"F9/11 is bombing"

[Bluebear]

My 2 favorite posts I read on Yahoo today:

'F 9/11 is bombing. It's only done 8 million its first weekend. Now maybe the liberals will try and spin this and tell you 8 million is a lot of money but in the movie world only 8 million the first weekend means the movie will probably end up having a hard time just covering its initial cost and advertising and it certainly won't be a blockbuster.'

and

"We snuck into Farenhite 911 last night. My husband took me for a "date" last night to the movies, the boys Meemaw watched them to give us a night out. Anyhow we wanted to see what filth Michael more put in his film but we WON'T give him any money so we bought a ticket to another movie and snuck in. We felt like little school kids again =) Anyhow we walked out half way through, what a bunch of lies and filth. This film will not play well in Mississippi I can tell you that already, SAVE YOUR MONEY k? =)"

The fundys are a-tremblin'.

[NMDemDist2]

1. 8 Mill in 800 theaters, you do the math eom

[Bluebear]

4. They can't do the math....Is our children learning?

[fizzana]

5. And that's Firday only - not the whole weekend.

n/t

[Guaranteed]

69. EXACTLY.

In three times as many theatres, like other movies are getting, that would be almost 25 million in ONE DAY.

[stickdog]

6. One night. (nt)

[Th1onein]

55. I think that $10,000 PER DAY, PER THEATRE is damned good.

And, yes, of course, the right wingers are going to try to spin this their way. Fortunately numbers are numbers, and they don't lie, like the bullshit rhetoric I heard today, from Bush, during the Irish interview (how can anyone buy into that crap?).

WHY, oh WHY, doesn't someone ask Bush, "How can you say that the torture of these people was "just a few bad applies," when you, yourself, spent taxpayers' money to pay a lawyer to check into how much torture you could do, and get away with?

They are going DOWN, and this film is going to do it. FUCK them.

Democrats have been on the defensive for years, and I am sick of it.

[Deja Q]

58. Precisely. And I bet Walt Disney is crying over his lost 'revenue'...

LOL to Disney, they don't deserve anything that's truly good anyway.

[King Of Paperboys]

LOL

They need to check their sources...

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/daily/chart/?sortdate=2004-06-25&p=.htm

It's not just the #1 movie in America... its per-screen average is almost FOUR TIMES that of the second place movie!

[dennis4868]

19. They need to check their sources...

their sources are probably the same source for the WMD claims...

[bunk76]

30. Sources,they don't..

need no stinkin sources. :evilgrin:

[Bluebear]

60. .

[linazelle]

2. In other news, it's opened on more screens and made more than

in documentary's opening. Let them spin to their hearts' content. The truth is out for all to see.

[stickdog]

3. You want the truth? You can't HANDLE the truth!

Wahhhh, wahhhhh, it's not fair!!! Mommy, make the bad fat man STOP!

[Caution]

7. lol

8 million on a FRIDAY. You know, where the first 4 showings are during work hours? it should do $20,000,000 over the weekend. It is easily on track to be the #1 movie in America next week. It will easily destroy all records for a documentary. And it will have done this with 1/3 of the amount of screens assigned to any normal summer film on opening weekend.

[Bluebear]

22. 20 Mill would be so sweet! Disney stockholders should sue!

[Cha]

31. Yes, indeedy....sue a ream right up

mike eisner's, scaredy pants, ass.

[dennis4868]

8. The repubs....

keep saying the movies has all kinds of lies and then they never tell what the "lies" they are talking about...

[DoYouEverWonder]

72. That's their new mantra

It's amazing how they can even know this, if they haven't seen the film yet?

The best is to see clips of the film and then to listen to some Bu$hbot try to claim that the scene was nothing but a bunch of lies, despite the fact that the footage was from actual events.

[calimary]

9. I like this line:

"This film will not play well in Mississippi I can tell you that already, SAVE YOUR MONEY k? =)"

May not matter if it's playing well everywhere else (except maybe in that particular little corner of Mississippi).

[Bluebear]

12. Yet they felt compelled to "sneak in" and see it!

[PaDUer]

45. Do you know if cameras

are allowed in theaters? I'd like to take pix of the local repukes at the show tonite that I know..

[dennis4868]

15. is Mississippi

still considered to be in the USA? Sorry to all Mississippi DUers.....

