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dammit905 (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-25-04 09:26 PM Original message |
On 'music piracy' and illegal internet downloading |
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arcos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-25-04 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
1. exactly! n/t |
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jeff30997 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-25-04 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
2. I couldn't agree more! |
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Curious Dave (173 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-25-04 09:31 PM Response to Original message |
3. Sticking it to the man |
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redstateblues (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 09:10 AM Response to Reply #3 |
71. Sticking It To Us Songwriters |
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Beloved Citizen (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 09:42 AM Response to Reply #71 |
83. Apologists for piracy are clueless |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 09:45 AM Response to Reply #83 |
85. They don't want to hear you |
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Beloved Citizen (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 09:53 AM Response to Reply #85 |
87. No, they just live in their own little world |
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AntiCoup2K4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 10:16 AM Response to Reply #83 |
95. Is that because of downloading or is it because.... |
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Beloved Citizen (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 01:26 PM Response to Reply #95 |
102. Sure, pop. |
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MsUnderstood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-25-04 09:33 PM Response to Original message |
4. Wow--I almost bought it . . . |
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coloradodem2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-25-04 09:39 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Downloading for me has made me buy albums that I would not otherwise buy. |
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Systematic Chaos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-25-04 09:34 PM Response to Original message |
5. Some of us simply can't AFFORD to buy music regularly. |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-25-04 09:47 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. I can't afford to buy new clothes |
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jeff30997 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-25-04 10:17 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. If you can't afford to buy new clothes... |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-25-04 10:22 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Then start a music charity |
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Systematic Chaos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-25-04 10:24 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Thank you, Jeff.... |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 01:27 AM Response to Reply #9 |
34. No, because copyright infringement isn't theft. (n/t) |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 07:41 AM Response to Reply #9 |
48. You Can Always Try Them On |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 08:22 AM Response to Reply #48 |
53. You have no "right" to try on music |
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Mr. Blonde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-25-04 09:37 PM Response to Original message |
6. I find it interesting |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-25-04 09:43 PM Response to Original message |
8. Libraries are piracy |
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pitt71 (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-25-04 09:48 PM Response to Original message |
10. Really good |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-25-04 09:52 PM Response to Original message |
11. Music Sharing Has Always Been Around |
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KharmaTrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-25-04 09:52 PM Response to Original message |
12. So Much Grey Here |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-25-04 09:57 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Your attitude would end the music business |
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KharmaTrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-25-04 10:16 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. True If It Were A Real Reproduction... |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-25-04 10:21 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. We have some disagreement |
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KharmaTrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-25-04 10:39 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Agree To Disagree... |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-25-04 10:49 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. It still has value |
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KharmaTrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 12:54 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. What Determines Value? |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 01:02 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. It's not truly one to one, it's a network |
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KharmaTrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 10:05 AM Response to Reply #23 |
91. We Agree On The Major Points... |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 08:05 AM Response to Reply #21 |
51. Your Analogies Are Flawed |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 08:33 AM Response to Reply #51 |
57. "Your Analogies Are Flawed" |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 08:47 AM Response to Reply #57 |
63. Wrong |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 08:51 AM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Wrong |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 09:14 AM Response to Reply #65 |
72. Wrong Again |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 09:29 AM Response to Reply #72 |
75. Wrong, again |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 09:40 AM Response to Reply #75 |
80. Ummm ... |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 09:44 AM Response to Reply #80 |
84. Not comparable |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 09:54 AM Response to Reply #84 |
88. Does The Stockholder Have More Rights Than the Artist? |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 10:05 AM Response to Reply #88 |
92. Depends on who owns what |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 10:12 AM Response to Reply #92 |
94. Thank You |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 10:27 AM Response to Reply #94 |
