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Sweetpea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 12:12 PM
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Did it bother anyone else that Bill Maher called Ann Coulter one of his
Best Friends whether you like it or not on his show last night? I have a problem with someone giving her any kind of props and respect being that she spews such stupidity, racism and hatred. It made me think he was really saying, "though my friend is hatemonger and most of the country hates her, she is still my pal". I wish Conrad Mohammed were still alive so I could sport him around as a good old buddy. See how far it would get me.
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MattNC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 12:14 PM
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1. doesn't bother me
I've heard she's nice off camera, which of course makes her whole conservative wacko montage on TV that more ridiculous.
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Salviati Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 12:32 PM
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11. You can't spew hate like that
and be a nice person... If anything is a show, I'm sure that it's her 'nice' act off camera. Many psychopaths are quite charismatic and adept at fooling others into thinking that there's nothing wrong with them, when in fact they see others as being not really human...
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PDittie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 12:15 PM
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2. He just wants to hit it
n/t
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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 12:15 PM
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3. I don't even think she believes what she is saying
but as of right now, it's easier then getting a real job.
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durutti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-03 07:19 AM
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64. Agree
I've been saying the same thing all along.
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 12:16 PM
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4. Yeah, it bothers me
There's no way I would associate with someone who spews the shit that she does. Even if it's just partially an act, there's no way I could condone someone doing it just for a living, even if they didn't really believe half of what they said.
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Sweetpea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 12:17 PM
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5. I agrees. I feel like it is giving her a credibility pass.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 12:17 PM
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6. Maybe he wants to go into politics after all...
Maybe he wants to go into politics after all... you know, like how they'll say on the Senate floor -


"my good friend, and he is my friend, the junior Senator for whereever, would like nothing better than to see your children roasting on a spit for his dinner..."
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 12:17 PM
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7. Maher may break a lot of hearts
I suspect he is going to pull a Miller on everyone. I think it has to do with the nature of political comedians. They get much of their momentum from anger. This is the primary motivation factor for neocons.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 12:18 PM
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8. No, and it doesn't surprise me...
My problem with Bill Maher is after he correctly and quite humorously dogs the republicans, he has to take little jabs at democrats, too.

I'm not implying democrats are above being criticized but if Maher really wants that bastared child in the white house gone he should promote the dem party.

He's more afraid of being called a partisan than of helping boot bush. Of course, that isn't his job.

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Clete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 01:16 PM
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16. Maher is following the Johnny Carson mantra of political jokes.
You poke fun equally at each party, therefore you don't really piss any one group off. To get a real glimpse of what Maher thinks politically watch him the next time he is on Larry King. Then he bares all about what he really believes and quite honestly, when you hear it, then you know for sure that entertainers need to stay out of politics as elected officials.
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PunkinPi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 12:18 PM
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9. Maher also frequently calls her,
"his drinking/clubbin' buddy".

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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 03:14 PM
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39. um, yeah, possibly it's, um, just a joke?
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PunkinPi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-03 10:21 AM
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69. maybe it is and maybe it's not,
i'm just saying i've heard him refer to her that way on several occasions.
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 12:27 PM
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10. Anne gives good head...I JDW
"Just Don't Watch"...and each time she's on I go to his website and tell him I JDW because of HER. Aaron Magruder <"Boonedocks"> verbally bum-holed her last season. D.L. Hughley wiped the floor with her.
I'm surprised Bill didn't say his USUAL,:loveya: "Hiya',DOLL!"
to her. They're BOTH weirdos.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 01:24 PM
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18. Bill is getting old and single - so any sex makes you grateful!
Ann helps him get through the night.

