Wayne Madsen email says Plamegate impending indictments "buzz" in DC

[lancdem]

I've been communicating with Mr. Madsen via email since Tuesday (he's the investigative reporter who supplied info to Michael Ruppert of http://www.fromthewilderness.com) about Plame indictments. Today, I asked him what he thought Josh Marshall was referring to as his big story.

Here's what he wrote:

"I think it is the impending indictments -- that is the buzz around DC these days."

Maybe that's why Kerry is keeping a bit of a low profile.

[jackstraw45]

1. Has "Scooter" fled to Cheney's undisclosed location?

My guess is it only gets as high as Libby.

Cheney would be lawyered up "big time" and out of the spotlight if he was due to be indicted.

[lancdem]

3. Cheney has hired a lawyer, just like Bush

he may be named an unindicted co-conspirator.

[Timefortruth]

47. or obstruction of justice.

Good God,it would be hard to find someone over there who isn't guilty of that.

[senseandsensibility]

2. Has he mentioned

when these indictments might occur or who will be named in them?

[lancdem]

5. He believes they will be within a week or week and a half

He has several sources in the CIA and DOJ as well as a "well-known Washington pundit."

Here's what he wrote Tuesday:
"My take is that the targets for indictments are Scooter Libby, John Hannah, David Wurmser (all in Cheney's office); Elliott Abrams (NSC staff), and Karl Rove (Exec Office of POTUS). Cheney and Bush may be named as unindicted co-conspirators."

[Nevernose]

12. Wouldn't be the first time Elliott Abrams was indicted, would it?

Wouldn't be the first time Elliott Abrams was indicted, would it? Any of those others veterans of Iran/Contra?

[lancdem]

14. I don't think so

[carpetbagger]

32. And it wouldn't be the first time he'll get a pardon.

Like father, like son.

[MallRat]

23. Cheney & Bush, unindicted co-conspirators = GAME OVER.

It's all over, folks, if Bush and Cheney are named.

I said this before. If this really happens, then when Mr. or Ms. Undecided Voter walks into the voting booth, in their minds, the ballot would look something like this:

Candidates for President (Choose ONE)
===========================
O John F. Kerry (D)

O Ralph Nader (I) (of course, assuming that he gets on the ballot...)

O George W. UNINDICTED CO-CONSPIRATOR Bush (R)
===========================

Who would YOU vote for?

[Walt Starr]

27. Hopefully it will be next Friday morning

to pre-empt Bushie crappola over the weekend.

[hang a left]

35. oooh, just thought of the USSC decisions also that will

probably be coming next week also.

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

30. Holy shit...

Rove?

I was hoping for Scooter Libby, but man, if Rove is indicted, this would be a big story.

[Swamp Rat]

46. Yes, Rove

Like you, I wish Scooter Libby would get what's coming to him (and I believe he will), but Rove would be even better. He's one of the main, evil masterminds behind the curtian. If he's indicted the house of cards will come tumbling down.

[robertpaulsen]

45. What could the punishment for an "unindicted co-conspirator" be?

Yes, impeachment or impeachment proceedings leading to a resignation would be a wonderful step in the right direction of this country. But I want to see these squatters sent to an ass-pounding penal colony. If it can be proven that they were part of the conspiracy, is it possible that they (Bush, Cheney) could be imprisoned?

[calimary]

49. Well, well, well, Elliott Abrams is an old hand at this.

Back into familiar territory for him. Fuckers ALL. And kkkarl rove, too? (On my KNEES, praying right now!!!)

The only confusion is - we actually have at least a couple of investigations where indictments could be coming down. The Plame Game and Torturegate.

Geez. I just realized - imagine sitting here, talking politics, and kicking around the question about who's going to be indicted from which scandal? I'll bet some of the same people will be facing indictments in several cases. One from Column A and one from Column B.

[molly]

4. There may be additional indictable offenses?

can someone list them?

[lancdem]

6. Via Mr. Madsen

if there has been lying and concealment, perjury and obstruction can be added to the charges.

[molly]

10. Well, now that would be special wouldn't it?

describes about everything this mis-administration has done.

[Mountainman]

13. Sounds like Watergate all over again.

Man if this plays out like Watergate did in the public debate we will really be split down the middle. I got into some really heated shouting matches with Republicans.

I remember so many Nixon supporters who were just like the freeper Bush supporters are now. No matter what evidence was presented they buried their heads in the sand and would not face facts.

After Nixon resigned they said they never supported him.

[shimmergal]

38. Some of them said, afterwards, "they (politicians) all do it,

or worse.

[Wapsie B]

42. The favorite catch-phrase of the repugs

after Watergate was "Well, he was the only one caught." Heard it a million times.

[Beetwasher]

7. This Would Explain the Pre-emptive Full Court Press of the Big Lies

We've been seeing this week...

[KoKo]

20. The Press of Big lies seems to have been going on since just after the

prison photo's! It's so awful I keep it all off. Can't even stand to read the NYT's or WaPo!

Worst I've ever seen...ever. Lockdown and Lies. We better hope something big is coming because otherwise it's Fascist "Mainstream" Media from now on. :-(

[hang a left]

34. You wanna know something?

i have stayed away from DU for over 3 weeks because of all the propoganda and lies. I just can't take it anymore. It is all so very depressing and disturbing. It messes with my head big time......but......been lurking last couple of days.

