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hiphopnation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 01:43 PM
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***BREAKING NEWS**** but let's not discuss it
Edited on Sun Jun-20-04 01:43 PM by hiphopnation23
on the "general discussion" board at "democratic underground", especially if it's even remotely critical of someone in the party. :eyes:

Of course most ironic and silly about these threads, is that by sheer virtue of posting "I'm tired of XYZ story" you're acutally contributing to the overcrowded nature of it.

It's a PROGRESSIVE POLITICAL MESSAGE BOARD!!!! Isn't this what it's for?

Maybe not. Maybe I'm in the twighlight zone...:tinfoilhat:
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 01:44 PM
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1. You know? you can hide threads. It really clears it up. n/t
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 01:46 PM
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2. Yeah buddy but with all due respect
Edited on Sun Jun-20-04 01:46 PM by nothingshocksmeanymo
We're in a bit of a crisis...we were all born INTO the two party system based on the consitution as it is written...constructive criticism is fine...but must we shoot ourselves in the foot by not acknowledging the reality of the situation..i.e. either a Democrat or a Republican will be in the WH comes next January....one of them is GWB, the worst president ever...the other ISN'T?
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hiphopnation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 01:51 PM
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4. Okay, buddy, but...
it's my hope that we can focus on a couple of different current events at one time. I think we can. After all we are the party for progress.

There's no reason why we can't focus on ousting the worst appointment in our history and not discuss, at the same time, what's good and bad for the party outside 2004 election. $0.02
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 02:03 PM
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7. Agreed....my only concern is that timing is everything
I am a progressive but I know that this goes far deeper than what Kerry will or won't do...here's an article I've posted several times...it's worth reading and considering....also, I do think the manner in which the discussion is framed matters...one way motivates people to act responsibly with clear goals in mind...the other results in a conundrum of unintended results...like aiding and abetting the real enemy who in my view is GWB and anyone that would assist in re-electing him..


here's the article

America as a One-Party State
Today's hard right seeks total dominion. It's packing the courts and rigging the rules. The target is not the Democrats but democracy itself.

By Robert Kuttner
Issue Date: 2.1.04
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America has had periods of single-party dominance before. It happened under FDR's New Deal, in the Republican 1920s and in the early 19th-century "Era of Good Feeling." But if President Bush is re-elected, we will be close to a tipping point of fundamental change in the political system itself. The United States could become a nation in which the dominant party rules for a prolonged period, marginalizes a token opposition and is extremely difficult to dislodge because democracy itself is rigged. This would be unprecedented in U.S. history.
In past single-party eras, the majority party earned its preeminence with broad popular support. Today the electorate remains closely divided, and actually prefers more Democratic policy positions than Republican ones. Yet the drift toward an engineered one-party Republican state has aroused little press scrutiny or widespread popular protest.

We are at risk of becoming an autocracy in three key respects. First, Republican parliamentary gimmickry has emasculated legislative opposition in the House of Representatives (the Senate has other problems). House Majority Leader Tom DeLay of Texas has both intimidated moderate Republicans and reduced the minority party to window dressing, rather like the token opposition parties in Mexico during the six-decade dominance of the PRI.

Second, electoral rules have been rigged to make it increasingly difficult for the incumbent party to be ejected by the voters, absent a Depression-scale disaster, Watergate-class scandal or Teddy Roosevelt-style ruling party split. After two decades of bipartisan collusion in the creation of safe House seats, there are now perhaps just 25 truly contestable House seats in any given election year (and that's before the recent Republican super gerrymandering). What once was a slender and precarious majority -- 229 Republicans to 205 Democrats (including Bernie Sanders of Vermont, an independent who votes with Democrats) -- now looks like a Republican lock. In the Senate, the dynamics are different but equally daunting for Democrats. As the Florida debacle of 2000 showed, the Republicans are also able to hold down the number of opposition votes, with complicity from Republican courts. Reform legislation, the 2002 Help America Vote Act (HAVA), may actually facilitate Republican intimidation of minority voters and reduce Democratic turnout. And the latest money-and-politics regime, nominally a reform, may give the right more of a financial advantage than ever.

Third, the federal courts, which have slowed some executive-branch efforts to destroy liberties, will be a complete rubber stamp if the right wins one more presidential election.

Taken together, these several forces could well enable the Republicans to become the permanent party of autocratic government for at least a generation. Am I exaggerating? Take a close look at the particulars.

I. Legislative Dictatorship
Political scientists used to describe America's Congress as a de facto four-party system. There were national Democrats, mostly liberals; "Dixiecrats," who often voted with Republicans (Congressional Quarterly called this the conservative coalition and tabulated its frequent wins); conservative Republicans; and moderate-to-liberal "gypsy moth" Republicans, who selectively voted with Democrats.

http://www.prospect.org/print/V15/2/kuttner-r.html
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lovedems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 02:17 PM
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10. Reading that article confirms my belief that it is just as important to
get rid of DeLay.

That guy is dangerous and his brain is a little big bigger then Bush's.

I hope the the good voters of Texas realize what a threat he is.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 02:10 PM
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9. Excuse me?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 01:49 PM
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3. Debate the issues
What's so hard about that? Nobody would have a problem with people who debate the issues. OR be honest about your support of Nader, Green, whoever. I really hate the people who show up and shit all over a candidate, ANY Dem candidate, but hide their true party affiliation and never offer any true debate on their OWN candidates. Several people doing that to a variety of Dem candidates. It's very dishonest and manipulative. If that's what the Green Party, in particular, is all about, I'm glad I never got involved.
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freetobegay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 01:53 PM
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5. ABB
nuff said! All other is moot at this point.
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 02:03 PM
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6. "......and you're steppin' into the TWILIGHT ZONE...this is a MADHOUSE....
....feel like gettin' STONED!?" :wow:

...all due respect to 'Golden Earring' :headbang:
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