Am I the only one that doesn't much care about Fahrenheit 9/11?

[Mattforclark]

I already know enough not to vote for Bush, (as, I suspect) most everyone here does. So why should I bother shelling out ~$10 watching that movie? Can someone explain what the big deal is?

[Mizmoon]

1. If you have to ask, you'll never know eom

[susanna]

29. Very zen...

...I like! :-)

[thebigidea]

2. Say, here's a thought. Why not read some of the threads?

[Mattforclark]

6. I have

[thebigidea]

8. and you're still asking "Can someone explain what the big deal is?"

Maybe you missed ceasefire's review.

What a bizarre question. Ah well, whatever entertains you, I suppose. Good luck with the thread.

[Eric J in MN]

3. Don't go to any movies you don't want to. (nt)

nt

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

4. Its a good film, that's why

Don't go if you don't want to

Whatever

[mdmc]

5. its the ritual of it all , man.

If you got ten bucks, and are thinking of seeing a flic SEE THIS! Its like posting on DU!

[Tosca]

7. Yes.

/Am I the only one that doesn't much care about Fahrenheit 9/11?

[JusticeForAll]

9. huh?

Do you realize how many people this movie is going to impact? People who are fed Fox News all day long?

It may only be in a 860+ theaters, but each is packed to the gills. This is big.

This movie is not for you I guess, but it is big even if you have already decided not to vote for Bush.

[Liberal Veteran]

10. It's a cathartic experience!

Go see the movie.

Laugh...cry...get angry!

It feels so good to sit there in a theatre full of people cheering a movie that gives voice to what you know in your heart!

[drthais]

11. how about this:

it was a huge relief
to be in a crowd of people
who feel THE SAME WAY I DO about all this
it was cathartic
and WELL worth the $

besides, you can take a fence-sitter with you

[formernaderite]

55. The movie will have little impact....but I'm happy to join the chorus...

...going to see it. I deal with contractors and sub-contractors, electricians and plumbers all day. None of these guys plan to see it...regardless of whether they'd agree or not. It's just not their bowl of chili.

[Bandit]

58. They will if their girlfriends want them to

There will be pressure put on them by friends and others to at least see it.

[formernaderite]

59. Not happening, at least in my mostly blue collar circles...

...there are unwritten rules at play here. You won't see these guys in a chick flick, let alone a documentary.

[Eloriel]

12. Everyone knew the story of Apollo 13

and still went to see it, and still watch it on TV when it comes on.

Don't be silly.

[cureautismnow]

13. Try a Cheap Matinee

I paid $4. If you get bored, just observe the audience as MANY people's eyes are opened up to the truth that we've known all along. That's priceless. :)

[still_one]

14. The pictures from Iraq are unlike anything you have seen

the media here has presented us a censored view

[annagull]

15. Because you will actually SEE for yourself what you never saw

like the bodies of the soldiers, kids; how this war was started to take the heat off the Saudis. I am a pretty well informed person, and there was so much that was new to me, and mindblowing on the big screen. Spend your 10 bucks on a 12pack of beer if you like, but I think it is well worth the money.

[TrustingDog]

35. we have become so stupidfied with the 'collateral damage' word

these are real people hurting real bad because Bush and his criminals need their blood and suffering for thier own gluttonish agendas.

[MontecitoDem]

16. I think you ARE the only one!

It was a fine movie to see - so if you like movies go see it. It was moving and sad and funny and infuriating.

You should shell out $10 to support the alternative view being presented. It's less than you pay for cable news or internet service and it's important that the movie succeeds.

Hope you get a chance to see it (or rent it!)

(Besides, MattforClark, you can also do it to help support Michael Moore, since he supported our guy in the primaries - another good reason.)
:toast:

[armymom]

17. From the perspective of a soldier's mom & veteran

I'm new to this site, but have been a "fixture" over on the Kerry and Clark blogs. I posted here earlier today after my husband & I had seen the movie, but it seems like all of the threads here are scattered. Over at the Clark blog, we have a topic where many dems are posting reviews of F/911. Please come post your reviews of the movie and read what many of us have said about the movie - if you don't have a Clark login, you can still post - please put your blog name from DU on your post so we recognize you. We are posting reviews at http://armymom.forclark.com/story/2004/6/25/171113/799 and suspect that MM will be seeing them, as he too was a Clarkie! Please pass this info along so we Dems can unite in support of our soldiers and in opposition to Bush and his assinine war!

