Has Randi gone off the deep end a little?

[Must_B_Free]

With the assertion that the flight controllers contacted the Military, she is asserting something which she has no proof for. That is "dangerous" in itself, but did you hear the last caller?

She counters his logical claim that flight 93 was shot down by saying that the 2nd piece of the plane jumed 8 miles upon impact.

Then realizing how foolish this statement is, she says "it doesn't matter".

I fell she's gone into a realm of tinfoil - not necessarily wrong, but unless you can prove something, it does little to support you point.

And before you bash me for being disloyal, I am merely beoing honest and as many here know I am a MIHOPPER since the 2nd crash on 9/11.

[fdr_hst_fan]

1. A) cut her a break; Butt-crack Rush ALWAYS plays fast and loose with the

truth; B) what's a MIHOPPER?

[catzies]

4. Someone who believes the BFEE "made it happen on purpose"

You know, their Pearl Harbor (see PNAC) or Reichstag fire. :)

[Daisey Mae]

NO. RANDI IS TELLING THE TRUTH

[frankly_fedup2]

2. Well, I'm glad we have Air America and Randi; however,

Randi is NEVER wrong. . . NEVER!!! She will scream over anyone who disagrees with her.

I love the way she explains and breaks some things down, but you cannot disagree with her without her yelling or cutting you off.

We do not NEED nor do we want a Sean Hannity on Air America.

Randi needs to calm down a bit. I know she gets as angry as we do, and lucky her, she has a venue to express herself; however, we are on her side and she seems to forget that sometimes.

Also, this yelling at people and calling them "lazy Dems" is so hypocritical on her part. I emailed her and told her that she was being hypocritical with that statement because everything she does she gets a B-I-G paycheck to do.

She's good, love her show, hate when she yells at anyone who disagrees with her and/or talks down to them like it is their fault.

Say what you want . . . the chick needs to listen to the callers sometime.

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[sendero]

15. It's show biz folks....

... get it? It is SHOW BIZ. It is NOT DESIGNED or INTENDED to be a factual, balanced, probing of today's events.

It is designed to GET EARS. And in America, rudeness does the trick, ask ANY NUMBER of radio/tv experts.

Get your own show and see how many listeners you get. AMERICANS ARE NOT INTEREST IN TRUTH AND JUSTICE, THEY WANT TO BE ENTERTAINED.

It's sad, but it is a fact, one that the pukes have been using to their advantage for over a decade while the goody liberal keep getting their noses rubbed into the carpet.

[mountainvue]

41. Not seeking the

aprroval of other is the best way to get it. She gets people to listen. We're fighting a plethora of media with a world wide reach with 11 stations folks. We need to get people to listen.

[doni_georgia]

3. She's sounding like a major LIHOPer at least today.

Don't think it's crazy at all.

[sangh0]

5. The Crusade has resumed

MBF has had a hard-on about Randi since AAR started up. That;s why he has to take something which at it's worst a "mistake" and misportray it as a sign of mental illness.

[Must_B_Free]

35. How did I portray anything as mental illness

I think that in an interpretation that you are projecting.

And furthermore, Sangha or Sangah0, you have never provided the proof for your assertion that the Nazis likened themselves to Dravidians instead of Aryans, from our discussion from several months ago.

[sangha]

39. "off the deep end" is slang for

:crazy:

And you are very confused about the past.

[Must_B_Free]

44. off the deep end = in over your head

As in "making assertions you can't support".

Sanga don't bother responding. I am not going to waste any further time with someone who can't admit when he is wrong.

You were wrong to say that the Nazis imagined themselves Dravidians. A quick search of the web will tell you that it was Aryans they fancied themselves, but I already provided the links that prove you wrong. Asw if I even need links. Everyone knows that Aryans were the invaders of Dravidians. You have the facts upside down and refuse to admit your mistake. You are the one that is confused about the past. Anybody reading this can see that.

Why you insist on clinging to facts that even grade school children know are wrong is beyond me, but I don't really care. Discussion with you is a waste of time.

[frankly_fedup2]

6. Hello, I hate to ask this but . . .

could someone update me on all the Acronyms that have been posted just on this thread so far?