:-)
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VermontDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 01:24 PM
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19. ughh
:puke:
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 02:08 PM
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20. Aaron Magruder <"Boonedocks"> verbally bum-holed her last season
Please tell more!
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 12:33 PM
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12. AC is a harpy

She equates dissent with treason. That went out with the SS having your papers. I hope.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 12:47 PM
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13. Maher is a conservative by his own admission
He said it on one of his shows years ago. I would think the reason is more that he does not want to piss off the powers-that-be or he will get terminated again.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 01:12 PM
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15. Ann Baby has a loooong neck, good for deep throating Bill?
Oh well, jus a bad thought
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RummyTheDummy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 02:20 PM
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23. That's ludicrous...
Maher is in favor of legalization of marijuana, hates coroporate america and often criticizes abuse of the environment. He has said all of the above many times on his old show (which was taken away by conservatives after his post 9-11 remarks)and his current HBO program.

Doesn't sould like ANY conservatives I know.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-03 06:40 AM
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59. and Maher told Nugent that Nugent makes him embarassed to be conservative
M: "You know, (Ted), I am a pretty conservative on most issues, and some of the things you say make me feel embarassed to be a conservative". I recall that from the original Politically Incorrect show on Comedy Central.

Maher must be the libertarian bent: less government control of our lives, less taxes, and ignore the obvious social problems that lack of government involvement causes.
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DemLikr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 01:07 PM
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14. I think he actually said she was his "best friend."
Yeah, it bothers me too, and he's said it before.

I'm not sure how one claims to despise nearly every opinion, statement, and the very worldview a person holds while embracing them as a cherished intimate...one's behavior and statements tell you most of what you need to know about them.

More and more, I think Ann is a complete phony. She drinks like a fish and likely screws like a sailor, yet she sits on television and espouses republican family values. She has yet to use her alleged womb to procreate also. I'm not buying the whole act, and it disappoints me that Maher keeps promoting her and her bullshit.

I remain amused by, but suspicious of , Maher. Don't forget, he's the one who keeps telling us that certain anti-shrub statements are "soooooo September 10th."

:eyes:

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VermontDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 01:19 PM
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17. Well... That doesn't bother me
what bothered me is she kept making up shit during the entire show. She used up all the time, Orlando Jones didn't say much and neither did the Congressman. It went from more people died from the Texas Air National Guard then Vietnam to Democrats have joyless sex according to a in-depth most accurate sex study done. I guess these professors went into the bedrooms and while they were doing it, they hooked them up to some kind of lab machine, checked their voter registration. That is the only way to do it to get an "accurate" sex study.
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Sweetpea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 02:18 PM
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22. Even more reason to be embarrassed to have best friends who
Edited on Sat Aug-16-03 02:21 PM by Sweetpea
publicly tell lies and pose as experts.

I would have more respect for her if she would just wear a white hood.

If he wanted to appear fair, there are conservatives out there, who are not "downright" hateful, he could befriend.

You have to wonder about someone's spirit to have friends like that.
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 02:18 PM
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21. Maher is a sexist pig He proves it repeatedly by his remarks, guests,
and behaviour I will not watch him any more.
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remfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-03 06:49 AM
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62. I liked Maher when he did stand-up, but I read an interview
with him a few years ago, and the 'sexist pig' came shining through. I haven't paid attention to him since.
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Sushi_lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 02:21 PM
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24. part of the deal. agreed to not decimate her. agreed to make her welcome
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Sweetpea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 02:24 PM
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27. I don't know....She seems to be quite comfortable making a fool
out of herself. But it does seem like the networks invite her on the shows, and she has gotten too many free passes on ther commentary.

I think I will befriend Amiri Baraka too. See how far it gets me.
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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 02:22 PM
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25. It bothers me how Maher thinks
that you have to really make an effort to be poor and unemployed-as if job opportunites were flying off the shelves.
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RummyTheDummy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 02:23 PM
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26. Am I on Free Republic?
This thread resembles one of their guilt by association gems.
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Paragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 02:24 PM
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28. Come on, people
Bill is simply demonstrating civil debate here - something his buddy Ann could learn a thing or two about.

Opposites attract, kindred spirits, whatever...friendship is a GOOD thing, especially when it can see past ideological lines. That's how you REALLY become "a uniter, not a divider".