Thank you! Armymom, a veteran and mom of 1st Cav soldier currently in Baghdad.

FWIW, my review of the movie is:
As many of you know, my husband and I are both Army veterans - and our oldest son, David, is an infantry soldier with the 1st Cav in Baghdad. Photos from Iraq online at http://tinyurl.com/2qalg

We just got home from seeing Farenheit 9/11, and it was an emotionally draining experience for us. It was a very well-done movie. Some of the Saudi-Bush stuff was a bit over the top, I thought, and there were some gory scenes of both civilian and military casualties, as well as a few vignettes that did not portay soldiers in a good light, but in toto, I felt like the movie was favorable to soldiers and their families. I wish that Moore hadn't included a few soldiers reveling in killing Iraqis and speaking in a dehumanizing way, but there were so many scenes and interviews with soldiers that depict things that our son has described to us, as well as many similar sentiments about the mission at present.

We went to a 130 p.m. showing in the Huntersville/Lake Norman, NC, area, which is fairly Republican. Not only was the theatre nearly sold out, there was an amazing cross-section of viewers - teens, middle aged, many elderly (a surprise to me), African Americans, grunge kids, college kids, you name it. There was much applause, laughter, and a few shouts at Bush throguhout the movie. At the end of the movie, a lady stood up and announced that she was handing out voter registration cards - and there were many takers, most of whom were young and/or African American.

There were several segments of the movie where we both covered or closed our eyes because it was hard not to imagine our son in place of the injured or dead soldiers depicted. It is for that very reason that I think everyone should see this film, because so many people don't have a clue what is really occurring in Iraq on a daily basis and how abandoned and betrayed many of our soldiers feel.

I know that our son will likely see this movie in Iraq this weekend, as pirated DVD's are available as soon as movies appear in theatres here. Ironically, we are apprehensive about David seeing it because of the political buffoonery it shows and the further demoralization that seeing the portayal of the Bush Administration in this light could cause.

We give the movie 4 thumbs up. Everyone should see this movie so that they can see the reality of the occupation of Iraq.

[NNadir]

18. Personally I'm not that crazy about Michael Moore.

I wish I could follow him around with a camera and ask him again and again and again if George W. Bush is really the same as Al Gore, the notion that Mr. Moore went out his way to advance in 2000.

I'd love then to turn the camera on the paranoid Repuke fascist pig Ralph Nader and ask Mr. Moore if this really is a decent human being worthy of support by those who (claim to) give a shit about working people. I'd love to interview the people put out of work when Nader fired them for trying to organize a union against his sweatshop working conditions, people maimed in the war in Iraq because Nader was musing about Microsoft dividends and NBA officiating, people killed by the same Bechtel stock in which Nader has interest, etc, etc.

Unlike Michael Moore, I fucking knew who George Bush was from the very beginning. Unlike Michael Moore, I didn't set out to make lots of money off the election of George W. Bush, something for which Mr. Moore has more than passing responsibility.

I'm glad Moore's now preaching to the converted, but it's a little late. He could have worked to stop this in 2000.

[thebigidea]

21. geez

"I wish I could follow him around with a camera and ask him again and again"

And I wish you were paying attention when he apologized.

[NNadir]

27. I'm sorry but his apology undoes nothing. He supported a Repuke in 2000.

And now he's making money off the results.

I would be far more impressed if he donated the proceeds to blown up kids in Iraq, or John Kerry's campaign, or MoveOn or some other function.

He loves to point fingers, and of course it's a good thing that he points fingers at Bush, but it's four very, very, very tragic years too fucking late.

[thebigidea]

28. Yes, because Moore hasn't donated time or money to MoveOn. Sheesh!

You might want to know what you're talking about first, eh?

