT more FOR me.

[Cheswick2.0]

66. really? I thought the Kerry and then clark supporters were the worst

of course not all of them. :hi: but they were deffinately the most obnoxious people on the board.

[SlingBlade]

28. I Was, And always will be a Deaniac

But I’m behind Kerry 110% now, This Nation need’s Unity within the Democratic Party.
Anything less IS unpatriotic, Because it will further the cause of George W Bush and his Fucking Nazi Clan.

Go Kerry, Kick some tale.


:dem:

[David Zephyr]

29. Kiloman and Zephyr: Proud Deaniacs for Kerry.

Great sentiments! :hi:

[SlingBlade]

31. He's got Fire David

I hope to see him become more involved

[David Zephyr]

33. We Will.

Howard Dean is a player.

[Gman]

32. I still kinda laugh when I think about everybody's avatars last fall

and spring and how they were like gang colors.

[David Zephyr]

34. Gang Colors.

Brilliant! :hi:

[SlingBlade]

35. Yea, But theres only one now

The Champs
:dem:

[IronLionZion]

36. I'm a Deaniac

Kerry was rather low in my list:
Dean
Clark
Edwards
Kerry

Kerry could make amends by choosing Dean as VP or Sec. of Health or some other notable position in his administration.

[bossfish]

46. I had similar preferences

Dean
Clark
Graham
Edwards
Kerry

I still voted for Dean in the CA primary, even though by that point he had sort of given up.

I wanted my vote to be a "thank you" to Dr. Dean

I'm behind JFK now, I've donated some and plan to donate more.

We have to save the country and Kerry is our best hope.

[IronLionZion]

50. Yeah I voted for the Doc too

to send his delegates to the convention.

[quaker bill]

40. I have gotten used to mine, it no longer chafes

I, like Howard Dean, will do what I can to get Kerry elected, because the alternative is continuing this disaster.

I, however, will only be convinced that Kerry is electable after he wins.

That being said, I am beginning to believe that Bush is highly defeatable. Lets go and do it.

[David Zephyr]

41. Let's Go & Do It!

:headbang:

[Name removed]

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[David Zephyr]

48. Ironic. Sarcastic.

We're not victims. And Dean is hardly a victim.

Howard Dean is vindicated completely by history now, by the absence of weapons of mass destruction, by the shit hole that Iraq has become, by the exposed lie of ties between Saddam and Osama...and lots, lots more.

Eloriel, you are one of the finest, sharpest and most loyal of Dean supporters there was...and anyone here at the DU that doesn't know it...should!

And don't you dare put me on ignore! No slinking.

[JI7]

49. "Kerry thugs" ?

[ACK]

52. As long as you on board ... who cares? ... Dean is a good voice for Kerry

And the nation.

Never hated Dean or any other primary candidate.

_

[cally]

53. Dean energized the grassroots

and taught many of us how to campaign in the internet age. His message and outspokenness encouraged other candidates to speak out. All of the Presidential candidates offered much to this campaign. I did not support Kerry during the primary but I am now behind him 110 percent. I like him and adore Teresa.

I spent several hours today coordinating with 'former' Dean supporters on the Democratic campaign in my area. If I heard one more time about how wonderful the Dean campaign was then I would have exploded. Dean's campaign was innovative and important but we have to adjust to the new reality. Kerry is our nominee. His campaign worked. He won.

Welcome aboard from a new Kerry convert.

[MAlibdem]

54. Us sore at you?

I would've thought it'd be the other way around, what with us winning and all?

Just kidding! Come aboard already!

[Killarney]

58. Former Clark supporter here

who would be proud to have any of our primary candidates in the White House over the shitbag that's in there now! :)

I support Kerry 100% and will not only vote for him, but support his campaign financially and with my time. Go Dems. :toast:

[NoPasaran]

59. Deaniac for Kerry

I get along fine with the Kerry and former Clark people I know in real life.

And I think that that is for the most part true on DU as well. Yes, there are a few people on both sides who cannot resist either pointing out that Dean lost (thanks, hadn't heard) or expressing the deep personal disgust and moral anguish with which they will squeeze closed their nostrils and vote for that paragon of corporate mendacity John Kerry. To whom all I can say is... whatever. And hope that these behavioral quirks occur for the most part only while they are connected to a keyboard.

I owe a lot to Howard Dean. He taught me that if I was unhappy about the way things are it is my responsibility to get up and change them. And having made some effort, I'm amazed at what's been possible so far and I am convinced that the tens of thousands of us who were inspired by someone or something this year to get active will yet turn this country around.

[CWebster]

60. Yo, speak for yourself

Besides aren't you the one who declared your conversion to da General?

[CWebster]

61. I want to know

If Bush is such a disaster that the thought of causes such griping terror---why did Senator Kerry support said horror for the duration while we were in the streets and calling on him to do his duty?

Although he postures as Mr military hero, he was a coward. That's why.

[David Zephyr]

65. John Kerry is Not A Coward, CWebster.

I don't think that you really believe that. And no, I did not "convert" to Clark, although I sang and still do his praises. My money and time went to Howard Dean and even after the dust had long settled and Dean had dropped out, when I voted in the Primary here in California, I voted for Howard Dean.

You can fault John Kerry for the rest of your life for his shortcomings, but is not a coward.

[Cheswick2.0]

67. I like my Burqa

If it means I don't have to buy into group think or take a loyalty oath.

[David Zephyr]

68. You Are Sooooooooo Bad.

Just take it off and run naked like me.