[in_cog_ni_to]

8. WHO will be indicted do you think?

The Chimp and his sidekick? We should be so lucky. KKKRove?...Scooter Libby? Who?

[GreenPartyVoter]

9. Hmm. At least there's a buzz about it.

Shows it is still alive and kicking.

[Merlin]

11. So if Cheyney is UCC, what are the odds he bows out.

I've been predicting for 3 years now that Cheyney will NOT be the Republican VP nominee in '04. He is the perfect guy to wrap all the bad things about the 1st Shrub term into and jettison so the Murikan peeple will feel there's a clean slate and re-elect he junta.

I feel even more strongly now, obviously. My only question is: Powell or Ridge. My bet is on Powell. In which case, good God almighty what a can of worms will be opened!

[Jane Austin]

16. Maybe this is why McCain is campaignming with Bush this week.

n/t

[juajen]

17. Yeah,I'm thinking McCain will be VP candidate

N/T

[The empressof all]

19. McCain/Powell ticket

The republicans may drop Bush, if this is true.

Could be a McCain/Powell ticket

[Walt Starr]

22. I'm thinking he'll be the Veep candidate

with Rudy Guiliani at the top of the ticket.

Bush will be stepping aside because he will be connected directly to the Plame affair.

[Dems Will Win]

25. I agree with Walt, it will be Giuliani/McCain or Giuliani/Shelby

They can't indict the Pres or VP, so unindicted co-conspirator is how the prosecutor has to bring it to the House for impeachment to begin.

Nixon took 6 weeks from the Smoking Gun tape to impeachment and resignation before trial in the Senate. BARRY GOLDWATER TOLD HIM HE HAD TO GO!

This would be shorter, given the Cable News Echo Chamber of today, maybe 3 weeks.

They will definitely do this as the Intelligence Identity Protection law requires hard time.

They will try to avoid any trial in the Senate or drawn-out attention because of this and so Rudy can give them all pardons after the election. If it goes to trial and all, it will be much harder for President Giuliani to pardon them.

Cheney resigns first and Rudy is appointed VP, then Bush goes a few weeks later. Rudy then appoints whoever as VP and both accept the nomination for the Repubs. The media goes into overtime to coverup the scandal and elect Giuliani and Kerry suddenly has a real fight on his hands, instead of a pre-defeated Bush and Cheney.

If Rudy picks McCain, we probably lose but both are pro-choice so no way.

The other big surprise would be a Powell/McCain ticket as it is Powell who is leading the CIA and State to overthrow the neo-cons! He may just tell Alma he has to do it!

That would be bad for Kerry...

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

31. That would make more sense than Giuliani.

Giuliani is seen as a RINO and too "liberal" for the GOP rank and file, while McCain is more of a real conservative (tho still not liked by the hard right due to his support of CFR).

[loyalsister]

29. Can of worms indeed

Both are pro-choice. Homophobic agenda or not, the RR would feel abandoned. Don't forget, they got Reagan elected and that's how Bush got close. No way will there be a pro choice candidate on this ticket.

[TruthIsAll]

41. Merlin, with all due respect, Bush was selected, not elected.

So Bush can never be reelected.

[graham67]

15. If the above mentioned are indicted....

Will they be arrested in a public way? Will Joe Wilson actually get to see the frog-march out of the White House?

[scared]

18. That really doesn't make sense,,,,,,,,,,,

In his post, Josh Marshall says that he has been investigating along with some other people. Why would they be investigating the Plame case? Someone else is, and if they hare handing out indictments over this, what would that have to do with anything Jose Marshall is investigating? No, I think is is something else.

[KoKo]

21. Some folks thought Josh had something about DeLay. Sex!

rather than Plame. :shrug:

[SpiralHawk]

26. Sex Delay? Oh no, not that.

First we have 9/11delay, where the commander in chief* demonstrates that he is "Totally Clueless." - tm (GWB)

And now the Republicans are possibly bringing America a Sex Delay? Outrageous! I plan to engage in "Immediate Sexual Congress (ISG)" to protest this.

[Kool Kitty]

40. Oh my God. Please don't mention

sex and DeLay in the same sentence. Just the thought of it makes me :puke:

[Ganja Ninja]

24. Just a guess but maybe Josh is talking about the child rapes ...

in Iraq.

[Elidor]

36. I wondered about that, but no

He said that he had refrained from passing along "delicious tidbits" about the story. There are no delicious tidbits involved in any story of child rape.

[Beam Me Up]

28. kick n/t

[peacetalksforall]

33. Kerry should hold out as long as possible before choosing a VP.

[lancdem]

37. It's funny you should say that

I was wondering if that's why he's not really super active now, because he knows something's coming.

[newsguyatl]

39. EVERYBODY in washington

seems to know there's something big comin'.

i've been hearing it's going to explode for well over a month now.



i sense it's soon.

[Beam Me Up]

43. "i sense it's soon" me too fireworks by july 4

[warrior1]

44. this date

is close to if not on the same date us gives over power to the Iraqi's?

[Cush]

48. lets hope so

and that its bad news for the Bushies