Would greatly appreciate it and would like to understand what everyone else is talking about. :hi:

[never cry wolf]

12. This should help

DU glossary (MBF refers to the priginal poster, must be free)

http://dug.seattleactivist.org/

[NewYorkerfromMass]

7. If Flight 93 was NOT shot down

then our Air Force totally and completely sucks.
It's bad enough they had time to get to the Pentagon, but there is no way we didn't shoot that plane down. Especially with all the evidence of a shoot down (wide debris field).

[Corgigal]

9. flight controllers contacted the Military

they did because it's standard operating procedure. When it hits the fan, in any profession, you go by the sop.

[FlaGranny]

10. No, she has not.

And yes, it was a mistake, and no, it doesn't matter to the overall scenario whether the plane was shot down or brought down by passengers. The passengers were still heroic, and the reaction of the military was still suspect.

[Gold Metal Flake]

11. You must have posted this before her return from the break.

She's not sure on the shootdown, but had thought about it. Her responses to the next caller, the female airport worker, reflects this.

Randi is just like us. Putting it together. Now why don't you give it time?

[Dover]

13. Mike Malloy was a better ranter. And he still let his guests and callers

get a word in edgewise and had some good conversations. So I'd prefer him over Randi. I like Randi because she talks about things the others on Air America won't, but I can only take her in small doses.

[Cyrano]

17. We finally have a strong liberal voice out there and

we're eating our own babies.

Jeez, she's not perfect, but she's a great antidote to hate radio.

[Dover]

26. My point was that we had a strong liberal voice in Mike Malloy

and he was not valued. And yet Randi Rhodes gets the job. As I said, as far as AA goes, she definitely comes the closest to those subjects that no one else will touch and does a good job. It's her interviewing skills that I find hard to take for very long.

But of course I'm glad...no I'm THRILLED... that someone is talking...

[I thought so.]

34. Malloy only put..

asskissers on the air. He was afraid to argue.

[ElectroPrincess]

46. No Way, Randi is #1 ...

Randi's an AF veteran with the background to tell it straight.
She's the perfect balance between entertainment and rant.

People want to call her because she's engaging and not a suck up.
She's the best liberal talk radio host today. :-)

On edit: spelling correction and to show more respect for Malloy ... albeit he wasn't my "cup of tea." <curtsy and exit>

[doni_georgia]

14. She just suggested MIHOP!

She just gave a little lesson to that last caller - Go Randi!

[nomatrix]

16. It's 140 degrees in Iraq during the summer

http://www.theolympian.com/home/specialsections/War/20030817/77723.shtml

Sometimes it's hotter. Imagine wearing a uniform, helmet, body armor (if you're lucky) carrying a gun, in the streets with tempers rising.
Over extended tours, families going broke at home, while you are stuck in this hellhole for who knows how long.

That honest. No Tinfoil.

Imagine you are in Iraq.

You would be very proud that someone ANYONE is shouting, loud and clear, how each fail-safe measure designed to protect us....failed us. All of this put you there. None of the reasons for your deployment has been proven. And you are in HELL. There is no way out, unless someone takes on the fight to bring you home.

What was your question again?

[Malva Zebrina]

18. Randi is brilliant

and is willing to take on the topic armed with facts, which is something I cannot say for others on AA, like the wishy washy Franken.

She knows what she is talking about.

[TexasBushwhacker]

38. I think she was especially passionate today .....

because she was in the Air Force and she knows how these things are supposed to be handled and she KNOWS somebody fucked up. I thought it was great that she reminded people about the Payne Stewart case where his Learjet went off course, apparently after the cabin lost pressure. It quickly intercepted by USAF pilots and followed it until it ran out of fuel and crashed in an unpopulated area of South Dakota.

[MoonRiver]

19. I don't understand why the military is denying it shot down 93 if it did.

WHY???

[Must_B_Free]

20. It may have been a quick poor decision

and now they can't change the story wihtout showing lies. Remember the whole "Let's Roll" story that was spawned from all of this?

