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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 12:03 PM
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WHY WE'RE LOSING.. WHEN WE SHOULD BE WINNING
Edited on Wed Jun-23-04 12:18 PM by Tellurian
The Tactics used by the Bush Administration to advance their agenda; Is right here-

You don't think Rove's intelligence outweighs his penchant for unscrupulous behavior, do you?

The similarities contained in this site are astounding. The modus operandi of the Bush Administration's use of "control" over the masses could very well have been taken from this site..

At first glance, you may want to dismiss it as just another woo-hoo site. But perseverance does have it's rewards.

Scroll 3/4 down the page until you see the "Table of Strategies".

Compare what you read to what we are experiencing now, "Strategic Manipulation of Facts".

As you know, Bush and Asscroft have the peculiar habit of shifting (what IS) evidence already established as empirical evidence to mean otherwise, simply by giving the *action* another name. (example provided in first post)

IOW, Rove and Co are able to slip away from the grasp of Justice because they continuously keep relableing the meaning of *words* reflecting their actions.--

The ground under the goal posts are being deliberately surreptitiously moved to hide and distort the meaning of words. This is being done by means of *changing* the (defining) words to justify their actions. By doing this, they change the definition of the *word* that would result in serious consequences for their actions. This site demonstrates a perfectly crafted strategy to achieve the results they desire, the manipulation of facts, via word play.

This is what is commonly known (to them)as Silent Weapons Plans..

Don't forget to scroll 3/4 of the way down on the page, until you see Table of Strategies.

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gasperc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 12:08 PM
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1. blocked or bad link
eom
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 12:11 PM
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2. Here's the correct URL
http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/silent_weapons_quiet_wars.htm

There's an extra "/" in the URL posted in the OP.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 12:19 PM
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5. The Link in the title is working... thanks..nt
Edited on Wed Jun-23-04 12:22 PM by Tellurian
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 12:14 PM
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3. Do you mean losing the war, or losing the campaign?
Because we're winning the campaign. So say both the national polls and every single poll taken in every single swing state.

The truth is, more people are catching onto the lies every day.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 12:20 PM
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6. The Truth is, if we don't get a handle on this nefarious activity...
we're in deep s**t!

Try to read the linked article..
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 12:17 PM
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4. Prisoners who become POWs are labeled as "High Contacting Partys."
Edited on Wed Jun-23-04 12:21 PM by Tellurian
or the new words they invented we've become accustomed to: Detainees or Enemy Combatants

Prisoner Abuse Bush Order


Text of order signed by President Bush on Feb. 7, 2002, outlining treatment of al-Qaida and Taliban detainees:



1. Our recent extensive discussions regarding the status of al-Qaida and Taliban detainees confirm that the application of Geneva Convention Relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War of August 12, 1949, (Geneva) to the conflict with al-Qaida and the Taliban involves complex legal questions. By its terms, Geneva applies to conflicts involving "High Contracting Parties," which can only be states. Moreover, it assumes the existence of "regular" armed forces fighting on behalf of states. However, the war against terrorism ushers in a new paradigm, one in which groups with broad, international reach commit horrific acts against innocent civilians, sometimes with the direct support of states. Our nation recognizes that this new paradigm — ushered in not by us, but by terrorists — requires new thinking in the law of war, but thinking that should nevertheless be consistent with the principles of Geneva.

2. Pursuant to my authority as commander in chief and chief executive of the United States, and relying on the opinion of the Department of Justice (news - web sites) dated January 22, 2002, and on the legal opinion rendered by the attorney general in his letter of February 1, 2002, I hereby determine as follows:

a. I accept the legal conclusion of the Department of Justice and determine that none of the provisions of Geneva apply to our conflict with al-Qaida in Afghanistan or elsewhere throughout the world because, among other reasons, al-Qaida is not a High Contracting Party to Geneva.


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=544&ncid=703&e=6&u=/ap/20040623/ap_on_go_pr_wh/prisoner_abuse_bush_order



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Devils Advocate NZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 01:06 PM
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9. There is one thing that pisses me off about posts like this...
That is, when someone is talking about issues that would be labeled "conspiracy theories" by the nay-sayers they HAVE to be 100% on top of the subject. They MUST NOT make even the slightest error, or the nay-sayers can use that error, no matter how minor or irrelevant, to label the whole issue as "kooky".

