My final theory about the Josh Marshall story

[fizzana]

It's the origin of the forged Niger/Uranium papers. I recall Josh Marshall mentioning some time ago that this was being investigated but no-one has mentioned anything about that since then.

I recall Sy Hersh writing that he suspected some pissed-off ex CIA agents had created the forged documents to embarrass the Bush administration.

I never fully believed that and always had the nagging suspicion that the papers were created by people in the administration, most likely in Cheney's office.

Mark my words - this is the story and if JM and others can prove it, "tectonic" is an understatement.

[radfringe]

1. it had been mentioned that the papers were forged

and it was blamed on italian sources

tighting down my :tinfoilhat: : so if these papers were originally forged by pissed-off ex CIA agents and if the italian connection is true -- does this mean the ex CIA agents gave them to the italians, who in turn gave them back to unsuspecting US intelligence agents?

:nuke: I think my :tinfoilhat: just exploded.....

[punpirate]

2. As a hypothesis, these days...

... it's not so far-fetched. There was a single source article (and the story promptly died) that the claim that Iraq could have WMDs deployed in 45-minutes came from the US, even though the administration said in Sept. 2002 that the information came from British intelligence.

If one thinks about the time frame of that story, in the context of what is now known about Allawi (that he was the source for that completely false allegation), and then think back on when Allawi divorced himself from MI6 and began to work for the CIA, then it becomes obvious that Allawi was a CIA asset well before the 45-minute charge became public.

So, from whence did the information come? The UK, or the US?

[Jose Diablo]

3. Could the forged "yellowcake" document

have originated in the energy task force meeting in February 01?

Is this the classified information that Cheney is trying to keep hidden and is before the SCOTUS now?

If the Cheney energy committee forged the document, then this means the administration had plans for Iraq's oil long before 911. The war in Iraq would have never been allowed, even with the forged "yellowcake" document, unless the "Pearl Harbor" event occurred.

Conspiracy to commit treason is more than just an impeachable offense, it can mean death.

Edit:clairity

[ozymandius]

4. Isn't the SCOTUS supposed to rule on the Cheney energy papers?

That case has been argued. These rulings tend to emerge during the Spring/Summer recess.

If the SCOTUS rules that the Cheney Energy Task Force reveal its collaborators and documents to the fact then this would be a tectonic shift in the Washington power structure.

[Just Me]

7. A ruling from SCOTUS is due this month. n/t

[newsguyatl]

6. well that, and

the fact that cheney and his energy pals were dividing up oil fields in iraq back in 01 at that meeting... i think that's pretty good proof, too.


i would have taken scalia on a fishing trip, too, if i were dick.

[wellstone_democrat]

8. Bingo! You hit the one death penalty "yes" position I have

being the agent of thousands of deaths does it for me. Hang the bastards (all of them) if this is ever the scenario that lead to that document which started a war where thousands of innocents are dead or maimed.

For those who like their "treason" to be distinctly "American" in origin AND in casualties: nearly 1000 dead Americans should do it for you.

Seriously, in the case of falsifying information with the intent to create a war---hang the bastards. Hang them publicly.

[johnfunk]

5. Or it could be THIS!!

Cheney in firing line over Nigerian bribery claims

Antony Barnett and Martin Bright
Sunday June 20, 2004
The Observer

A British lawyer is emerging as a key witness in a $180 million bribery investigation that could lead to the indictment of US vice president Dick Cheney.

Last week, US oil corporation Halliburton cut all ties with a former senior executive, Albert Stanley, after it emerged he had received as much as $5m in 'improper personal benefits' as part of a $4bn gas project in Nigeria. Halliburton also sacked a second 'consultant', William Chaudan in connection with the bribery allegations. At the time of these alleged payments, Cheney was chief executive of the corporation.

[bushwakker]

10. Interesting that the uranium docs were forged in Nigeria

always wondered if there was some connection?

[nostamj]

12. Niger and Nigeria are separate countries

neighboring, but distinct.

[merh]

15. Yeah, I figure it was the combination of the U.S. indictments and the

French indictments. They have been after Cheney for quite some time and the "freedom fries" and boycots wasn't going to stop their investigation, despite what the world according to Bushco thinks.

[bushwakker]

9. I've always wondered if the Hallyburton Niger scandal

was somehow related to the doc forgeries in Nigeria? Just askin'.

[grasswire]

11. and where is Josh, anyway?

Maybe he's not relaxing. Maybe he's doing some footwork.

[TrustingDog]

13. so who ISN'T in a jam...

cheney
rumsfeld
ashcroft
bush
bushBud Lay

am I missing some - must be tons more? These guys must be having some sleepless nights lately...

Hang on tight, I can smell 'red alert' coming up realllll soon. There will be an attack on the US mainland putting wtc at a distant second in death and mayhem - the attack will be most likely be bio - blamed on Saudi Arabia - navy ships are already positioned - ka boom. Military state.

This can all happen in a matter of hours...

[Stephanie]

14. Nah, they all sleep fine

http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/texts/03110700.htm

Question: So do you use sleeping tablets to organize yourself?

Secretary Powell: Yes. Well, I wouldn't call them that. They're a wonderful medication -- not medication. How would you call it? They're called ambien, which is very good. You don't use ambien? Everybody here uses ambien.

[Beam Me Up]

16. Yes, this is my analysis, too.

This could get VERY MESSY VERY QUICKLY. There is a COVERT WAR going on right now within the halls of power of both US intelligence and military. The BUSH forces have the ability to MIHOP any number of scenarios which would immediately distract public attention from what is actually going on. Opposing forces know this and therefore have to act with extraordinary care, yet swiftly.

My :tinfoilhat: says WATCH OUT: The Bushistas may pull a stunt approximately 100 times that of 9/11 (think 300,000 dead). The outcome will be panic and martial law. This, however, will not get their asses out of the fire and might, in fact, set them up to be eliminated by the opposition. Think military couter-coup.

Yes, I'm paranoid, but I've been watching this situation for a long time.