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WLKjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 11:39 PM
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A Freeper Take on F 9-11
Fahrenheit 9/11
JamesBowman.net ^ | 6/23/04 | JamesBowman


Posted on 06/25/2004 3:13:26 PM PDT by swilhelm73


It is not quite clear, going into it, why Michael Moore should have chosen to take off Ray Bradbury’s title — Fahrenheit 451 — of a story about book-burning in order to make what seems an even feebler joke than usual in the title of his anti-Bush screed, Fahrenheit 9/11. Indeed, in one of the film’s already-famous scenes, President Bush is shown reading a book — My Pet Goat — to some school-children in Florida immediately after being informed of the 9/11 attacks. But if Mr Moore doesn’t seriously try to pin the rap of being a book-burner on the President, it is one of the few crimes or derelictions of duty committable by men in power that he doesn’t charge him with. Bradbury’s dystopia, otherwise unmentioned, looks forward to Orwell’s in 1984, from which the filmmaker reads in closing. He means to suggest that George Bush’s America is at least a stage on the way to, if not yet a perfect copy of, Big Brother’s Oceania.

A little over the top? You or I might think so, but Michael Moore was born over the top. In fact, the only top he’s ever been under is the Big Top, and his new film is every bit the circus that Bowling for Columbine or Roger and Me was. These are movies to pump up the faithful, not to persuade the wavering, to feed the prejudices of the haters, not to impress the genuinely open-minded. As a skeptic about the war in Iraq — and one with a son quite likely to be sent there — I was most disappointed with the quality of the polemic in Fahrenheit 9/11, which begins with election night 2000 and every loony leftie’s favorite conspiracy theory before September 11th, namely that of the "stolen" election.

Now if I were to offer just one piece of advice to Mr Moore it would be that he could strengthen, not weaken his case by a diminution of the number of faults he has to lay at the President’s door. Say he did steal the election. Wouldn’t it be better to let that one slide if your real object is to demonstrate that he also went to war in order to line his own pockets and those of his buddies? Doesn’t the unified field theory of presidential wrong-doing carry just a tiny bit less conviction than a tightly-argued case against one or two misdeeds? Can we really stay angry about a war fought for — allegedly — nothing while we’re laughing at John Ashcroft for singing a corny song of his own composition? Or maybe he doesn’t really care if we stay angry, or focused on actual misdeeds, so long as he can get a laugh out of audiences smug in their sense of effortless superiority to the President and his administration?

One thing that is clear is that Michael Moore is a stranger to all forms of restraint, and that he is able to find anti-Bush material in just about anything. To him, the president is guilty both of stupidity and of diabolical cunning, of laziness and of leading the march to totalitarianism, of cowardice and of insouciance under pressure in that Florida classroom — Goat-gate, as perhaps we ought to call it — of fear-mongering in order to sell the war and of neglecting warnings of terrorist activity, of over-zealousness about security and of laxness about security. Not only is he guilty of all these things, his whole family is. So are his friends. So is his administration. As he has done in his other films, Mr Moore stalks his subjects when he can and digs up out-takes from television appearances when he cannot. The funniest of these comes right at the beginning of the movie, when Paul Wolfowitz is shown spitting on a comb before running it through his hair in preparation for a television interview.

What kind of monster is this? The scene is only the prelude to shot after shot over the opening credits of the administration’s rogues’ gallery being made up for TV appearances — Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell, Ashcroft, Condoleezza Rice and, of course, Bush himself. Admittedly, some people do find this funny, but don’t even good presidents wear make-up on TV? Does anyone seriously believe that make-up implies phoniness? I suppose that could explain Mr Moore’s own slovenly, shambling appearance. Even so, it is hard to imagine anything phonier than making a case against the war which never engages with a single serious argument in favor it it — apart from, inevitably, the familiar Weapons of Mass Destruction.

That one is of course taken care of in advance by the film’s demonization of Bush. Anyone as wicked as he would obviously not hesitate to lie about the WMD even if he knew they did not exist. And so the charge that he did know is suggested without ever being made. Every other aspect of the case against Saddam Hussein is forgotten in the depiction of happy, smiling Iraqis whose little paradise only came to an end with the dropping of American bombs. Both here and in his presentation of the bereaved mother of an American soldier killed in Iraq, whose grief Moore milks for all it is worth, he is at his most unconscionable. In wars people die and are horribly injured. The fact ought to make us hesitate and hesitate again ever to go to war, but it is not in itself an argument for or against war’s necessity — except for those whose minds are already made up.