For example - The Bush administration is NOT calling prisoners "High Contracting Parties". In fact the complete OPPOSITE is the case, and it is the OPPOSITE that is WRONG.

By saying that such people are NOT "high contracting parties" they are saying that they do not enjoy the protections of the Geneva Convention, which holds the "high contracting parties" bound to follow its rules.

The reason the Bush administration is WRONG on this one, is that the "high contracting party" that is bound by the Convention is NOT Al Qaeda (as they in fact are NOT "high contracting parties") but the United States.

The United States is OBLIGATED by its ratification of the Geneva Conventions to abide by its rules. This legal opinion Bush is using is a LIE and is a red herring, because the Bush administration is using the Geneva Convention to come up with its other attempt to derive prisoners of their rights, by labeling them UNLAWFUL enemy combatants. (NOT just "enemy combatants")

The Conventions define what is a LAWFUL combatant - a uniformed serviceman or woman of the belligerent parties, or an organised militia that has common unit designations of some sort (such as the Marquis in WWII).

It also defines an UNLAWFUL combatant. This would include terrorists.

The difference between them is that LAWFUL combatants must be treated as POW's on capture and must be released within a reasonable time after hostilities cease.

UNLAWFUL combatants however are criminals, and can be tried and imprisoned even after hostilities have ceased.

This is what the Bush administration is trying to capitalise on. However, they are ignoring one VERY important aspect of the "unlawful combatant" designation - they do not have to be accorded POW rights, but they MUST be accorded other rights such as a right to a fair trial in front of a 'competent tribunal' (whose sole discretion it is to determine whether they are "unlawful combatants") and standard human rights.

Until they receive a fair trial in front of a 'competent tribunal' they MUST be accorded the rights of a POW.

Thus, the Bush administration has committed a series of war crimes, and crimes against humanity by depriving these people of their rights under the Geneva Convention.

All the legal mumbo-jumbo they can come up with cannot erase that fact.

The point of all this is that what you are trying to say is VERY important, but you MUST be 100% accurate or the "coincidence theorists" WILL have a field day.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 01:48 PM
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11. Thanks for the clarification.. *sorry*
But you do see what I'm getting at. If you know of a cogent word, we're all familiar with describing what this action is called, please post it here.

Definition of:

High Contracting Party

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 12:30 PM
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7. The bottom line is we are at war for the ownership of our country
and Rights, besides the War with Iraq..
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billybob537 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 12:49 PM
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8. The Geneva conventions
apply to the USA and anyone we take prisoner for whatever reason. Japanese prisoners were treated under the Geneva conventions, even though they were not a signatory. We pledged ourselves to treat all prisoners humanely, weather or not they reciprocate. When did Iraqi opposition start beheading captives? Right after torture became known. Why does our pResident not understand this? These are the most inept bunglers I have ever seen.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 01:20 PM
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10. Well, Not Exactly Then
Edited on Wed Jun-23-04 01:24 PM by ThomWV
I don't think it was when the torture became known, at least when it first became known to us. You have to remember, it was known to the Iraqui people long before we knew about it. This wasn't something that happened because some arab fellows went nuts when they saw the pictures on arab-TV for the first time and got themselves an American to behead a couple of days later. The community in Iraq has known what was going on in those prisions for months already. At least some prisioners got released from those prisions since January and they had to be saying something back at home. You know how fast that sort of news would pass around on the street, getting worse and worse with each telling. This is pure hatred against us and our policys that has had time to ferment into a witche's brew. And why? Bush.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 02:42 PM
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12. Bush does understand. He is deliberately creating words to suit
the purposes he is trying to achieve in order to shirt the law.

I guess a simpler example could be something like this:

It is against the law for Gays to marry.

But not against the law for Genders to marry.

(because those specific words, terminology and definitions are not spelled out in the law.)

I'm just using this as an example..I don't mean to imply it is real or justified.


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