"but it's four very, very, very tragic years too fucking late"

Those 4 years could turn into 8. Best of luck assembling only the pure of heart to prevent that.

[Nikki Stone 1]

22. Do you have a link to some of the 2000 Moore statements?

Thanks in advance.

[Tosca]

23. Unlike Michael Moore

You haven't produced a scathing indictment of the current administration in film.

[NNadir]

24. I was on the other hand flinging scathing indictments of Bush while

Moore was supporting the paranoid Repuke fuck Ralph Nader.

In Moore had instead carried his fucking camera around and examined who exactly the fuck Ralph Nader was, maybe Ralph Nader's Republican propaganda would not have resonated quite so well with the politically niave and the completely stupid.

I am sick of this Moore, Ivens etc bullshit crowd that wants applause now. They could have opened their fucking mouths in 2000 and saved their country and their planet a tremendous tragedy. Fuck Moore.

Instead they had their heads up their asses.

[thebigidea]

30. God, that's hilarious. Thanks for the laugh, I needed it.

Night!

[Tosca]

31. Yeah

And maybe Mike could have sent gamma rays into Scalia's and Rhinequist's ears directing them to do the right thing and let Florida count the votes, too.

Where do you get off, anyways?

[NNadir]

34. I get off by recognizing that Moore's propaganda for the Repuke Nader

sucked.

I'm sorry that people have such a short attention span. I don't. Maybe if we didn't have people with such short attention spans, in other words if had people who thought as opposed to worship the intellectually suspect, we wouldn't be in this mess.

I repeat. Moore fucked up royally. He's making money off the tragedy he helped create. I'm not fucking impressed. If he were using his big burst of publicity to excoriating his former (paranoid psychotic hypocritical) Repuke candidate Pig Nader for having the temerity to be bashing the Democrats at a time like this (and I HAVE NEVER HEARD THE PIG NADER CRITICIZE THE REPUKES), I might forgive the fat creep Moore. As things stand, I don't forgive him and I don't worship him.

I'm not going to mindlessly worship Moore because all of a sudden he's understood who Bush is. I and millions of other people knew long ago who Bush was. He wasn't Al Gore, who was a far more decent human being than the Repuke pig Nader. Here's where I get off and here's where I get on: Moore is four years too fucking late.

[no name no slogan]

36. Yes, it's all Nader's fault-- he's obviously the root of all evil

Not only that, did you know that he's also the major cause of tooth decay? And I think I heard him trash-talking yo mamma, too....

Jesus H. Tapdancing Christ on a popsickle stick, are we done fighting the last war already? Al Gore certainly is, and he had the most to lose! Or maybe we need to attack the south again for seceeding from the union? Better yet, let's run those rotten redcoats out of Boston and tell them where to shove their tax stamps.

For fear of sounding like yet another broken record, Nader has as much to do with Gore "losing" Florida as Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris did-- or the 30,000 FL Democrats who voted for Shrub.

Gore ran a shitty campaign. He lost to an imbecile. Any man who can lose to a plant doesn't DESERVE to be president.

[NNadir]

40. Nader is a Repuke propagandist. IS not WAS.

Why don't you get it through YOUR head: It's not about Florida. It's about lying.

Even if Gore had carried Florida by a million votes, Nader would still be contemptible.

The fact is that Ralph Nader is a pig who NEVER mentions the criminality of the Republicans and who acts like the Democrats are the main problem in America. Here's a clue. There has never been a worse human being in the White House than George W. Bush. The fact that Republican creep (now holding Nazi Pat Buchanan's mantle as "Reform Party" candidate) Ralph Nader doesn't see this speaks volumes.

Naderists of course want to deny responsibility for their duplicity (or stupidity) by the old expedient of blaming Gore, but Gore, unlike Nader, is working his ass off to save his country. Gore is decent and Nader is, let me say this clearly: A REPUKE SERVING PROPAGNDA DOUBLESPEAK PIG.