Are we writing off James Carville now, too?
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Sweetpea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 02:26 PM
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30. I guess one could have been friends with Hitler too. Enough
friendly debate would have changed his mind about Jews.
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RummyTheDummy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 02:30 PM
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32. Wow, glad you're not making any leaps here...
A show biz friendship and the extermination of millions of jews and world domination.
Yeah, I see where you're going with that.
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Sweetpea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 02:34 PM
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33. It is more of the breeding of a mindset that bothers me....and
a free pass on very hateful views in the media that bothers me. Hitler and his ilk were influenced by writers and thinkers of their times. Wagner....was he just a composer.
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RapidCreek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 06:29 PM
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51. Ann Coulter is evil...
Edited on Sat Aug-16-03 07:05 PM by RapidCreek
She would cut your liberal nuts off and feed them to you whole, if she thought she could get away with it. Sorry chief, but I don't care to associate with psychopaths...of which she is one. Anyone who calls her sort friend, is instantly my enemy. Do you for a second believe that this crazy viperous bitch wouldn't exterminate every single person she terms "liberal" if she was given authority to do so?

Please...since you suggest a previouse poster is making quite a leap comparing Ms. Coulter with Hitler...explain their vast differences. The only one I see is that Ms. Coulter lacks Hitlers charisma.

RC
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Liberal Classic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 02:25 PM
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29. I think I saw this on Larry King
Seeing this interview raised my respect for Maher. Intelligent and rational people can disagree and remain friends. I believe he respects her for being outspoken, and he explicity said we need more people like that of all viewpoints. He said the same thing of Chris Rock, whom I find hilarous. He said that Chris Rock can go on stage and get booed by a black audience, and that this takes courage. Now I have to rent some Chris Rock tapes, I am really curious what he could say that gets him catcalled. He also mentioned Mr. and Mrs. Carville, who remain married despite their political leanings. He said that this is a good thing, and I believe he's right.
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Sweetpea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 02:30 PM
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31. You said it....."Intelligent and Rational " people........I have a hard
time applying that to Ann Coulter. Matalin is easier to swallow.
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Liberal Classic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 02:38 PM
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34. Those were his words, and I tend to agree
I thought Maher defended her well, and I will defend Maher's defense on moral and political grounds.

If we go around believing everyone who disagrees is patently evil, then we've got a problem. Intelligent and rational people can disagree and remain on good terms socially. The "us or them" mentality is destructive. Politics is not war, and I don't believe that Repubicans and Democrats are enemies in the martial sense. You may not like her, and even I am not a big Coulter fan not having read any of her work, but she has a right to her beliefs and a right to expound on them.

From what I've read she's a political shock jock after a fashion. There's nothing wrong with this, as outspoken and even outrageous as she is. From what Maher said, it's clear that her public persona is different from her private life, like so many other public personalities.

I like Politicallty Incorrect a lot and I miss it. I wish Maher would go on Tough Crowd with Colin Quinn. That would be a riot. Get Maher, John Stuart, Ann Coulter, and Chris Rock and that would be a hell of a show. I don't get HBO so I can't watch Maher's new show. Now I wish I did, but I'm not going to get HBO for one show.
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Sweetpea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 02:42 PM
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35. I wish more people were defensive of the Sarandon's, Belafonte's
Robbins who actually march for human rights, volunteer and are very involved in making change for a better tomorrow. It seems their views get trashed on a lot of these shows and loud mouths who only incite hatred get upheld as being cool.

There is nothing wrong with healthy debate. But it is wrong to spew lies and slander.
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Liberal Classic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 02:53 PM
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36. I still love Harry Belafonte
Live in Concert at the Carnegie Hall is one of my favorite albums of all time. I still enjoy his music. I like Ted Nuget, too, but saying that won't make me any friends around here. Live at Hammersmith 79 is one of the greatest live Metal albums of all time.

But it is wrong to spew lies and slander.

Well then do something about it, or put your own views out there to counter Coulter's. CounterCoulter, I kind of like that. :) Robbins is a great actor, I don't mind watching him work. What about Viggo Mortensen? Am I going to pass on Return of the King? No way in hell.