96. Nothing biting |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 01:44 AM Response to Reply #16 |
38. What about the studies |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 06:42 AM Response to Reply #38 |
42. I can find a study that says anything |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 03:53 PM Response to Reply #42 |
134. Do you have something against the English language? |
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bitchkitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 09:41 AM Response to Reply #38 |
82. Thanks for the clarification - |
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jeff30997 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-25-04 10:21 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Right on IMRadioactive !!! |
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Jack_DeLeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 01:20 AM Response to Reply #13 |
31. The music business is obsolete. |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 06:46 AM Response to Reply #31 |
44. No need to stifle technology |
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Jack_DeLeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 07:23 AM Response to Reply #44 |
46. contridicting statements |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 07:28 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. No I don't want to stifle technology |
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Colin Ex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 01:05 AM Response to Original message |
24. Relevant hypothetical situation here. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 01:06 AM Response to Original message |
25. Just buy it from iTunes. |
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Colin Ex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 01:12 AM Response to Reply #25 |
29. iTunes doesn't have |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 01:22 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. For bands that small, it's even worse to take their music without paying. |
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Colin Ex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 01:38 AM Response to Reply #32 |
36. For the Sick Lipstick example, |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 06:48 AM Response to Reply #36 |
45. Yes |
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Sirveri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 08:02 AM Response to Reply #45 |
50. When they do he can buy it. |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 08:24 AM Response to Reply #50 |
54. Yes, the artist does get hurt |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 08:33 AM Response to Reply #54 |
58. Bull |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 08:43 AM Response to Reply #58 |
61. Welcome to 2004 |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 08:58 AM Response to Reply #61 |
69. Napster |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 09:07 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Napster lost, THAT'S what happened |
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AntiCoup2K4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 11:36 AM Response to Reply #70 |
98. Napster lost because Lar$ Ulrich is a fucking hypocrite. |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 11:37 AM Response to Reply #98 |
99. Technology changed and that change modified his view |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 09:29 AM Response to Reply #58 |
74. If it's available free because peope are P2P'ing it, then you reduce the |
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Colin Ex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 12:32 PM Response to Reply #74 |
101. I will! I will! |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 01:47 PM Response to Reply #74 |
108. I Have, I Will |
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Sirveri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 08:36 AM Response to Reply #54 |
59. Buying used CD doesn't help the artist either. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 09:30 AM Response to Reply #59 |
76. At least the artists might have a few original copies they could sell on |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 09:48 AM Response to Reply #76 |
86. eBay |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 08:30 AM Response to Reply #45 |
56. Copyright Holders Get NO MONEY FROM USED RECORD Sales |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 08:45 AM Response to Reply #56 |
62. Yes, there is a difference |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 02:25 PM Response to Reply #62 |
124. You Completely Miss the Point |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 02:30 PM Response to Reply #124 |
127. There is a complete difference |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 02:35 PM Response to Reply #127 |
130. You Are Not Going to Lose a Market to Free Info Advocates |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 03:41 PM Response to Reply #130 |
133. You will certainly lose some |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 09:27 AM Response to Reply #36 |
73. Who owns the copyright? Get their permission. |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 01:07 AM Response to Original message |
26. Nitpick |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 01:09 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Conspiracy on a large scale is not just civil |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 01:26 AM Response to Reply #27 |
33. Bullshit |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 08:54 AM Response to Reply #33 |
66. P2P is wildly abused |
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Jack_DeLeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 01:11 AM Response to Original message |
28. I think information should be free. |
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Colin Ex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 01:13 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Where do you get police state? |
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Jack_DeLeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 01:28 AM Response to Reply #30 |
35. I'm actually referring more to the RIAA than to the MPAA. |
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Colin Ex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 01:41 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. I'm glad we agree that Orrin Hatch is a dumbass. |
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Jack_DeLeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 01:53 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Well there are other examples... |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 06:45 AM Response to Reply #39 |
43. They can't seize |
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AntiCoup2K4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 02:01 PM Response to Reply #30 |
116. No, that's a corporate greed state |
