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ALago1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 09:39 PM
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The 'pugs are desperate re: F911
Edited on Fri Jun-25-04 09:44 PM by ALago1
I was watching "Scarborough Country" where he is dedicating his show to slandering Moore's movie. However, its all just hot air.

One of his "experts" claimed that in the movie Moore was anti-US troops and that he didn't focus on U.S. troops maimed in the war.

Ummm...if you've seen the movie, the images of GI's with their legs and arms amputated still linger with you to this very moment. This is leading me to think that this hack, whose name I can't recall, is just saying anything to get people not to see this movie and has not even seen it himself - they are beyond scared.

Also, good ol' murderin Joe keeps claiming "nothing in this movie is true" yet offers no refutations to the claims Moore puts forth.

Mr. Moore, you've done a great job in getting these fools riled up.
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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 09:41 PM
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1. Oh ya...Jack the analyst
and Scarborough tried to shut the lady up because they refuse to hear the truth! You know damn well, they are/were to see the movie. They're all shaking in their skibbies!
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 09:43 PM
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2. Have any of these RW pundits said whether they've actually SEEN it?
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ALago1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 09:59 PM
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5. They don't care
They just want to slander...
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 09:44 PM
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3. Don'tcha just love it?
Everything is True in this movie and if a lowlife like joe cared about his reputation ..he wouldn't get up there and lie on something so blatant that the whole world could call him on it.
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 09:45 PM
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4. Hey Joe!
Where's Lori K.?
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 10:07 PM
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7. Was she pregnant?
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RoBear Donating Member (781 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 10:01 PM
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6. Saw that Republican idiot
and just came on line to alert others. That Repiglican asshole kept saying Moore was making fun of the troops. THAT'S A FUCKIN LIE!!! There was no such thing in the movie that did any such thing. Wanted to alert others to this particular lie--only one among many...
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 10:13 PM
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8. "How can he get away with these lies!" Such as.....?
They can't really name any lies.

They whine that he "didn't show both sides." What's the other side?

They say it's anti-Bush... Well, a documentary showing the truth about what Hitler did would be anti-Hitler. And had it been shown to Germany in the 1930's, it would have been helpful.

The only thing they keep whining about specifically is "Richard Clarke approved the flights that took the bin Ladens out of the country." It's like they watched the first 20 minutes and stopped. And naturally they ignore the fact that Clarke said he took responsibility for his own actions in giving final approval, but it's not as though those flights were his idea and he was the only one who said yes -- in fact, he questioned the orders. And, the film does show newspaper clippings stating that Clarke approved the flights.

Flimsy excuses for their hysterics, seems to me!
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 10:18 PM
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9. What was Flavia Colgan talking about in the St. Pete Times?
She kept asking Joe if he had read an article in today's paper but when I looked at it I couldn't see any article.
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 10:22 PM
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10. just saw some idiot on CNN with Aaron Brown...
he said that mikey should have had an opposing pov to make the film 'fair' or some rot wot wot.

AS IF there's been a proper opposing point of view to this travesty Bush has unleashed on all of us while media heads nodded in his agreement, including Aaron fuckface. Now he's becoming 'fair and balanced'. piss off, respect lost is damn tough to regain, try as you might.
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progdonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 10:31 PM
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11. was he a plant, or something?
I hate to jump to weird conclusions, but he really gave off the vibe of being a RW plant. It wasn't simply that he didn't like the movie, since I'm sure many average people will not like the movie for whatever reason. However, he kept making a point of saying, "You know, I'm not a Bush voter." Also, almost every single one of his criticisms was practically a RW talking point verbatim.

It reminded me of people like Colmes and people further to the right bashing the Left and then saying "and I'm a liberal!" to try to hide the fact that they're just RW shills.

Did anyone else who saw it that get the same feeling?
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 10:36 PM
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12. Okay. So news stories can be slanted but movies need to be "fair"?
what ridiculous alternate universe are we living in???? This is insane. So did Mel Gibson get any crap from people who said the opposing pov should have been given in order to be fair???
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 11:07 PM
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15. Actually, I remember quite a few Jewish spokesmen making the rounds of
the blabfests opining that Gibson should have treated the Jews more fairly in his movie. Of course, such observations weren't nearly at the level nor intensity the RW is unleashing on MM.

Besides, look at all the good Xtian folk who got even MORE religion watching that S&M snuff film!
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Still_Loves_John Donating Member (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 10:45 PM
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14. What's doubly ridiculous
is that ALL documentaries have a point of view, they are not unbiased. The point of a documentary is to present an argument. Unless you're, you know, making a documentary on the life of a baboon, you will have a point of view that you will make known to your audience.
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Mizmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 10:39 PM
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13. I will never forget the soldier who lost his hands
My life revolves around my hands ... writing, typing, petting the cats, ruffling my child's hair. What will he do now? Who will pay for expensive prosthetics? The man reminded me of the victims in Sierra Leone. His image made me want to smack Bush across the mouth.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 11:12 PM
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16. Remember: Scarbourough KILLED Lori Klaustis!
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 11:35 PM
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17. I missed this part of history...Who's Lori Klaustis??? n/t
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William Seger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 12:19 AM
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18. Scarborough 's "review"
Scarborough also has a "review" on the MSNBC site: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5296236/

I went to see "Fahrenheit 9/11" Thursday expecting to be entertained despite political objections, but I was wrong. To say Moore took liberty with the truth would be like saying that Ken Lay took liberties with Enron's accounting practices. Fahrenheit 9/11," like Enron's accountants, obviously figured that when it came to making money, the end justified the means.