[Bluebear]

21. "We left half way through" and "snuck in"

Evidently their Mississippi neighbors wouldn't cotton to seeing these folk watching that thar movie. Wanna bet they didn't leave halfway through and were transfixed through the end?

[Walt Starr]

33. Actually, the entire thing was probably a lie

They have pretty good security in movie complexes these days ebcause so many kids by "G" tickets to sneak into "R" movies.

The theater management is especially good checking tickets for "R" movies.

Their entire rant was a lie.

[doni_georgia]

56. F911 did better opening day per theater than Harry Potter 3

Harry Potter Three Opening Day:
$38,268,295

- / -

3,855 theaters / $9,927 per theater

Fahrenheit 9/11 Opening Day(estimate numbers calculated before all theaters in US had closed for the day)


$8,200,000

10921.5% / -

868 theaters / $9,447 per theater

$8,358,000 / 3 - Movie ranking for the day (3rd people including wide releases!)

[merh]

40. Some of us in Mississippi still live in the U.S.

and in this century too mind you. Unfortunately it would appear that a majority still live in the confederacy.

We are political and social retards, always two steps behind the rest of the nation. (During the vietnam era, it wasn't until 2 years after woodstock that anyone tried to buy tickets to the show.)
We just voted one of the nastiest, slimiest, loathsome GOPs into office as our governor. Barbour, former head of the RNC, worked for Raygun, owns one of the largest lobbying firms in D.C. - he has dreams of taking over where * leaves off. And then again there is Lott, need I say more?

But there are progressive, liberal minded citizens who pledge allegiance to the U.S. living here. They are just terrified. Seems that if you are a dem or contribute to the party, you are persecuted and indicted by the DOJ/USattorney.

[HootieMcBoob]

51. Nothing seems to do well in Mississippi

Don't they have the worst jobs record and poorest education and health of any state in the nation? I think they do have a pretty high infant mortality rate though and their unemployment numbers are really high. Yup, keep electing those Republicans and everything will be AOK....right Mississippi?

[riverwalker]

67. Mississippi G-Damn

was listening to Nina Simone on the way to the theater today, actually. She sang "Mississippi Goddamn" the song about racism and why she left the south. Ha Ha that post made me think of it.

[Beware the Beast Man]

10. Sorry, dear Freeps, this one's un-spinnable.

8.2 mil on 868 screens? In one night? Sorry, but that's a blockbuster number, especially for a documentary. Oh yeah, and it never hurts to spell-check either :evilgrin:

[Eric J in MN]

11. The weekend isn't over yet (nt)

nt

[Gothmog]

13. F 9/11 was playing to sold out theaters here in Houston

The movie has to be doing very well.

[Misunderestimator]

49. It's been selling out in Florida too...

The only time I've been to this local theater and seen a full capacity audience.

[AntiCoup2K4]

14. Freeper "logic"

"I'd rather spend 8 bucks on a movie and not watch it than give any money to that goddamn commie Michael Moore"

let em waste their money. At least you know they won't be sending it to either Rim Job or Junior this month.

[onethatcares]

35. and we cheated and bought tickets to another movie

sounds like those that hate tittie bars but have to go there to complain about them. for instance, " I had the worst night of my life watching those girls bounce around after paying a $16 cover charge, not one of them left with me" " what's up with that?"

Damn if they're sneaking in to see a film they hate, don't they realize the irony?

[neuvocat]

46. LOL!!!

Great point!

[Th1onein]

57. Some fo them are amazingly stupid, aren't they? Maybe that explains why

they're what they are?

[maveric]

16. Whats a "Meemaw"?

[jjmalonejr]

20. Some kind of freeper code from Grandmother or something?

[GreenPartyVoter]

24. Southern nickname for Gramma

[carpetbagger]

28. Goes with Papaw

I first became familiar with it when I moved to West Virginia.

[jjmalonejr]

17. Bombing?

$8 Million
#1 movie
Opening Night
Documentary
<900 screens
Besting many films playing on almost 3000 screens

Yeah, it's a real bomb. Jackass.

[Bluebear]

47. PS just reporting, that's not my sentiment! :)

[sable302]

18. good grief...it's only Saturday afternoon

I haven't even had a chance to make my bed yet, much less make lunch and plan the rest of my day. How can one say only 8 mil the first weekend when the weekend has barely begun?

