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democraticinsurgent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 11:14 AM
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Mrs. Saddam Says Saddam Not Saddam
From PrisonPlanet.com:

There is little doubt that the International Red Cross really screwed the White House last week, when demanding that America release "prisoner-of-war Saddam" when "sovereignty is returned to Iraq at the end of June". The possibly catastrophic results of handing an imposer back to the Iraqi people, all of whom can tell the difference between President Saddam Hussein and one of his body doubles at close range, had American Administration officials wringing their hands in panic, while seeking a less-than-lethal compromise.

<snip>

Although just about anyone with eyes could tell that the knock-kneed man hiding in his custom-designed funk hole was not the real Sadda Hussein , the Americans got away with the false-flag public relations stunt until April of this year, when disaster approached in the formidable person of Sajida Heiralla Tuffah, Saddam's wife and the mother of his children.

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Well, you could have heard a pin drop all the way across Qatar. Sajida arrived from Syria with her official escort Sheikh Hamad Al-Tani, and then entered the prison, emerging only moments later pink with rage and shouting, "This is not my husband but his double. Where is my husband? Take me to my husband".

American officials rushed forward to shield Mrs Saddam from perplexed Russian observers, trying to insist that Saddam had changed a lot while in custody and she probably didn't recognise him. This was certainly not the best way to handle the Iraqi President's wife. "You think I do not know my husband?" Sajida shouted furiously, "I was married to the man for more than twenty-five years!" Then she stormed off, never to return.

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Anyone else hear anything on this? I have often wondered what happened to all the Saddam doubles. According to the article Pravda reported on this but apparently nothing in the US press.

http://www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/june2004/061804saddamnotsaddam.htm
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 11:17 AM
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1. Is it another joke on us?
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 11:20 AM
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2. In the movie "Dave" the president had doubles.
Hmmm, can you imagine being Bush's double? It would be hard to act that dumb.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 11:23 AM
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5. Only Doctor Jane Goodall would be able to tell.....................
If it was really Bush or Bonzo!
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 03:45 PM
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27. The lobotomy comes free with the role. (n/t)
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King Of Paperboys Donating Member (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 11:20 AM
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3. Consider the source...
PrisonPlanet is not exactly rational. Ask the Freemasons.

"Liberally oozing obsequiousness from every sweat gland in his corrupt body, al-Hassan continued,"

Hey... that ain't journalism. You wanna report, REPORT. You wanna write editorials, write editorials... and LABEL them as such. Otherwise, you got ZERO credibility.
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 11:41 AM
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12. this article is by Joe Vialls
hes a private investigator.
Interesting stuff you may want to read:

http://www.joevialls.co.uk/
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King Of Paperboys Donating Member (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 12:10 PM
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18. I don't care if he's the Queen of the May
If you're writing an opinion piece, you DON'T label it NEWS.

We need MORE credibility, not LESS.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 11:20 AM
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4. Now that would be funny!
That would cook Bush's rubber turkey!
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 11:23 AM
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6. Okay, we know they are liars, but this one is a whooper if true.
If this is true, how stupid can they be. It is way too easy to get caught on this.

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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 11:26 AM
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8. If they haven't done DNA testing by now they are really stupid!
And we all know they are stupid!
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Beaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 11:44 AM
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13. The FIRST thing they did was a DNA test-
http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/12/14/saddam_council031214

DNA tests confirm Saddam in custody: officials

MADRID - Iraq's Governing Council opened a news conference on Sunday by stressing that former Iraqi president Saddam Hussein is indeed in U.S. custody.

"We did see Saddam. We want to assure you that he is under arrest. There should be no doubt about this," said council member Adnan Pachaci. "This is a historical event."

Four members of the U.S.-appointed council visited and spoke to Saddam. "He seemed to be unrepentant and deeply tired," Pachaci said.

Some Iraqis were seen celebrating on the streets of Baghdad after hearing reports of Saddam's capture near his hometown of Tikrit. But reporters pointed out that others still didn't believe the report.

DNA tests have confirmed Saddam's identity, the council said...

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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 11:49 AM
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14. Well the DNA testing didn't work in the OJ Simpson case!
Do they have a glove?
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mike1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 02:47 PM
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26. They got DNA results on the same day he was 'captured'??
I'm not sure I believe that's possible...
:eyes:
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koopie57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 11:34 AM
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10. Saddest of all
is that we have so little faith in our government, we find ourselves wondering if this could be possible.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 12:06 PM
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15. You are so right. (n/t)
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katusha Donating Member (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 11:25 AM
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7. DNA evidence
would prove the imprisoned man's identity beyond a doubt.
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democraticinsurgent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 11:31 AM
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9. just throwing this out there
I should have clarified--I really don't know how credible Prison Planet is. The story is linked from Rense.com which seems all over the place to me (UFO's, chemtrails, etc.).

