How many of you think the Paul Johnson situation is only a smoke-screen

[playahata1]

for any and all forthcoming indictments (Valerie Plame, Haliburton, etc.) -- and new revelations -- against Bushco?

I DO! THIS IS NOTHING BUT FUCKING PROPAGANDA

[Lucky Luciano]

1. I doubt it - it does not help b*sh enough to do this.

At best, it helps b*sh for a week as people feel emotional about this - then they will get over it. If they needed smokescreens, then they could fabricate finding WMDs...If they could pull that off, then b*sh would stand to benefit.

[Hoping4Change]

9. I too want to doubt it's a smokescreen but the timing is just SO

convenient that having suspicions is not off-the-wall. The week that the 9/11 hearings ended as was planned there just happens to a horrible beheading.

This administration has stopped at nothing. If it's willing to bankrupt the treasury, risk soldiers lives, and risk a major armed conflagration in the mid-east, what's one head?

[pocket]

2. so what do you think really happened?

[playahata1]

4. Are you trying to bait me?

Or is this a legitimate question?

[pocket]

6. it's a legitmate question

if I fill in the blanks myself then I would be putting words in your mouth.

[DrWeird]

3. The propaganda part...

is all the nazi motherfuckers saying this is some how worse than what happened in Abu Ghraib.

Fucking savages.

[qazplm]

7. well, ummm, it is

or at least, it's as bad...I dont think a discussion of degrees is really helpful though...torture is bad and should not be condoned, beheading an innocent guy who's family is pleading with you not to is bad and should not be condoned.

I dont think having a strong reaction to one means you cant have a strong reaction to the other.

I also dont see how this is somehow "faked" by the US as a poster above seems to imply.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. Lobbing Someone's Head Off Is Worse Than Torturing Somebody

but the logic of comparing the two for this excercise escapes me...


I was embarassed by the behavior of our troops but these beheadings are sad beyond words...

They had the victim's widow on tv prior to the beheading begging for his life...


She was Thai... She doesn't speak much English or Arabic... She said she would be lost without her husband...

I almost cried....

Peace


Brian

[DrWeird]

22. Is it worse that torturing somebody to death?

Have you forgotten that the torture in Abu Ghraib resulted in at least 23 deaths? Or is that OK because they're a bunch of muslims?

[Lucky Luciano]

14. Well this single instance is worse than our single instances

to my knowledge anyway. What I truly cannot stand are the assholes that say - "Hey Saddam did much worse things in Abu Ghraib!" I don't know where they then get the logical connection that what we did then is somehow ok if Saddam was worse....wonders never cease.

When I think of Abu Ghraib, I sometimes think about a certain ardently pro-war cartoon, that is way off base, but still cracks me up a little.

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v297/luckyluciano/funnytoon.bmp

When I look at this cartoon, I start to say to myself, "Hmmm...What if we did hold them in detention, but treated them really well with comfortable places to sleep, good food, and TV?" Maybe they would think we were a bit more sincere and provide the info we were asking for since I believe the "insurgents" tend to be more nationalistic than Psychotic Al Qaeda "Terroristic" (although, of course we should never have been there in the first place)...just a weird thought.

[DrWeird]

24. So you're saying killing an American is worse than killing an Iraqi?

Because Iraqis were murdered at Abu Ghraib. So I'm curious as to why you think this is worse.

[Lucky Luciano]

25. No, but gratuitious almost pornographic images/videos

of sawing peoples head off with the specific intent to terrify qualifies as worse IMO.

[gasperc]

5. Saudia Arabia is an F'ed up place

good thing we get only about half of our energy needs from it

[StopThief]

8. You're right. Paul Johnson is probably sitting in Tahiti. . . .

drinking a Mai Tai.

:eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes:

[supernova]

10. No, the people who did the beheading

have their own agenda far removed from any machinations of * and Rove.

[Cat Atomic]

11. No. This is the fallout of Bush's asinine foreign policy.

And it's not much of a distraction. More like proof that the President is a fool.

[playahata1]

12. Look, I believe that Paul Johnson is indeed dead,

but he did not die in the manner in which our beloved government wants us to believe. I do not believe a thing these people and their journalistic enablers tell me.

With the 9-11 report, forthcoming indictments, the release of "F-911" and "The Hunting of the President," it is too much of a coincidence that this has come out today.

[StopThief]

15. Exactly!!! His captors said they were. . . . .

going to kill him in 72 hours ONLY three days ago. It's just too freaky that they would decide to kill him today.

[qazplm]

18. ummmm

ok, my math could be off, but 72 hours is three days isnt it?

[Lucky Luciano]

21. I thought he was being a touch sarcastic. n/t

[0007]

23. What no video? The Berg beheading was a farce if I ever

saw one.

[GreenArrow]

16. what's that smell?

[Minstrel Boy]

17. Anything could be true.

We don't know yet.

Not everything is a hoax event. We ought to appreciate that there are some people in the world who simply want to behead Americans, and they harbour no hidden agenda. In fact, this is why hoaxes like the Nick Berg video arise, and fool so many.

One thing I do know: whoever did it is at least an unwitting asset of the White House.

[RummyTheDummy]

19. Ummm I just saw pictures with a man's head sitting on his BACK

I'm pretty sure it was real and unfortunately NOT propaganda. The guy is deader than Napoleon.

[RBHam]

20. All part and parcel of the New World Order's Age Of Terror...

Problem, reaction, solution...