[Bluebear]

43. That reminds me, I should eat lol

[GreenPartyVoter]

23. Other places to see RWers getting their panties into bunches

http://forums.delphiforums.com/n/main.asp?qu=moore&webtag=bully&ctx=search&cl=1259&af=31&o=relevance&be=0

http://www.politics.com/discussion.html?cid=1&mid=217807#217807

http://www.christianforums.com/f181

http://p086.ezboard.com/faskmenfrm11.showMessage?topicID=6768.topic

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/deface_the_nation/

[Pachamama]

25. F 9/11 BEAT THE PASSION OPENING DAY $$$ PER THEATER!!!

THIS IS AWESOME!

The Passion opened on Ash Wed. 04 and had 3006 theaters, but the earnings per theater were $8,835 as opposed to the $9,447 for F 9/11. On the first Friday released, The Passion brought in a theater average of $7,529!!!
Also, traditionally in the industry, Sat nite sales tend to be larger....

:kick:

What will the conservatives say to that?

[Cha]

34. Hee Haw! Take that ...

you Poor, brainwashed, chicken!

[Cyrano]

26. Went to a sold-out showing of senior citizens in Florida today

Not only did they "get it," the laughed and cheered in all the right places and stood and applauded at the end rather than rushing for the exits in time to make the early-bird specials.

Also, heard from a friend at Fort Lewis, Washington that almost everyone on the base couldn't wait to see it. Shrub ain't gonna get the military vote this time around.

[Bluebear]

27. I loved the 2 senior citizen ladies in the film

The audience cheered at their disgust!

[Cha]

37. Oh yes! That reminds me!

Those two ladies, who were playing bingo, in Flint Michigan, knew more than the heads of abc, cbs, nbc, cnn, msrnc, fauxsux..

[King Of Paperboys]

38. I wanted to kiss those broads!

They made me PROUD to be an American!

[anarchy1999]

70. They were an absolute treat to watch and to hear from.

n/t

[SOS]

29. The English usage of Bush supporters is funny!

"Farenhite"
"Meemaw" (?)
"Michael more"
"anyhow, anyhow, snuck, snuck, filth, filth, k?"

:eyes:

[wuushew]

32. The movie has already paid for itself

it's revenue has exceeded it's production cost by almost forty percent. How can it be a business failure in any sense of the word?

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=fahrenheit911.htm

[ibegurpard]

36. This is the funniest thing I've read in a long time!

#1 film, 1.5 million more than the #2 film and playing in 1/3 of the theaters and it's a bomb? What a fucking "moran!"

[Enraged_Ape]

39. The movie cost 6 million and it's made at least 8 as I type this

Good Lord, Republicans really DO SUCK at math!

[Touchdown]

44. It's not profitable yet. An explaination...

$6M is the production costs. You factor in printing, distribution, and advertising you have to double the cost of the film for it to make a profit. IOW: It costed $200M just to MAKE Titanic, so for it to break even, it had to make $400M, which it did easily. By contrast, Waterworld costed the same...$200M, but took in only about $88M in it's theatrical run, and $120M in overseas sales, and videos in 1994. WW was a bomb. Only recently, in 2001 I think, did WW finally turn a profit because of DVD re-release and syndication sales.

F9/11 will have to make $16M to turn a profit for everybody involved. Which it could do by the end of tonight. It will be well on it's way to major bank on Sunday though.

[Enraged_Ape]

74. Even so, I would hardly call it a "bomb"

Following your specious "double the cost of the film" rule-of-thumb, I come up with $12 million dollars, not 16. But whatever.

[Touchdown]

76. It's not "specious". It's been reported for years now.

Every time an expensive film comes out, it's repeated. It's a standard rule of thumb, but not always accurate for every film. Look at Variety, Entertainment Weekly, etc. They've all one into the explaination. Theater owners take a bit of your $9, the distributer takes some more, the advertisers (marketing companies are hired to sell films, make commercials and trailers) take their bite, and what's left (about 60-80%) is then split up among the chief players that made the film.

"...It is this commonality between production budget and domestic box office that makes them a perfect fit for measuring the relative success of a film?s performance. There is a certain consistency with both and both are always reflective of how much effort a studio has put into a film - also how much faith it has in it - and how receptive the biggest moviegoing market is to it. A production budget is an upfront cost that is carefully decided upon and gives us a hint of the expectations surrounding a film. When the budget is set, the studio already knows how much intends to spend on selling the film, so while we might never know what the value of those expenditures will be, we can have an idea of what they are relative to other similar films. At the same time, domestic box office is a reflection of how a film will do in its entire lifespan across all revenue streams. Comparing the two against each other is only natural.