I guess you just can't show them the wrongs of thier ways and the kind of people they stand behind. For god sakes, quite treating bush like he never ever did a damn thing wrong. Get it freepers, your guy LIED, he and every one around him, including you are LIIIIIIIIIIIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRSSSSSSSSSSSSS and you got CAUGHT! how do you explain all the bush speak caught on camera???? morans.
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 11:42 PM
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1. They are now desperate
because they know that they are wrong and have been all along and that a cultural crotch kick of biblical proportions is heading their way, so they are wildly swinging at anything as they go under the kool aide waves for the third time.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 11:43 PM
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2. It doesn't sound like he saw the movie...
but cut out a positive review from the paper and went from there.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 11:46 PM
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4. Totally agree
The case about the Saudi-Bush connection alone was scathing, and this "reviewer" doesn't even mention it (just like the ones in the newspapers!). This is a "review" of Michael Moore, not his film.

Typical.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 11:43 PM
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3. This twisted bastard never argues with the facts
He simply doesn't like Moore or Moore's message. Too bad.
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 11:48 PM
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6. That's the first thing I noticed too...
... he didn't dispute any of the facts, just made general comments.
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 11:46 PM
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5. We on the Left have been wondering the same thing for years
Bush; Crazy or Evil? This appears to be the reviewers biggest problem with F9/11. Hell, how could Moore know? NO one's figured that one out yet.

When I see Dubya in Hell, I'll ask him.
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 11:49 PM
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7. Anyone remember Bush and the fireman's badge that he
held up in his speech after 9-11? He told how the fireman's mother came up to him. Her son had been killed in the building collapse. She gave him the badge. It played very well.

Unfortunately, someone pointed out that the reason it was in the speech is it worked so well for Daddy in GWI. And, the lady didn't come up to Bush and give him the badge. The Bush people, wanted to redo the Bush 1 speech had to find someone who's son died and ask for the badge.

At least Mr. Moore's movie was real, unlike everything Bush has done.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 11:56 PM
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9. Make no mistake, everything bush does is real - regrettably real
It is just that ALL the justifications for what he does are fake. Every God Damn time.
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Still_Loves_John Donating Member (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 11:52 PM
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8. What?
"Does anyone seriously believe that make-up implies phoniness?"

Uh, no, I don't think that they do. This guy is doing what all the Republicans are doing right now, tearing down these paper tigers that they pretend are the film's arguments. They know that if they portray the film in a false light, the swing voters won't go. And they NEED to go. It's disgusting.

And I LIKED the makeup scene. It was very theatrical, the way they were all getting ready at the beginning and taking off their mikes at the end. It reminded me of stage blocking in it's artistry.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 12:03 AM
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10. Correction.
... To him, the president is guilty both of stupidity and of diabolical cunning, of laziness and of leading the march to totalitarianism, of cowardice and of insouciance under pressure in that Florida classroom — Goat-gate, as perhaps we ought to call it — of fear-mongering in order to sell the war and of neglecting warnings of terrorist activity, of over-zealousness about security and of laxness about security. Not only is he guilty of all these things, his whole family is. So are his friends. So is his administration...

Ahhhh actually no. Moore claims the president is guilty of indifference and diabolical cunning, laziness and allowing others to lead his march to war, of cowardice and a false bravado, and of mismanaged/misplaced security efforts.

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mike1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 12:05 AM
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11. That is a very interesting review: It's not really all that deprecatory..
to the movie it seems to me and you might agree if you read it carefully. I don't have time right now to paste & comment on the whole thing, but read it slowly and again.
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GaryL Donating Member (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 12:08 AM
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12. Well what an invalid piece of shite!
Lord this is poorly written. The writer makes a lame attempt to sound literate and not only misses the point of the film but that of Orwell's 1984. If the writer of this crap happens over this, Orwell's book was about MEDIA CONTROL. The personal attacks which follow are so outside of any factual information as to be embarrassing for the author, let alone the reader.

Personal gripe; why can't the "other side" produce anything better than this? I was a member of my collage debate team and this tripe would have gotten me skinned alive.
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Enraged_Ape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 12:10 AM
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13. I have yet to see a single RW review that addresses facts in the film
Not one. And I've seen at least three dozen of these clowns spout off. I seriously doubt even one has even SEEN THE GODDAMN MOVIE.

They've been caught dead to rights. They know it. Michael Moore's smartest move in this film was to let the dumbasses in charge speak and act for themselves.

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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 08:15 AM
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14. Yes. Using original film clips and showing newspaper articles to
prove all his points was genius. What he obviously wants is for people to do is say WTF? to themselves, and ask themselves why they didn't know all this stuff before from the librul media?
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