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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 05:00 PM
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You say you want a Revolu---wait....Civil Disobedience maybe
is a revolution, bloodless or otherwise, too much for you to wrap your head around? what about more civil disobedience and marches?

suggestion: surrounding recruiting stations when they start the draft as a symbolic protest against the war.

blocking entrance into government buildings. blocking traffic at designated hours with permits. massive demonstrations like the ones before this insane war.
disruptions of speeches and conference dealing with war and war pigs.
refusal to be drafted, or to have your sons and daughters drafted. boycotts, mass call ins, fundraisers, block parties for peace, local demonstrations coordinated with national ones. reaching out to the world to show them we are not bush. prayer. hell raising. concerts. festivals.

civil disobedience. show them that it is we the people who say what goes on here, not maniacs who would lead us into hell. fuck them, it's time for revolution, overnight or slow motion, because they arent' going to just give it up this fall. you know it's true
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Political_Junkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 05:02 PM
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1. I'm with ya, Mopaul.
This has gotten too crazy!
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 05:04 PM
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3. Here is an admonition
against revolution. The only revolution in history that didn't turn into a bloody mess with things as bad or worse than the people had was the American revolution.
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Donating Member ( posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 05:06 PM
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4. Well we are in America
hmmmmm.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 05:18 PM
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6. Exactly, violent revolution rarely works
A few of the public jerks get eliminated, but the guys who wield the real power, the hidden power brokers, just change uniforms and become part of the new order. In the meantime, violent revolutions are messy, wasteful of resources, and horribly uncomfortable for the survivors.

Nonviolence is the only way to go. Civil disobedience is a large part of this, and occurs when the civil contract is cancelled by the power elite. It's not when civil disobedience happens that change occurs, but when the power structure overreacts to it and deals with it a violent matter. Every time they use violence or other heavy handed suppression techniques, they lose more support, until they are gone completely.

Expect to see a lot of civil disobedience if Bush cheats his way back into office.
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 07:40 PM
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15. Read a history book.
There have been a few in the last 25 years ...


Poland and the USSR come to mind immediately.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 05:04 PM
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2. I wonder how many people
we could get to go on a hunger strike?
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 05:08 PM
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5. Instead of a hunger strike, how about a buy nothing for a week strike?
Those of us that can afford it help others to get through. What a powerful statement that could make. I'm always told though that is why it can not and will not work. Too many of the haves will not support the have nots at this point in the game. More, many more of the haves, have to suffer first, then and only then will there be a time for change and that may well be too late.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 05:19 PM
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7. large scale national work strikes also come to mind.
Just a one day strike would get the point across, although it would probably have to be repeated many times to penetrate the cement in Bush's skull.
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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 05:34 PM
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11. Americans don't have the balls to stage a one day nationwide strike
The Europeans do it all the time, but the right wing business interests in this country have everybody believing that they'll be fired if they do anything out of line. Now shut up and go back to work.
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 07:21 PM
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12. One day is not enough, and that comes from a friend I have known for
10+ years, and he and his family fled to this country from Afghanistan in the late '70's, before the war with Russia started. As a matter of fact one of his brother's is there in country now doing something with the US Gov't, of which he can not speak of.
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redwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 05:20 PM
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8. that would hurt lots of small business owners
and their families, employees, the small companies they buy from and me and my family (sales rep). Yikes!
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 07:22 PM
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13. Are we not already all hurting now? How much more do you want to
hurt?
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 05:27 PM
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9. A speech by Harry Belafonte was on Democracy Now yesterday
Here's a relevant excerpt. The entire speech is well worth listening too, or at least reading the transcript.