This leads us to conclude that comparing a film?s production budget versus its domestic take is an accurate way of measuring a film?s relative success. If a film does not at the very least recoup its production budget, it almost is certainly a disappointment to the studio releasing it. With all the costs associated in developing, selling and distributing a film, it is critical for films to exceed their production budget with the domestic gross alone. This can be said with the caveat that very few films actually lose money. It?s an old Hollywood adage that every film, given enough time, breaks even. Ultimately, making movies is still a business, and if a business is only turning a small profit on an investment, and a long-term investment at that, then the investment can be considered detrimental to the overall goal of the business...."

http://www.boxofficeprophets.com/column/index.cfm?columnID=8359


Like I said (which you obviously ignored) it will most likely turn a profit from Saturday's reciepts...Leaving the rest of the theatrical run in gravy.

Your right, profit would be $12M. I was doubling Friday's take. My mistake.

Why is it, when one gives a clarification, it's automatically assumed to be some "specious" attack by a freeper? Get over yourself! You are NOT THAT IMPORTANT to the world.:eyes:

[Enraged_Ape]

78. "You are NOT THAT IMPORTANT to the world!"

You are too funny. And I mean that in a nice way, not in a "My God, this guy has a pathological persecution complex and a dangerous hairtrigger" kind of way.

[Touchdown]

79. Nobody says my shit is specious and get away with it.

So there!:P

[Enraged_Ape]

80. Oh, yeah. Well, go FUCK YOURSELF, FREEPER!!!

I'm kidding!!! Peace, bro!

[U4ikLefty]

82. LOL...good job EA!!!

n/t

[Touchdown]

77. More info about a film's TRUE cost.

"Beyond what a studio has to spend to actually make a movie, a studio will have to invest a considerable amount of money, and effort, to try and promote its film; after all, selling your movie is second only to making it. It is common to have movie trailers, an essential part of selling any film, contracted out to third-party companies who specialize in producing trailers at a considerable cost. Television ads also play a huge part in advertising a film and command big dollars, depending on when they air. For example, Sony paid over $2 million for a 60-second spot during the series finale of Friends to advertise Spider-Man 2. Throw in the costs of Internet marketing, print ad marketing, and other creative ways of marketing your film (see Sony?s MLB advertising fiasco that originally cost them more than $1.5 million) and you are looking at huge costs.

-snip-

Now that a studio has made the movie and convinced fans to see it, the costs of the film are completely gone, right? Wrong. Printing a film costs money. Producing a print costs over $4,000 per print. Of course, this is a print count and is very different from the screen count that is currently used to gauge how widely a film is distributed. Films with a 3,500 screen count will likely have print counts north of 4,500. Knowing that, we can see that a studio that wants to print 4,500 copies of its film will pay over $18 million to distribute it. A movie looking for a more conservative release of, say, 2,000 prints, still needs to spend at least $8 million just to make it available to its potential audience. Here, too, our exec gives us a hint that the costs can get even steeper still. ?On Van Helsing, Universal spent $3 million extra just (to) rush prints?they had to print the movie at the last minute to widen the release.?

-snip-

Ultimately, a film?s true cost is reflected in what needs to be spent on developing it, producing it, marketing it and distributing it. Only the cost of production, what we have been calling the production budget, factors into our everyday analysis of whether a film is doing well or not. With this in mind, in our next chapter we will look at the true total revenue brought in by a film. This will eventually lead us to a more accurate understanding of why production budget vs. domestic revenue is a good measurement of success. "

http://www.boxofficeprophets.com/column/index.cfm?columnID=8353

Interesting site. Very informative.

[seabeyond]

41. so basically the christian fundies are saying dishonesty is

something for them to giggle about and not be concerned in implementing in their lives as they judge the whole world

i step back as the lightning bolt comes down, lol and a wink

[Bluebear]

42. You got it.

[renegade000]

48. because the first day is obviously the first weekend...

honestly...how can people be so utterly retarded?

[Lydia Leftcoast]

50. Let's see now, here in Minneapolis

it sold out three screens in a single theater all day Friday from 11:00AM to 12:20AM (that means after midnight, folks) and was moved across the street to that company's auditorium sized theater. This afternoon, I went through the area on the bus, and the there was a line all the way down the block where that larger theater is located, i.e. from corner to corner.