Without sounding like an obvious record, I don't really give a shit about Florida and Gore's campaign. I DO CARE ABOUT LIES. Nader is a liar. Whatever the failings about Gore's campaign in 2000 he was not helped by the Republican CNN corporate whore Nader's propaganda into which fraudlent fucks like Moore bought in, hook, line and sinker. Nader was a liar in 1970, a liar in 1980, a liar in 1990, and a liar in 2000 and Nader is a liar in 2004 (I suggest you look into enough history to find out if the hypocritical fuck Nader bought Ford stock just before exposing the career. People who identify Nader as some kind of a hero neither can think or read.

You want to make this about Gore. I want to make it about Nader and his supporters. Examined by their own criteria, and this is the point about Moore BTW, they are frauds and hypocrites. They are people who make money and gain prestige with lip service instead of action.

[Jose Diablo]

47. Agree on Nader

The guy was a puke when he wrote the book "Unsafe at any speed" and he still is a puke.

I personally liked the Corvair. It had a lot of features I thought were good.

Nader rode his crusade against corporations into a position to do something about corrupt corpoarations. Then it was nothing accomplished except a few "consumer Protection" rights. Which did not address the core problem, corporate personhood.

Nader is just another sellout. We get a lot of politicians that sellout.

[GreenPartyVoter]

54. "Major cause of tooth decay" *lol*

[Columbia]

43. Somewhat of a point

Michael Moore sure has made a lot of money in the last 3 1/2 years hasn't he?

I wonder if he would have made as much if he had campaigned for Gore instead of Nader or not campaigned at all for that matter...

[NNadir]

46. Not very much I'd guess. Moore would be nowhere without Bush.

This movie will be his "killing."

On some level, it's rather disgusting. He supports a Repuke in 2000 and gets lots of money for bashing the other Repuke in office, while gathering rote unthinking praise for his "artistry."

For my money there might be some value in writing the word "skam" in front of the word "artist."

[BlueCollar]

19. You go because

the Freepers put so much effort into trying to kill the movie before it even showed.

Think of it as your civic and moral duty...

THE FREEPERS AND FUNDIES WANT YOU TO STAY HOME AND THEY WANT THIS MOVIE TO JUST GO AWAY

Get it?

[physioex]

20. It your money, it's your choice...

However I ask to you support the efforts of Michael Moore. Also the theaters who decided to show this movie. It's not perfect, but you might notice something you didn't realize....

[Journeyman]

25. There's absolutely no reason for you to see it. . .

most especially since you have no desire to see it.

You say you know as much as you care to know about the BushCo situation (and if you have the level of knowledge a regular DU reader would have, you know enough and the film won't teach you anything substantially new), so why waste your time -- unless you feel a review is needed.

I went to the film because it is a remarkable opportunity to make the knowledge we share here available to the general public in an easily digested manner. Most people don't read, unfortunately, so a film such as this is probably the only way knowledge of BushCo can become generally known. And because I want to discuss the film with my less-knowledgeable friends, and most especially because I want to recommend the movie, I felt it important to see the film. I took my family, too, and was happy to see them at last understand the bigger picture I've been trying to inform them about for years.

So save your bucks. If you don't feel you need any more info to make up your mind about Shrub, you probably wouldn't learn anything remarkably new, or at least new enough and important enough to justify the expense.

But if you're not going to go, why don't you consider paying the way for someone who may still be sitting on the fence. That's something else I plan to do, and it was yet again another reason for me to see the flick before I send others to see it.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

26. Incidentally - if you don't care about it - why you bringing it up?

Is it an attention thing?

[ParanoidPat]

32. I would imagine YES to your question and Yes to the original post!

:evilgrin:

[dansolo]

33. It is for the people who don't know enough not to vote for Bush.

That is what the big deal is.

[Tosca]

37. And that's my biggest fear...

That this movie will only be preaching to the choir.

I hope not.

[ibegurpard]

38. Here's a reason

Even if you think that you know everything in the movie and have no reason to want to see it, if it can be shown that there is actually a market for this political point of view, then that would go a long way towards nullifying the "there is no market for liberal political discourse" bullshit.