But given *'s track record I figure everything should be looked at a bit. DNA evidence would indeed be the thing. But then, who's doing the test? Who's reporting it? Who's checking? If it's another "in-house" job we may never really know the truth.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 11:37 AM
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11. It's painfully true that you can't take much stock in what the GOP-
ers tell you! Nothing would surprise me and I admit, that I have thought about that guy being Saddam's double before now! Bush lies about every time he opens his mouth and everyone in the world but the FReepers knows that!
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 12:07 PM
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16. And who does the testing??? Huummmm, maybe there is a link. (n/t)
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 12:08 PM
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17. This ain't gonna be another one of those "examine his pee pee" things...
....is it?
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wellstone_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 12:11 PM
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19. DNA would work ONLY if they had a comparison sample
from Hussein or a definite and very close relation.
Perhaps they did.

But, it is a sad, sad commentary on what this nation has become that many of us (myself included) have a nagging curiosity about the entire episode from capture to identification.

IF that is the JMM story then it would certainly shift "tectonic plates" in DC. :evilgrin: I still think that its related to WMD lies in some way.
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susu369 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 12:35 PM
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20. This will make my better half happy
He's declared from the get-go they did not have the real Saddam. We've had some lively conversations.

I thought he was wa-a-a-y wrong. Who knows.
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IkeWarnedUs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 01:47 PM
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21. Link to Pravda article
Saddam's wife could not recognize her husband -
By Maxim Pogodin Pravda Ru 04/13/2004 15:31

http://english.pravda.ru/printed.html?news_id=12494

<snip>

On the other hand however, those statements of Hussein's wife can in fact be quite understandable. After all, this is the easiest way to demoralize an enemy.

Hussein's younger daughter Hala has also arrived at the base in Qatar along with Saddam Hussein's two grandsons and two sisters, total of eight people. They were all invited by Shekh-s wife Muza to stay in one of the palaces. Eldest daughters Ragad and Rada along with five Hussein-s grandchildren have recently arrived to Doha from Jordan.

?Elaf¦ newspaper writes that, most likely, the entire Hussein's family will stay in Qatar permanently.

<snip>



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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 01:56 PM
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22. what's interesting
Edited on Sun Jun-20-04 01:56 PM by Magic Rat
Is that every solider in Iraq is equipped with a video camera on their helmet.

If that was really Saddam, there would be some video of him being captured.

But we haven't seen that video, have we?

Of course, I'm inclined to think that it is the real Saddam, since, well, it looks a HELL of a lot like him.

But what do I know? Personally, I'd like to see the video of his capture.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 02:11 PM
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23. There was video of his "capture"
If thats what you want to call it.I remember reading that a woman who's family Saddam killed turned him into the Kurds who then drugged him up dropped him in a hole and called us to come and get him. Kind of like the incredibly daring rescue of Jessica Lynch.. from a hospital that had been trying to give her back to us...
I hope it's not him. Can you imagine the hilarity of the spin the Admin would have to put on that one?
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 02:21 PM
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24. Why isn't everyone asking the obvious question?
Edited on Sun Jun-20-04 02:24 PM by TheWatcher
I could say we have a DNA test proving that it is the real Sadaam. So could you.

The question is simple. Who did the test, and has it been verified by an independent source to be genuine?

Otherwise these people can say and make up anything they want without having to provide any proof.

Who has seen the test? Who has verified it?

Where is the actual proof?

That is the problem with most people in this country.

They read something in a newspaper or see it on TV, and they take it at face value without seeing ANY PROOF WHATSOEVER.

Think about who you are dealing with here.

And then ask yourself whether we ned to see actual proof that backs up ANYTHING these people say.

And they COULD get away with something this absurd and get it over the public's head quite easily.

After all, if we are to believe a new Poll, 69% of Americans STILL believe there was a link between Sadaam and Al-Qaida.

We have no proof that verifies this story is not true, but then again we don't have any proof it ISN'T true.

Because most of the population ever bothers to ask for any.

The time for taking anything our government says on "faith" ended LONG ago, before most of us on this board even existed.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 02:33 PM
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25. Uh huh...
I'm sure Saddam's wife has only the purest of pure hearts, and is acting only in pursuit of the truth.

:eyes:
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 04:10 PM
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28. Searching for a link now...
of an article that claimed the Saddam DNA tests came back w/i 24 hours.

Does anyone else remember how quick "they" were to say it was Saddam?
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 04:16 PM
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29. Even if he's the real Saddam
There's nothing to stop them from turning over a lookalike. I'm sure they're considering it. It just doesn't pay to look like Saddam.
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