Don't let a little thing like politics stand in the way of liking someone.
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Sweetpea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 03:02 PM
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37. I have a dear friend who is a reformed Klansman
He admits a lot of his past actions and thoughts were wrong. I have learned much from him especially from the lenses of someone who really hated other races and cultures. If he were still a klansman, liking him would him would be close to impossible for me because it goes beyond issues like school vouchers, environment. It goes into believing that I am part of an inferior race.

The embracing of the Dinesh D'souza types and those who support the findings of the bell curve etc... they respresent a mindset that is very difficult to overlook.

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Liberal Classic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 03:46 PM
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41. If you go around disliking people with whom you disagree...
You're going to be unhappy a lot of the time. Don't hate the person, oppose the ideology. If you succum to hatred you will become that which you hate. I learned a lot about the Klan from my great uncle, though I did not learn the lesson he wanted to teach if you catch my meaning. All the same I do not hate him, I believe he repented in the end.

I hear a lot about hating Republicans or conservatives. On other message boards with a conservative leaning, there is much the same hatred directed towards Democrats and or liberals, and I think it's wrong from either direction. I am certianly not asking you to *embrace* that which you oppose. This goes against everything that I believe. Just as we have a right to keep what company we want, likewise we have a right to not associate with those whom we don't. You don't have to overlook anything and you do not have to keep company you feel is repugnant, just be aware that if you find yourself hating Dinesh D'souza then you've gone too far down the pike. Hatred is at the core of violent idologies and beliefs. Once you hate, then you're a step away of actually seeing the other side as inferior non-humans. I'm not saying that you shoudn't feel emotion, but be aware of what you're feeling. Look at what violent creeds spring from and don't go there.

Now, I am only casually familiar with D'souza's writings, but I don't think he's any more or less evil than Coulter or Michael Moore. Just because he believes in rolling back some laws to Title IX or even past it, does not make him evil or worthy of hatred.

Consider if hate blinded you that you would have have your friend.
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Sweetpea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 03:54 PM
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42. I never used the word "hate". I said bothered by the free pass
that hatemongers get. I think when you endorse people who support ideology that suggests groups of people are inferior, you breed hatred that is worthy of causing discomfort and fear considering this country's history.

I can dislike someone's views. But it is difficult to come to the table of debate when someone views you as not having the intellectual capacity to debate.

I can understand someone hating if someone killed someone close to them.
And still at the end of the day, forgiveness is needed. I think it was Jesus who said, "forgive them for they know not what they do". But that doesn't include saying it is Ok for them to do or think what they do.
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Liberal Classic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 04:02 PM
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43. I think you got it, Sweetpea
Sometimes it's difficult to debate rational and intelligent people because they're almost speaking a different language.
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Sweetpea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 04:06 PM
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44. And I don't think it rational or intelligent to view races or cultures
of people inferior to your own.
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Liberal Classic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 04:12 PM
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46. I don't either
From everything I've learned in life, there isn't a hair's breadth of difference between one human animal and another, save that which is going on inside his head and coming out of his mouth.

The way I see it, judge not lest ye be judged does not mean we shouldn't choose with whom to associate, rather not to pass judgement on others as inferior -- which is of course exactly what the Kluckers do. I think they're wrong also, but I try not to hate them as much as oppose those thing for which they stand.
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Sweetpea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 04:19 PM
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47. What we have to insure is that those views don't turn into policy.
That is the danger of propaganda on any side of the coin that doesn't celebrate humanity. Because it can turn into an evil as history as shown us(Nazi Germany).
The strategies used by this neoconservative movement are very similar to those used in the rise of the Third Reich.

Even her statements about McCarthy, can send shivers up one's spine, considering the lives that were destroyed by him. Also, lets not forget the climate in this country 5 months ago. Who is patriotic now?
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RapidCreek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 07:04 PM
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53. It's real difficult to debate when you are ordered at the point
of a gun onto a box car. You cannot debate with someone who will prove their point by killing you....or by convincing some mind numb idiot to do it for them. Tell you what, try and reason with a rabid dog some time. Try and reason with a mugger. Debate infers some level of rationality of the participants. Sans rationality you cannot have debate.

