Fake numbers of terrorist attacks. Are the job numbers fake, too?

[Eric J in MN]

After the Bush terrorism report for 2003 was independently analyzed, it was discovered to be full or errors. While the Bush Administration claimed it had proof terrorist attacks were going down, actually they're at the highest level in decades.

The job numbers shouldn't be trusted, either.

An economics professsor should try to independently verify them.

If you know an economics professor, or know someone who knows an econmics professor, please try to get the professor to examine the jobs numbers.

An issue with the job numbers the Labor Dept. admits is "problematic" is the "CES Net Birth/Death Model."

For more, read my article at:
http://www.moveleft.com/moveleft_essay_2004_06_07_fake_job_numbers_from_the_bush_administration.asp

[leftofthedial]

1. yes, they are fake

our local economists will justify them by explaining how they are counted, but they are designed not to count millions of unemployed and are largely based on statistical estimates of how many jobs must have been created because so many were lost last month and the month before that and the month before that and the month before that . . .

The bushgang have politicized EVERYTHING.

Job numbers are a s phony as Orwell's "chocolate rations."

[lovedems]

2. I saw an article from the New York Post that insinuated that

Bush's Labor Dept. were brazen with their job figures. I will see if I can find it.

[Eric J in MN]

4. Near the end of my article, I link to the NY Post article.

The NY Post article is at:

http://www.nypost.com/business/23936.htm

[lovedems]

6. Thank you.

I don't know why we keep hearing about "job growth" and why they insist unemployment numbers are going down.

Both are lies.

[Eric J in MN]

10. You're welcome. If you have any way of directly or indirectly

You're welcome.

If you have any way of directly or indirectly contacting an economics professor to ask him or her to examine the job numbers for errors, etc., please do.

[camby]

3. Try reading Paul Krugman's

column. He is a professor of economics, and in his column he has been criticizing this administration for years on their habit of publishing false numbers, then subsequently retracting them with a little "oops". Of course, the first set of false numbers is what gets the headlines, generally. The retraction gets a little one paragraph article in small print in section B of the paper. Or if they don't actually lie about the numbers, they seriously distort them - as in characterizing McDonald's fry-cooks as "manufacturing" workers.

[Eric J in MN]

7. I often read Paul Krugman, but I've never seen him

I often read Paul Krugman, but I've never seen him discuss the Labor Dept. job numbers.

[camby]

9. Yeah, he has, but I'd have to go digging in the archives

[Eric J in MN]

11. I found a Paul Krugman article on jobs, but

I found a Paul Krugman article on jobs, but it doesn't discuss the "CES Net Birth/Death Model," which the Labor Dept. admits is the most "problematic" part of the calculation.

http://pkarchive.org/column/021004.html

[kentuck]

5. Now wouold they lie about job numbers ??

You're damn straight they would !

[Eric J in MN]

8. If you know an econmics professor, or know someone who

If you know an econmics professor, or know someone who knows an economics professor,

please try to get those job numbers examined for constency.

Did the Labor Dept. really run the numbers the exact same way for January 2004, when it showed things mediocre, as for April 2004, when it showed that things are wonderful?

[camby]

12. try this link

<http://www.moveleft.com/moveleft_essay_2004_06_07_fake_job_numbers_from_the_bush_administration.asp>
Sorry, I looked for a Krugman article, but unfortunately his archives are not readily available w/o paying a price. This article is not from an economics professor, but it does go into a lot of detail about how the government arrives at its statistics, and it does leave a lot of wiggle room. Hope the link works - if it doesn't, you can just type it into your browser.

[Eric J in MN]

13. Camby - I wrote that article.

Camby - I wrote that article.

I'd like an economics professor to actually try to run the Labor Dept. numbers and see if there are errors or fudging.

[camby]

14. Ha ha! Shame on me!

But it was a good article.

[tom_paine]

15. Were the 1978 Soviet Toilet Paper Production figures phony?

Absolutely.

In my answer you'll find yours.