[in_cog_ni_to]

39. We have been suppressed by the media

for so long....it was a RELIEF for me to see the things "I" knew, in this movie. Now the Faux News Sheeple who go to see it, if they care to, will know the truth. More importantly....the fence sitters will NOT be fence sitters after seeing this movie.

[mellowinman]

41. Nearly four years of...

Hi, I'm Tom Brokaw. Tonight, on the Liberal News, "Why do Liberals hate America?"

Hi, I'm Dan Rather. Tonight, on the EXTREMELY LEFT WING CBS: "Why do liberals hate America?"

Hi, I'm Peter Jennings, Liberal from Canada. Tonight on the Whacky, Left Wing Commie ABC: "Why do liberals hate America?"

Hi, I'm Rush Limbaugh. Are you TIRED of the Liberal media lying to you? Well, I'll tell it to you straight. Liberals don't just HATE America; they want to kill your babies, and make you have sex with people of your same gender.

-----------------------------------------


And you have to ask what the big deal is? An actual MAINSTREAM movie that has "Bush is a lying sack of shit" as its central theme?

Man!

Most people here are saying, "Fine; if you don't want to see it don't see it," so I'm going to go the extra mile.

I DEMAND YOU GO SEE THIS FILM NOW!!!!

GO!!!!

IF YOU DON'T, YOU'LL BE SORRY!!!!!

I INSIST, AND WILL NOT TOLERATE ANOTHER EXCUSE!!!!

[Columbia]

42. Because some of that $10 is going to come back to me

So who else bought up Lions Gate stock like I did?

Muahahahaha! :evilgrin:

[KeepItReal]

57. Happy 2 contribute!! Now go to Starbucks for me!!

:-)

[ContinentalOp]

44. It's an event.

I've never been to a movie screening that felt quite like this. It was really an event, like going to see Rocky Horror but much more powerful. Please forgive the Rocky Horror reference :)

[drdtroit]

45. Uhh..

"I already know enough not to vote for Bush, (as, I suspect) most everyone here does. So why should I bother shelling out ~$10 watching that movie? Can someone explain what the big deal is?"

I already know that red, green and blue are the primary colors so why bother gazing upon and contemplating a beautiful sunset? :-)

[lil-petunia]

48. Because ignorance is bliss?

And you really need to open your eyes and brain?

This movie is making history, and making Buch/Cheney look like history.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

49. Did you see any of Moore's other stuff? He's a very good filmmaker.

That's one of the best reasons to see this. Do you go to see any movies at the theater? If you do, would you rather go see "White Chicks" or something than f911?

[Mountainman]

50. I probably won't see it. I can't stand to see the violence of war.

I hear there is a beheading and plenty of gory war coverage. I've seen enough of that in my life time. I can no longer watch that stuff.

I hope the movie helps defeat Bush but for me, I'm already sold on defeating him. I saw parts of Bowling for Columbine on TV and turned it off because I agree with it already. I like things that teach me something I don't already know.

Also I enjoy not following the herd.

[emulatorloo]

52. Go and Take a Right Wing or Independent Friend. . .

They probably don''t know about the Bush - Bin Laden - Saudi connections. It will open their eyes.

The film is really well made, and really moving. You should see it.

[RetroLounge]

51. Oh I agree completely

I refused to see Private Ryan, or Pearl Harbor, or The Longest Day, or Band of Brothers, etc.

After all, I already knew who won the war.

Can someone explain what the big deal is? (In reply, I doubt it...)

<sacarsm off>

RL

[emulatorloo]

53. Please Go and Take a Right Wing or Independent Friend

There is much in the film that they won't know about. Bin Laden Bush Connections, abuses of patriot act, the sham that is homeland security.

The film is really well made and moving too. . .I cried several times.

[Aunt Anti-bush]

56. What is important about it is ...

that there are so many who don't know what we know and now they will find out the truth about *. That is VERY important. I am not too concerned about the fact that I just cannot afford to go see it right now because I know about everything in the movie, but my neighbors and family and friends don't and now they will.