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Selwynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 12:44 PM
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Al Franken wants proof of "New Pearl Harbor" Quote!
I like Al's show, but Jesus Christ wake up.

I say let's all call in or email in and give him the exact links to the documents.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 12:47 PM
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1. I heard that too and am hunting
Isn't it at the PNAC site?
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 12:48 PM
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3. Yep
That's where I read it:

http://www.newamericancentury.org
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drthais Donating Member (771 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 12:49 PM
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6. yes, it is
but these days
you have to type in Pearl Harbor
to search for the quote
in one of the original documents
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 12:47 PM
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2. He is waking up, don't worry. It is nice to see the process. n/t
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Selwynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 12:49 PM
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7. I freaking read it myself, first source but can't remember WHICH doc
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 12:48 PM
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4. Can someone else call this in?
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donhakman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 12:54 PM
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14. Rumsfeld used the term many times.
Edited on Tue Jun-22-04 12:55 PM by donhakman
Pearl Harbor like event numerous times. I found it 3 times in his proposals for military funding. Here is a clip from a pdf document regarding Rumsfeld's view on space based weapons which I consider most bizarre.

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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 12:49 PM
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5. Well, I googled and there are so many references to Wolfowitz and
Pearl Harbor... which one is the best? The PNAC documents?
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drthais Donating Member (771 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 12:49 PM
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8. yes, right there
because the statement has signatories
its not just a quote
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Timefortruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 12:59 PM
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20. And the PNAC reference was prepared years before 9/11.
Sort of like they planned it, huh?
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 12:50 PM
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9. HERE HERE HERE
Edited on Tue Jun-22-04 12:50 PM by WilliamPitt
"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some
catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor."

P. 63, left column top, here:

http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 12:52 PM
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10. perfect
I knew someone would beat me to it - and I was thinking of Mr. Pitt all along because You Sir are the person who made me aware of the document a long time ago.

Should we all email it to him now?
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Selwynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 12:53 PM
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11. Thanks - now TELL AL! :)
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 12:54 PM
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13. How do we get this to him?
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Selwynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 12:55 PM
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15. someone posted on the "comments" section on the AAR website for him
... we could also call the show.
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Selwynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 12:58 PM
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19. OK I emailed the show and left comment on the blog
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 01:02 PM
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21. O'Franken Factor Feedback Link
http://www.airamericaradio.com/bin/resContactUs.cfm?issueId=9

I suppose you could add a comment to the blog, but I'd worry about it getting lost in there. Plus they don't have a seperate story up for it.

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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 01:05 PM
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22. That is Such a Scary Document!
Edited on Tue Jun-22-04 01:07 PM by AndyTiedye
It also contains gems like this:

p.60:

> advanced forms of biological warfare that can “target” specific genotypes may transform
> biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool.

:grr::scared::grr::scared::mad::scared::wtf::wtf::wtf:

Even the Nazi's never tried to go THAT far!!!!

Pass this tidbit on to Al if you can! People need to know!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 01:07 PM
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23. Old news
they were looking at that stuff during WWII, IIRC.
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GumboYaYa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 01:13 PM
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24. Don't forget this oldie but goodie from the same document.
"And advanced forms of biological warfare that can “target” specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool."

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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 01:19 PM
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26. a compassionately conservative interpretation of ethnic cleansing
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BearFlagDemocrat Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 12:53 PM
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12. Where to send it?
It's on page 51 of "Rebuilding America's Defenses" here:

http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 12:58 PM
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18. Download the pdf file - it's on p. 51 of the document (p. 63 of the pdf)
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 12:55 PM
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16. I went to his blog. MANY aware listeners, I tell you. At least 5
blog comments with the address... I am so excited to be part of an aware audience! But I think if somebody can call in it would be great.
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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 12:58 PM
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17. Page 51 actual document (page 63 in PDF form) 1st paragraph
Just emailed him with the web site and how to do a search in Adobe using control f feature. The Pearl Harbor statemnt is in the first complete paragraph on page 51 of the report (which is page 63 in the Adobe Acrobat PDF version of the text). I emailed all of this to Franken. I don't think he uses a computer though at all. But someone at the show must read the email and can navigate this for him. How can anyone not use a computer now days????
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 01:15 PM
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25. There is a text (html) version here.
http://cryptome.quintessenz.org/mirror/rad.htm

Scroll down past the short Sunday Herald Article.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 01:35 PM
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28. Hi yodermon!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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truthspeaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 01:32 PM
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27. PNAC is like Mein Kampf
It's right out in the open, but so many people on our side know nothing about it, and some are even dismissive when we bring it up because it sounds like a whacko conspiracy theory.
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SiouxJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 01:56 PM
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32. I hope Franken looks into PNAC and devotes an entire show
to it. People need to wake up. I'm glad this came up. I really hope Franken does some follow up discussion of it.
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Selwynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 01:36 PM
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29. YAY! Great job all! Franken addressed it.
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 01:38 PM
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30. I am astonished!
Can't believe Franken doesn't have this stuff at his fingertips! JEEZ! I keep a folder full of PNAC stuff on my desktop, for ready reference -- to fire off to people who think I'm nuts to suggest that LIHOP is even a distant possibility.

As Franken's dad would say, "OY OY OY!"
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 01:38 PM
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31. What did he say?
Just curious. Seems like Franken isn't really up to speed on a lot of these things.
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