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Scottie72 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 01:58 AM Response to Original message |
40. I agree.... |
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Lestat (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 01:59 AM Response to Original message |
41. I'm not going to pay $17 for a freakin' cd for one song. |
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MUSTANG_2004 (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 09:35 AM Response to Reply #41 |
77. I won't pay $17 for a song either |
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Lestat (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 01:31 PM Response to Reply #77 |
104. I'm not stealing a damn thing. |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 09:37 AM Response to Reply #41 |
78. While you are online, I borrowed your car |
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Lestat (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 01:29 PM Response to Reply #78 |
103. Ok... |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 01:49 PM Response to Reply #103 |
109. Have fun, I hope you are one of the ones sued |
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Lestat (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 01:53 PM Response to Reply #109 |
111. They can go ahead and try to sue my ass. |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 01:58 PM Response to Reply #111 |
113. Over time, that will probably be prevented |
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Lestat (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 01:59 PM Response to Reply #113 |
114. What the hell is the big deal if I download music? |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 02:13 PM Response to Reply #114 |
118. You must be kidding |
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Lestat (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 02:16 PM Response to Reply #118 |
120. It's no different than taping a song you like off the radio. |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 02:22 PM Response to Reply #120 |
122. Yes it is |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 02:26 PM Response to Reply #122 |
125. What happens when digital FM hits the scene? |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 02:27 PM Response to Reply #125 |
126. That's Being Addressed |
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Maestro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 08:02 AM Response to Original message |
49. My only problem is that it does seem to hurt |
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Sirveri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 08:16 AM Response to Original message |
52. Download all you want. |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 08:36 AM Response to Reply #52 |
60. Are you completely ignorant of capitalism? |
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Sirveri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 08:51 AM Response to Reply #60 |
64. Yeah, except that doesn't actually happen. |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 08:55 AM Response to Reply #64 |
67. It seems you have an axe to grind |
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Sirveri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 08:56 AM Response to Reply #67 |
68. upping my post count is ALWAYS fun. N/T |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 01:35 PM Response to Reply #60 |
105. You claim to support capitalism but you are espousing monopoly |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 01:43 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. No, I am espousing legality |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 01:51 PM Response to Reply #106 |
110. I guess I have problems with the concept of owning something intangable. |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 01:57 PM Response to Reply #110 |
112. Too bad |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 02:01 PM Response to Reply #112 |
115. How? What about it is unique? |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 02:15 PM Response to Reply #115 |
119. You still used MY song as the basis |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 02:20 PM Response to Reply #119 |
121. By that logic Vanilla Ice ripped off Queen/David Bowie |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 02:23 PM Response to Reply #121 |
123. Yes, he did |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 02:31 PM Response to Reply #121 |
128. Bad Example, Bad Argument |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 08:26 AM Response to Original message |
55. Stealing is stealing. |
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Monte Carlo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 09:38 AM Response to Original message |
79. My attitude is that if it's on the radio, it's up for grabs. |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 09:40 AM Response to Reply #79 |
81. Not hardly |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 10:04 AM Response to Reply #79 |
90. My Feeling Is Just the Opposite |
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AntiCoup2K4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
89. Downloading Mp3's is no different than listening to the radio |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 10:09 AM Response to Reply #89 |
93. That's ludicrous |
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AntiCoup2K4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 10:30 AM Response to Reply #93 |
97. Glad you brought that up, about the virus thing..... |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 11:40 AM Response to Reply #97 |
100. As long as they label it, that is fair |
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AntiCoup2K4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 04:06 PM Response to Reply #100 |
136. You expect them to put "This CD contains a virus" on the label?? |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-04 12:04 AM Response to Reply #136 |
137. This CD contains special copy protection program |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-04 12:10 AM Response to Reply #137 |
138. Every argument I've heard before |
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drdigi420 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
107. As an artist, I'd rather you download my songs than not have them |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 02:12 PM Response to Reply #107 |
117. Digi that's a hoot |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
129. The RIAA also gets money per blank CD sold... they are as much thieves |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 02:45 PM Response to Reply #129 |
132. Amazing that there are those here on DU who defend the RIAA |
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Peak_Oil (666 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
131. My thoughts on the subject |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-04 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
135. Moral Entrepreneurs |
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