In both cases, the scale of deceit and deception is breathtaking. Though I'd need four hours to tell you the list of all the falsehoods from Moore's two-hour movie, let me give you a few glimpses into his twisted logic:

Moore's movie begins by pitching his conspiracy theory about the 2000 election. We're all told in the audience by all recounting methods Al Gore won Florida. That drew a big gasp from the crowd. But, shockingly, this first fact cited by Moore's movie is a lie. Didn't anybody associated with Miramax or Michael Moore's movie read newspapers after the election, when some of America's most liberal papers published results from their independent review of Florida's ballots, concluding it was George W. Bush who won by all recounting methods?


But, shockingly, this first "deceit and deception" cited by Scarborough is a lie. The independent review of Florida's ballots that Scarborough refers to concluded that Bush would have won in Gore's proposed four-county recount or in the "undervote" recount ordered by the Florida Supreme Court, but if all Florida votes were recounted, including overvotes where it was clear which candidate was selected -- i.e. if there had been an honest attempt to find out who really won Florida -- then Gore would have won. What "Fahrenheit 9/11" says is accurate.
( http://www.commondreams.org/views01/1115-02.htm )

And what of the second conspiracy theory, suggesting that George W. Bush kept Americans grounded after 9/11 but let the bin Laden family escape American airspace scot-free? An FBI agent suggested President Bush's action was an insult to 3,000 dead Americans, while Democratic Senator Byron Dorgan dramatically demands on tape that we must have an investigation to find out who approved this.

But Michael and the senator both know who approved the bin Laden transfer: It was none other than that Bush-bashing hero of the left, Richard Clarke. He admitted it in the 9/11 Commission. Now, it's funny how Michael Moore used Clarke's 9/11 testimony to bash Bush in other parts of the movie, but decided to edit out that part that lays waste to bin Laden-and- Bush conspiracy theory.


Actually, Richard Clarke testified to the Senate Judiciary Committee on September 3, 2003, that he approved these flights, but he said that "it was a conscious decision with complete review at the highest levels of the State Department and the FBI and the White House." Again, "Fahrenheit 9/11" is accurate.

At this point, considerably short of four hours, Scarborough runs out of ammo and simply lists several "slanderous conspiracy theories" which "Moore seems to promote," all of which he dismisses with a wave of the hand: "Now, there are hundreds of conspiracy theories that are simply unsupported by the facts." This is immediately followed in the same paragraph with this change of subject:

But Moore goes on to show pictures of dead Iraqi babies, followed immediately by American soldiers talking about the rush they got listening to rock C.D.s while they shot at anything they moved in Iraq. Why didn't Moore just write "baby killers" on the screen and point to U.S. troops?


There are numerous documented reports of troops shooting civilians in Iraq, but pro-war neocons would like for us to believe that those were just an aberration. A few weeks ago, I talked to a young man who had just returned from Iraq. He was a squad leader in his platoon. He said that for most of his tour, he had been in Falujah where his squad was assigned to street patrols. He didn't mention any specific incidents, but he told me directly: "I told my squad, if any shit starts happening, take out anything that moves." He also told me directly that he had no respect for the Iraqi people -- "ragheads." In 1969, having a low draft lottery number, I joined the National Guard and went to Fort Polk, Louisiana, for Basic Training and AIT. The training cadre there were almost all Vietnam vets. Those vets had an identical attitude: when "shit starts happening," you shoot anything that moves. My brother was sent to Vietnam, combat infantry, and spent about six months of his tour in the Mekong Delta. I'm ashamed to say that he told me of three incidents where they had shot civilians because "you don't know which of the 'gooks' has an AK-47 under his pajamas." John Kerry gets Scarboroughed and Limbaughed for talking about it when he came back, but it really happened, folks, and it sure looks like it's really happening today in Iraq. This is just what happens -- what you can expect to happen -- when you take pumped up combat troops among civilians, dehumanized as "gooks" and "ragheads." in a guerrilla war situation.

Fuck Joe Scarborough.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 12:23 AM
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19. Movie REVIEWERS need to be fair--at least watch the dang flick!
It sounds like they're throwing up whatever concepts the focus groups tell them will get people angry and saying F-911 represents those concepts.

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susanna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 12:43 AM
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20. OT, I know...
Edited on Sat Jun-26-04 12:44 AM by susanna
...but does anyone else notice the resemblance between Mr. Scarborough and Tom Tomorrow's "everyman"? It makes me laugh. He looks just like the cartoon! Which is a good thing to me. :-)

edited because I forget what I mean sometimes...
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WLKjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 12:46 AM
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21. um yeah right joe scumbago
your experts suck, there is plenty of pro GI stuff in the movie and does focus on those who have lost limbs you stupid shit. Wheres your mistress, OH YEAH you FUCKING KILLED HER!
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