One you tell a lie, you can't change it.

[MoonRiver]

21. I don't know what's scarier,

the incompetence or criminality of this adm.

[progressivebydesign]

40. If it happened, that is was shot down..

imagine the further trauma of America. Imagine Bush's corporate airline friends trying to get anyone to fly on their planes. It's one thing to have the plane hijacked and flown, horrifically, into buildings.. it's another to learn that the passengers were about to overtake the hijackers, heroically, only to be shot down out of the sky. The damage to Bush and the collective US psyche would have been too great. Shooting down that plane would have been a major decision.. the reprecussions of our military killing our own civilians would have to be weighed in. The fact that Cheney was certain that two planes had already been shot down, really gives me pause... I have never believed the plane just crashed, as the wreckage was just too far spread. I'm certain there were witnesses that heard/seen things before the crash.

[mountainvue]

43. Because

"Let's Roll" is a great battle cry for Bushco.

[kaitykaity]

22. His claim is logical but unprovable

unless somebody has a video or something, or an order, or
a tape or something. You know, some evidence?

She cuts off a tinfoiler, and SHE's the tinfoiler?

Now THAT's logical.

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[kaitykaity]

24. This is totally uncalled for and contributes nothing

to this particular discussion.

Too bad, I might have been able to say that this was
the FIRST TIME EVER that I had agreed with you about
anything.

[KittyWampus]

25. There Is NO QUESTION The Military Was Notified

It is standard operating procedure.

To suggest that not once, not twice, not three times, but FOUR times the Air Traffic Controllers NEGLECTED to call the military when that is what their training REQUIRES them to do is impossible.

And the tapes that would PROVE whether the air traffic controllers called the military were destroyed.

Those tapes were cut up into little pieces and distributed into garbage cans throughout the building.

Why weren't the air traffic controllers asked to testify under oath and give lie detector tests?

Why weren't the military commanders who WOULD have recieved the calls from the air traffic controllers asked to testify under oath and then given lie detector tests?

[Must_B_Free]

27. I agree with you in spirit

but my point has to do with talking to the unconvinced.

If you try to "prove" things with innuendo and supposition, you can't win.

So I am in firm agreement with Randi in a sense, but I am trying to point out it is dangerous to make assertions that you can't really support. It seems like Randi is speaking out a tad bit early on this stuff. Come prepared and do the reading BEFORE you do the show - this is the type of strategy we should be relying on, not just speaking out and then reading something else while you are on the air.

[KittyWampus]

28. Thanks, You Made A Very Valid Point

thanks for responding :)

[bhunt70]

29. was 93 the one that hit the pentagon?

if so I have friends that work in my building that were looking out the window when it hit. It wasn't shot down.

[GreenPartyVoter]

30. No, the one that went down in PA.

[bhunt70]

31. yeah, thanks I just looked it up too . my bad.

[merh]

32. What program are you listening to?

Her last caller was a NY fire fighter who was trapped in the WTC and who lost his son at the WTC on 9/11. He called to thank her for speaking out and for trying to get the truth out. He told her how proud he was of her efforts to get the truth out.

Yes, she was ranting and maybe she spoke without all the facts, but reading the transcript of today's hearing, I can understand her outrage.

[LittleApple81]

33. Exactly my feelings. The 9/11 commission was not trying to

find out the truth. It is left to us to do it. And Randi is trying her best. I bet she covered more VALID information in her program than the commission in all the time they have dedicated to this having access to "official" documents.

[Must_B_Free]

36. As I watched a bit this morning I felt whitewash

But what I wondered was - what happened to Kristin Breitweiser and the other 9-11 widows?

Do they agree with the findings of the comission?

Where is their voice anymore?

[kimchi]

37. That "assertion" was on Fox News today.

It came on right after Judge Judy, and I watched for a few minutes to see if they ever told the truth. I believe that information came from the 911 commission.

[mountainvue]

42. She later

said it could have been shot down.

[Wapsie B]

45. Why wouldn't they contact the military?

Any reasonable person would conclude that they did. The Payne Stewart example sold me on the fact that something stinks to high heaven about all this.