RC
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VermontDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 06:22 PM
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50. Well I wouldn't have a problem with that
Edited on Sat Aug-16-03 06:24 PM by VermontDem2004
but Ann Coulter calls us traitors, she calls us evil and constantly makes up shit. I can have republican friends but not one who "Slander"s.

EDIT: about the Tough Crowd with Colin Quinn. One problem with that is Ann Coulter is not a comedian, no matter how funny she thinks she is she is not a comedian.
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RapidCreek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 06:55 PM
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52. I agree too!
Ms. Coulter has every right to call you a traitorous Commie! Problem is she is calling me one too...and I have a real serious problem with that. About 40 years ago her pronouncements might have put you under McCarthy's little microscope. My family was a victim of Mr. McCarthy and I have a real hard time respecting or appreciating the viewpoint of someone who spreads hate as a means of quelling those who they disagree with. Frankly, if the bitch ever called me a traitor I'd get up out of my chair and punch her fucking teeth through the back of her skull. I and nearly every male member of my family have served our country since the Spanish American War. I don't need any chickenshit scrawny big mouthed, douche bag, self hating bitch, who no one would listen to if she didn't wear Ho skirts and "fuck me pumps", calling me a traitor. Any son of a bitch who calls her a friend or suggests she has a "right" to propagate violence against me and mine is treading on some real thin ice. Guess that sort of thing doesn't bother you....we'll see how you feel when your house is being watched, your phones are being tapped, your kids are being followed to school and you and your wife are being followed to work. We'll see how you feel when you get home and it's obvious that someone has been in your house and looked through your shit. In my book anyone who advocates such crap IS evil and should be dealt with VERY VERY HARSHLY. You better wake up and smell the coffee. The more Ms. Coulter is allowed to spread her hate...the more socially acceptable it becomes. The more socially acceptable it becomes the more likely you and the people you love will be victimized.

RC
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Sweetpea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 09:35 PM
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55. Sorry to hear about your family
I am currently reading Victor Navasky's book called "Naming Names" about the Hollywood blacklist.. Bothersome.
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RapidCreek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 11:02 PM
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56. Indeed it is.
That's where Rompin Ronny made his bones for GE. For fingering Hollywood liberals, GE gave him a Hollywood whore whom he screwed and got pregnant while married to another woman, a nifty little radio show and subsequently the governorship of CA, topped off with a trip to the Oval office.

My uncle, the man in my family accused of being a communist by Nixon and McCarthy, was on the Atomic Energy Commission about the time Westinghouse and GE were lobbying to build Nuclear Plants. A nuclear chemist, he worked at the Oakridge Lab during WW2, taught Nuclear Chemistry at Notre Dame, and was under the bleachers at U of C when they split the first atom. He believed that Nuclear Power was a great idea but should not be put into action until realistic plans were in place to address potential accidents and a method for safe disposal of nuclear waste was achieved. For this he was labeled a communist and attacked by power industry suppliers via McCarthy's band of thugs. My family suffered all the wonderful fascist abuses the FBI could subject them too during those years. Ann Coulter looks warmly upon that period in our nations history and by her words and actions is making an effort to pull it into the present. She is a Nazi in a ho' skirt and fuckme pumps and anyone who defends the evilness she spews or calls her a friend is no better than she is.

I shall have to check that book out....it sounds interesting.

RC






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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 03:12 PM
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38. Carville and Matalin
they are more than best friends. I've never been able to figure that one out either.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-03 06:41 AM
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60. Matilin is right in the middle of the "war with Iraq lies"
She was still an advisor to Satan* last year when that was happening.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 03:35 PM
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40. Nope. It doesn't bother me.
Ann has always been a popular guest on his show. I figured out a long time ago that they were friends. He may not agree with what she says but at least he lets everyone see how she is. Besides, republicans would complain all the time when his show was on ABC how he would have one lone conservative against three liberals. He has to appear to be fair and balanced unlike Faux News. He is also good friends with Arianna Huffington.
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Breezy du Nord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 04:08 PM
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45. Cuz you catch more flies w/ honey?
I dunno, I did think that a little odd.