Yeah, this movie is a turkey, all right. :crazy:

[peacetalksforall]

52. Hey Mam - this is a documentary. Documentaires don't fill theatres

like this one is.

[playahata1]

53. Yeah, it's "bombing," all right.

ON BUSHCO.

[doni_georgia]

54. 8 million in one night? That's incredible for a docu

showing in 800 theaters - that's $10K per theater - showing at an average of $8 a pop (including matinees) - that's 1250 tickets for each theater. Saying that they had 8 shows yesterday each that's approximately 156 for each showing in every theater that is showing the film. In comparison, Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban opened in 3,855 theaters, and grossed opening weekend $93,687,367. That's Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. That's 24,302 per theater. Divide that by three for the number of days, and you get $8,100 for one day. Divide it by $8 per ticket and you get 1012 tickets for each theater per day. Begin to see how big this movie is???

[anarchy1999]

71. You are doing too much math for the Freeps to handle. Take care.

We were at the Magnolia in Dallas on Friday evening with a group of 10 we paid for. There were at least 100 of our friends and associate activists from all across the board. The Womens Business Network even had a special meeting and had lots of people there and they were first to be let in (50+ at least). To our delight this film has sold out all over DALLAS. Bush's real home. What happened, Bush?
www.halliburtons.com be sure to check out "Lick Bush".

I feel sorry for the freep at the top who snuck in and said what "she" did about the film. If she feels so strongly, why did they bother?

[nolajazz]

59. LOL. AP: F 9/11 Positioning It As the Weekend's No. 1

...

The fury over "Fahrenheit 9/11" resembled the firestorm created by Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ," which rose to blockbuster status amid debate over whether it was anti-Semitic.

"It's like how 'The Passion of the Christ' redefined what a certain genre of movie could do at the box office, 'Fahrenheit 9/11' is doing the same thing," said Paul Dergarabedian, president of box-office tracker Exhibitor Relations. "This blows away any conceivable record for box office of a documentary."

http://apnews.excite.com/article/20040627/D83F3UB00.html

[ThePandaBear]

62. This movie is doing much better than I expected.

Having only 1/3 of the theaters of a normal mass marketed film, It is still the #1 film in America. Too bad many mainstream theaters aren't showing it. The multiplex near my house isn't running the film, yet they are showing "White Chicks" five times. I had to drive across town to an old 1 room theater. And in some cities, this film isn't even being shown. If this film opened up with the amount of showings that the garbage "White Chicks" is, this film would probably make over 50 million opening weekend.

I bet all the theaters that are showing "White Chicks" all day, but won't even show Fahrenheit once are regretting it now. They lost 7,000$ per theater per day on that decision.

[Seabiscuit]

61. What "weekend"???

The numbers are only out for Friday.

[jobycom]

63. My Mom from Mississippi is coming to Austin to see it

because supposedly the only theater showing it in Mississippi was in Tupelo.

BTW, I guess they realize that $8 mil was for the first day, not the whole weekend, and that it could break the previous documentary record by Monday. And that it's projected to be the biggest movie this weekend even with limited screen showings.

[Endangered Specie]

64. Some simple math... (hope the freeper trolls can follow this)

Some facts:
$8,000,000 gross total FOR ONE DAY (edit to add that)
divided amongst 800 theatres.
= $10,000 a theater
whose average price per ticket = $9
=1111
and has an average of 5 showings said day.
= 222 people per screening, though I imagine that is less in the afternoon and more at night.

[JCMach1]

65. try 20-30million for the weekend

That's what it is looking like.

[freeforall]

66. Yep, it's bombing...

bombing Iraq, that is.

These freepers are so stupid it's unbelievable.

[riverwalker]

68. smell that?

take a deep whiff. Ahhhhhh. It's the delicious aroma of freepers sweating buckets.

[dmr]

73. It would have made even more money if

more theaters showed it and if it was available throughout the country!

Most people who have to travel to see it will do it on a week-end, not on a Friday.

I went to the first showing here on Long Island. Originally only a small handful of theaters were showing it. Others have now picked it up and are adding more screens at the multiplexes.

[molly]

75. Meemaw? Is that something like yeee-hawwww?

their education level and IQ are showing.

[Zomby Woof]

81. Zomby's Law of Inverse Fascist Lying

The more intense and false their denial and ignorance, the more truth, facts, and history are on our side. Fuckers. :-)