(snip)

I believe that we may march and we may show our numbers in great volume from time to time. We do that. Women marching on Washington in large numbers. Peace activists turning out occasionally to demonstrate their passions of peace. These things go on and we see them. But what we don't seem to understand is that we have not yet, in some profound and meaningful way, interrupted the way in which the enemy does business. early on, I was introduced to a song in my youth and I was aspiring to find my place in the world as an artist. I remember a song that said calculate carefully and ponder it well and remember this when you do, "My two hands are mine to sell a major machine and they can stop them, too." It is -- it is the stopping of the machine that we seem to falter. For some reason we have not understood clearly what the blueprint was when we recall and think about what happened in the Civil Rights Movement and the Labor Movement and the Women's Movement in its early manifestations. The one thing that all those movements had in common was that they stopped the machine. And until we stop the machine, and in the way in which they -- they hungryly pursue profit, until we tell them you will not turn another moment of profit until you deal with our spiritual bankruptcy as a nation , until you find a new codes of honor in which to deal with the world, we will not tolerate any longer your banks, your institutions, we'll no longer tolerate your military interventions and your military impositions. and we are ready to put our bodies and our lives on the line to do that. It was Rosa Parks and what happened in Montgomery, Alabama, and the fact that people picketted and refused to let the machine, the profit punks easily. That we found our earliest victories and as we escalated our movement and we escalated our targets, we found more and more those who sat in the places of power troubled by the fact that we had the power to disrupt their machines and to stop them. And I think what we must do, as we pursue institutionnally an organization, we have goals that we have set for ourselves, is for us to collectively picket that time and that moment when not for a day, not for a moment, not for a march just to demonstrate that we exist, but to use our might and our powers strategically to make sure that nothing functions, nothing runs, nothing works until we find a way to end poverty and we find a way to end racism, until we come to the table and agree to do that.

(snip)

How do we stop their machine? And there are times when we would speak about doing it violently. It was romantic to think that we could grab an M5 or M6 as we go up in the mountains somewhere and have a shoot-out and make our mark and to have the freedom. There was a time, perhaps, when that could be done. Certainly in Africa, the periods and the struggle against colonialism. All the up risings and the rebellions in Algeria and Vietnam and all those places were about. Soldiers and men and women taking to the streets and the villages of mountains, hamlets, abusing weaponry, the violence to meet violence. So now we come to know that that's not possible. It doesn't work. Certainly a gift that has been given us demonstrates for us that we have the most powerful weapon of all -- and it's at our disposal and it's ours for the taking. It's called NONVIOLENCE.

(snip)

I have to tell you that most of the places that I go to in the world are looking more like San Francisco and the Bay Area every day. (note: He was speaking in San Francisco) They are people -- in Germany, in France, in Ireland -- England and Ireland and Poland, many places where I go whose voices are being heard mightily in their rebellion against the American Policy. Because the policies of oppression are speaking out and speaking out loudly. They're transforming their government. They're changing their leaders in Spain and where Brazil and Argentina and Nicaragua, in Venezuela, in many places and we must and can do the same here. We must just understand that the sacrifice we have yet to make is demanded of us. Somebody is going to have to, in cleaning up the air, talk about not driving anymore. Somebody, in trying to get a better price for good, is going to have to say that we just can't keep running after the fast food market. Somebody is going to have to make a sacrifice. Somebody is going to have to put their body in front of the machine. Somebody is going to have to die. It's the way things are. It's the way things have been. And we, in our efforts to try to change and make a better world, will have to pay a price. Truth is -- we must ask ourselves, are we willing to go all the way? Ask yourself if you are truly willing to die for what you believe and you might come up with an answer that will explain to you why we haven't quite moved as far ahead as we should be moving. What are we prepared to give? What are we prepared to do? And should it be any less than those who have gone before us and who are willing to pay the price?

(more)

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/06/15/1410245
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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 05:32 PM
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10. I vote revolution
Civil disobedience usually just gets you tossed in jail. What a waste of a good revolutionary.
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name not needed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 07:33 PM
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14. Revolution, civil disobedience, whatever
As long as I get my country back. And maybe do a little looting.
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 07:43 PM
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16. The "revolution" is evolution: a peaceful solution.
It has already begun ...
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