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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 10:57 AM
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Will we back the CBC THIS time, when more votes are "lost" than in 2000?
In the 2000 presidential election, 1.9 million Americans cast ballots that no one counted. "Spoiled votes" is the technical term. The pile of ballots left to rot has a distinctly dark hue: About 1 million of them -- half of the rejected ballots -- were cast by African Americans although black voters make up only 12 percent of the electorate.
This year, it could get worse.

These ugly racial statistics are hidden away in the mathematical thickets of the appendices to official reports coming out of the investigation of ballot-box monkey business in Florida from the last go-'round.

How do you spoil 2 million ballots? Not by leaving them out of the fridge too long. A stray mark, a jammed machine, a punch card punched twice will do it. It's easy to lose your vote, especially when some politicians want your vote lost.

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KeepItReal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 10:59 AM
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1. Ask Daschle, Kerry, etc...
So much for "One Man Can Make a Difference", huh?
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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 11:00 AM
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2. This is the one thing that really pissed me off when I watched Moore's
film it seems the only ones with any courage in our party are the CBC.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 11:02 AM
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4. The fact of the matter is, that people who are generally
comfortable in their lives tend not to do anything that will disrupt them.

This is why we don't need a congress comprised of millionaires. Most of them are interested in maintaining the status quo. It's usually the people who have nothing to lose but everything to gain who will fight the hardest.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 11:25 AM
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9. the CBC is also the only Moonie faction in the dem party
I didn't see Tom Daschle at Reverend Moon's coronation, just Danny Davis, Elijah Cummings, and some republicans.

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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 11:01 AM
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3. If Kerry is willing to fight, I'm sure Reps and Sens will fight with him.
If he waives the white flag, I doubt anyone will step up to fight his battles for him.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 11:03 AM
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5. But it's NOT his battle. It's the country's battle. WE can't
let our system fall apart like this.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 11:23 AM
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8. We have to put people on the top of the ticket who are willing to fight
hard for us, and I think Kerry is willing to fight hard for us.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 11:06 AM
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6. Well he wasn't willing to fight in 2000 so I won't hold my breath
but maybe it's different when he is the candidate.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 11:22 AM
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7. He wasn't willing to fight a battle Gore surrendered, which is a differnt
thing.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 11:40 AM
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10. If he doesn't fight, we should anyway.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 12:30 AM
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15. For what? Gore said don't fight for me.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 02:29 PM
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13. It was the DLC that thought it was better to leave it alone
Al Gore was vehement but the party just did nothing to back him up; status quo is pretty comfortable. So is being the broker for the loyal opposition to the great corporations.

This same underlying current pervades the Kerry campaign today.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 12:29 AM
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14. Toobin says the moring after the election, Gore was already ignoring
the advice of experts telling him how to conduct the recount in order to win (and the consortium recount later showed they were right). Did the DLC get to him before then? Did the get to him before he sent Al and Jesse home? Or when he switched from Tribe to Boies for the second SCt argument? Or when Joe sold out the military ballot strategy?

I don't doubt the DLC got to Gore. But I think they got to him before election day.

I think they got to him sometime before he picked Lieberman and decided to put all his eggs in a Florida strategy basket.
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keithyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 12:59 PM
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11. I thinks the CBC should say: "If you don't give a damn, neither do we."
If votes are stolen in this next election it will be up to others to fight...the ones who have the most to gain or lose.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 02:21 PM
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12. So, what will we do about it?
If it all comes down to recounts and the SCOTUS again, what do we do?
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 12:30 AM
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16. Nominate candidates who will fight for us.
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