Fahrenheit 9/11 forces the paradigm shift

[Carl Brennan]

in conciousness. The American public is transformed. From here on the Bushies will try to defend their indefensible position with plea bargains of one kind or another as public fury mounts. Cheney may be "resignated" for health probs mental and otherwise; then McCain will fill the VP billet; then Bush will resign on August 4, 2004 to commemorate Nixon's resignation on the same date 30 years previously. McCain will pardon Bush like Ford did Nixon and the Iraq war will wind down like Vietnam did......except that the US has 14 bases in Iraq and plans on keeping 100,000 troops there indefinetly. The key for the Empire, represented by dems and cons alike, will be to keep Iraq out of the limelight as much as possible..... a "trouble spot" that needs maintenance.

McCain will run against Kerry for president :tinfoilhat:

The democrats will show their true colors (Repug lites) and maintain Iraq as a colony for the Empire.

The BFEE will continue though on a much lower key.

[Nevernose]

1. Abu Ghraib is to F9/11

As My Lai was to Tet offensive. Just a working theory.

[Carl Brennan]

16. One difference I've thought of in that regard

as well as the difference between Iraq and Vietnam in general is that the corporatists have duped much of the American public into thinking that Iraq was a threat to the US. But I agree that Abu Ghraib and My Lai are similar.

[Jade Fox]

18. That's because they have to....

In the days of Vietnam they could just say they war is about fighting
Communism, and everyone would fall in line. That no longer works.

[Carl Brennan]

19. Now, it seems, terrorism has replaced Communism in that

regard. The Republicans were caught off guard by the Cold War ending, they now have a new enemy that is even more of a threat.

[Jade Fox]

22. 'terrorism has replaced Communism in that regard'...

Youbetcha, and don't they love it. They NEED and all-purpose enemy,
and one who is a demonstratable threat is a dream come true.

[Carl Brennan]

23. What really worries me is that Al Qaeda is

so much like the terrorists in Orwell's "1984". Seldom if ever caught and verified, never prosecuted, but somehow people believe they are really there as Big Brother depicts them. Very scary how easily people are manipulated even with the benefit of hindsight.

[hang a left]

2. I have had these thoughts......

with this outcome and also the outcome of Kerry winning the Presidency and finishing what *scumbush and co. started.

But, I think what is going to happen that will be the precursor is the Plame indictments.

I wrote this in another thread earlier.

"You know I have been thinking about this for almost 24 hours now. The way things are going for this criminal cabal right now does not look good.

We have torture-gate, Plame-gate, No Iraq=Al Queda-gate, F911-gate.

We supposedly have indictments coming down very shortly.

It is like everyone knows they are going down in flames. Olsen announces he's leaving, Tenet has bailed. Even the SC kicked the Cheney case back to the lower court, which is not a win for Cheney, it is just a delay (maybe they know something).

Something really BIG is about to happen, I feel it. We are seeing the beginning of the end, I think. I don't know what it is, I can guess, and have. But I just really feel like something huge is getting ready to explode.

Something that will make * lame. I am starting to wonder if he will even be on the ticket come November. I feel like we are being set up, primed for something.

Don't mind me I don foil for every ocassion."

[Carl Brennan]

3. Good points. Here is where we see the true

nature of Empire USA reveal itself. The Empire's goal is to secure the second largest supply of oil in the world combined with a strong political alliance with the largest supply (Saudi Arabia) that can be converted into a colony at some future date using any number of rationales. This will maintain the "dollarization" of oil for the foreseeable future.

But the big problem is that the environment is in serious trouble and alternatives to fossil fuels must be found and brought on line. The only way to get alternatives to oil online is to stop the BFEE's market monopoly.

[hang a left]

4. Not just the BFEE

The Grand Chessboard players.

[Carl Brennan]

8. Bush has neutralized Brezizinskis other players

with the audacity of its incursion into Iraq and Afghanistan. They won't be venturing far afield to contest the US in its attempts at world domination--they will leave that up to the domestic resistance forces.

The US could lose a thousand or maybe two thousand troops a year in Iraq to maintain the flow of oil. That the US is committed to this task is evident by the bases cited above.

[hang a left]

11. Where do you think Iran fits in?

What do you think Russia and China will have to say?

[Carl Brennan]

14. Iran was listed in the original "Axis of Evil".

It is/was a key player in the drug trade, like Afghanistan, according to McCoy. But if Iran minds its manners it may be left alone for some time.

Russia and China are pretty much out of it in my opinion, though the latter may assist domestic resistance forces if the US becomes too belligerant. But I think these two countries reactions are some distance in the future. Iraq will settle down and the new "imbalance" of power will be accepted. Both countries can be placated by business deals.

If the US just goes along and occupies Iraq indefinitely that will be the end of bringing alternative fuels on line in any substantitive way and may well be the destruction of the planet environmentally. If we go through this cycle of moderate to conservative democrats cleaning up after the elephants rampage and then the elephant comes back in the few years and does it again that could be the end of the earth environmentally.

[Enraged_Ape]

7. When FOX News gave F-9/11 a glowing review, I knew Bush was gone

The powers that be have decided to cut him loose. I knew it was a matter of time before they realized that a smart, charismatic puppet in the White House is better than a dumb, apelike one. And smart, charismatic puppets are a dime a dozen. (Wink Martindale's even looking for a job. So who needs Bush?)

[aquart]

5. We need the little prick on the ticket.

We need galvanized voters. We don't want just the Presidency. We need the Congress.

But I do believe that terrified Republicans will dump Bush in an attempt to keep the Congress. This won't be a dull convention in NYC. I'm expecting a bloodbath and not in the streets.

[aquart]

6. Anyone know any Republican delegates?

I'm wondering if there's been any talk of conscience votes?

[Enraged_Ape]

13. The beautiful thing is that Chimp and Poppy will never sit still for it

Though I'm feeling more and more sure that their puppetmasters really do want the little dumbass replaced. Why on Earth wouldn't they? They can get smart, charismatic crooks anywhere.

But Chimp's ego would never, ever allow him to be replaced. He will have to be dragged kicking and screaming from the White House. And that's even if he loses in November.

[Carl Brennan]

15. Bush is just a sleazier version of an already sleazy and

corrupt political system that, as it exists, is not going to do anything to solve the problems the Public faces. What I am hoping is that Moore's movie will be the first among many that will move the US Public toward a more active and sustained participation in politics. That, in my opinion, could change the world for the better. Baring that not much change can be expected.

I think that America is a country full of sleeping liberals right now who are being gamed with all this terror. Read "The Emerging Democratic Majority".

[Jade Fox]

20. If they do it will make them look very bad....

It would be tantamount to admitting he's been a disaster--THEIR disaster.
I think the will stick with Bush. Unless of course they can come up with
some health/family excuse. Which no one will buy.

[I thought so.]

9. Sorry.

Mccain can't run. He is comitted to re-election to the senate.

[hang a left]

10. I am sure he would rather be a senator than the president. n/t

[ShaneGR]

12. A pig just flew by my window!

Pink invasion!

[Carl Brennan]

17. Was it a dream?

:evilgrin:

[skooooo]

21. Cart before the horse...

...it will take a LOT of people seeing the film before anything is transformed. F911 has had a good weekend, but still only about 2.5 million people saw it. It will take a LOT more people seeing it before anything substantial happens.

Only time will tell.

[Carl Brennan]

24. That's what I'm banking on, that alot more people will see it.