Bill is much cooler than her though. (All the liberals are cooler that neocons)
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DemLikr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 04:35 PM
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48. Thrax cultivates friendship of confirmed bachelors in the Big Media
(Drudge, Maher, et al) who can provide her useful exposure through their various outlets, through which she gets to play the conservative and sell books to wingnuts. She's a snake selling snake oil in print, and she's good at what she does.

Maher has a blind spot here.
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RapidCreek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 06:19 PM
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49. Ah Billy Boy.....
Edited on Sat Aug-16-03 06:20 PM by RapidCreek
When it comes to Bill....dorky little pervert that he is...Any woman who has or might take a suck on his skippy is considered a best friend! I mean, Anne publicly sucks on the crotches of plastic Ronald McDonald statues. Bill no doubt envisions himself sitting next to his "best friend" Anny, dressed in a clown suit, singing "The good time, great taste... of my McPenis"....




Billy and his Bestest Friend!


I used to have some respect for this guy....More and more he makes it clear that he is just another media whore. Like Dennis Miller and the Tweety Bird he has created what he believes to be a marketable commodity....how he really feels about things is dictated by money....not any sort of moral compass.

RC
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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 07:19 PM
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54. I thought I was liberal
but I guess not. Maher is wrong,we are at war. He's a rich guy without a family so sure he can be friends with Ann but I can't.
Nor do I want to be friendly to anyone who thinks what Ann writes is the law of the land. They stole votes, they are overturning elections and are trying to take away Roe. That's just for starters.
We being open minded and fair is something I teach to my children but I expect it back in return. Republicans aren't returning it.
I'm sorry but Mr.Maher is entitled to his opinion but I got to live with the crap the republicans are pulling. I owe my children at least a fair shake.
Not everyone is wealthy enough to move out of the country.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-03 09:21 AM
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68. She's not my friend either
She represents a group that has caused much suffering in this country and around the world. I hardly consider being called a traitor for opposing them friendly.
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monchie Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 11:13 PM
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57. Maher's problems: self-centeredness and superficiality
A few weeks ago I watched the stand-up special Maher did for HBO, and while I probably agreed with about 70% of what he had to say, his understanding of today's politics isn't even skin-deep--and is motivated mostly by narrow, selfish concerns. Many of his objections to Republicans center around their attempts to demonize two things he apparently likes a lot: sex and drugs. In other words, he doesn't want the Republicans interfering with his own life...but like most people in the media, he's oblivious to the big picture of the large-scale political damage the Republicans are doing to our country.

The best example of this was when he started talking about the Clinton impeachment as if it were only about Republican bluenoses getting upset about blowjobs. Maher seemed to have no clue whatsoever that the blowjobs were only important to Republicans as an exploitable issue useful for attempting the overthrow of the USA's last legitimately elected president. They don't really care about blowjobs--Shrub could be getting blowjobs on live TV, and they'd defend him to the max. Look at how they tried to demonize Clinton for legally avoiding the draft, yet turn around and ignore Cheney's Vietnam-era draft-dodging and Shrub's own desertion from the National Guard.

Bottom line is this: The Republicans believe that they, and only they, deserve to run the US government, and if the people elect someone else, well, they feel morally justified in using any dirty trick, any sleazy, gutter tactic to undermine and destroy American democracy by changing the results post-facto. They had tried the Whitewater hoax, the Vince Foster hoax, the Travelgate hoax, the Filegate hoax, the Chinagate hoax...and none of them worked because there was no there there. But then they found out he was having adulterous sex, and voila, they impeached him. (And remember too that Newt Gingrich's office admitted they also had a Gore strategy they'd use to get Al out of the way so they could seize power. An NBC reporter talked about this one morning on Meet the Press, but it was never mentioned again.)

Bill Maher fails to comprehend that the Republicans are ruthless, amoral, totalitarian thugs whose ultimate goal is to concentrate the wealth and power our country in their own greedy hands.

It ain't about blowjobs, Bill.
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Sweetpea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 11:16 PM
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58. Whew!!!!! Tell it!!!!
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-03 06:45 AM
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61. Well stated, indeed !!
"The Republicans believe that they, and only they, deserve to run the US government, and if the people elect someone else, well, they feel morally justified in using any dirty trick, any sleazy, gutter tactic to undermine and destroy American democracy by changing the results post-facto. "
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October Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-03 08:04 AM
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66. You nailed it!
Thanks Monchie. I've read every post, and yours is spot on.
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TryingToWarnYou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-03 06:59 AM
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63. You guys might be missing something....
Theres an old saying: Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer.

Maher, before anything else, is a comedian. I have no doubt that he was exaggerating his relationship with Coulter (one of his most frequent guests). Even if he is friends with her, so what?

Look at it this way: Every time she is on, she spews her weirdness and everyone goes "whaaaa?" when she makes some quantum leap of logic and they see what an idiot she really is. On the nights she is on, I never miss RT because its always good.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-03 07:42 AM
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65. Nope. They're birds of a feather - spewing for different politicalsegments
They are both equally cynical profiteers, hateful, self involved people that make money by exploiting political convictions of others. It's only normal to be friends.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-03 09:00 AM
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67. You care about the opinions of entertainers and who their friends
are?

No offense but turn the teevee off darlin.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-03 10:23 AM
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70. It's all show business folks
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1opinion Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-03 10:38 AM
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71. Diversity of opinion is good
I think that Bill may be a bit shallow, but he is right about diversity of opinion. All of my friends are neither all liberal or all conservative. If all of your friends all one or the other, than you are not as open minded as you may want others to believe you are and you are only fooling yourself.
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MaverickX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-03 10:42 AM
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72. no...
We don't know what she's like off camera.
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Sweetpea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-03 12:24 PM
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73. Maybe my Topic should have read
At what point do you stop calling someone a best friend? When they are about to mount a horse wearing a white hood or does the degree of people's opinions not matter?

I mentioned Amiri Baraka and Khaled Mohammed early not because I endorse them but they have been treated like pariahs because of the anger they represent. It would not be considered acceptable and cool if Bill Maher had said Amiri Baraka was his best friend. Arsenio Hall's show was cancelled not too long after having Farrakhan as a guest. But for Bill Maher to have unpartiality, he has to have a hater as a best friend.
I am sorry, the people she reveres in her book destroyed lives. I think if the tone is being set like this in America, it will only get worst. When people see someone on television frequently, they develop an air of credibility. I never want to hear someone saying that other races are culturally inferior get props for being an expert.

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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-03 12:52 PM
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75. I have conservative friends
Hell...my second mom is a hard core Bush supporter, but you know what, I still love her. We just never really talk politics or religion. EVERYONE has so much more about their personalities than just politics...and as much as I that that hypocitical bitch, Ann may be a good friend. She may also suck a really good dick. I know I had a lot of friends in my early years of college based on the fact I had those abilities. lol (yes, I'm female). I'm the only democrat in my family. Everyone else thinks the sun rises and sets out of bush's ass crack. And I still love them.
And I do think Ann is an expert. She's an expert in HATE, LIES, IDIOCY, and BACKBITING.

One of the really great things about the Bill Maher show is that he always has all sides covered. It's really great that he lets all sides of the argument in on the argument. I respect him for that...and he does say a lot of really witty, brutally honest, incredibly INTELLIGENT things. I consider myself a moderate Democrate...on most points...on some points, I'm very liberal. But I agree with Bill on a lot of things...
Oh, and if Bill ever goes off, I think need we to replace him with George Carlin. THAT is one intelligent man.
Duckie
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-03 12:49 PM
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74. it raises questions in my mind as to
Maher's intelligence and principles.

if you judge people by the friends they keep - Maher would be scum or at least very ill informed.
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