So is there any Democrat you won't vote for against Bush?

[gully]

Curious is all...

You can tell by my avatar where I stand. :D

Hoping to remain respectful here mmmk? Yea, I know boooorrrink!

[goobergunch]

1. No.

I'd even vote for Zell Miller over *.

Of course, I can't vote in 2004 (age), but that's another matter.

[Cha]

17. I didn't know you were so Very Young!

:-)

[GOPBasher]

58. You know so much; I can't believe how young you are.

That's amazing! Judging by your posts, I thought that you were definately an adult. More than that, I actually thought you had some kind of career in politics. I can't believe that. Here's to you!
:toast:

[Clete]

2. Nope,

not even Holy Joe. Bush out of our White House in 2004 or else.

[Friar]

3. nope

[Jacobin]

4. Lieberman the PNACer will not get a vote from me.

Fortunately there is no hope of his nominaton

My major issue is the fact that Smirk is trying to start WWIII. Lieberman is no different.

I will not support a warmonger for president.

[lancemurdoch]

85. No for Lieberman for me as well

If Lieberman wins, I'm voting Green - I'm 100% sure of this

Kerry looks like he's in the same category probably, I'm very, very doubtful I'd vote for him.

Dean - I don't know. I could see myself voting for him, but I could also see myself not voting for him.

I think it would be better for Bush to be president than Lieberman. At least the Republican in office would be called a Republican and all blame would be fixed to them.

[Raenelle]

92. I will never vote for Lieberman.

Think about it. What if it was a Democrat in office now acting like a fascist. Then it would be like the 60's. The "liberal" choice is unacceptable; the conservative choice obviously, always, even less so. What's left? What then with the anger, frustration, hope? What if the person in office now was only being criticized from the right, as not being fair enough to the rich or militaristic and macho enough in their foreign policy!!! Trust me on this, it is unimaginably awful not to have anyone who speaks for you and not to have any hope that there ever will be such a person.

[JackSwift]

5. Nope

I'll even vote for Al Sharpton. Although part of that would be to stick it to dittoheads for Rush endorsing him cuz he thought it would be funny.

I won't vote for Nader over Bush though. I can't tell the difference.

[bocadem]

6. Probably not... but if there was one

It would be Lieberman - He's a freak.

[Breezy du Nord]

7. Probably not Joe Liebermen

as Jon Stewart said:

"The people who vote for Liebermen will be the ones that wanna vote for Bush but don't think he's Jewish enough."

[never cry wolf]

8. nope

there just CAN'T be anyone worse.

[MiltonLeBerle]

9. Lieberman.

I'll vote for a third party before I vote for Joe.

[Ardee]

10. sacrificial lamb here

I will not vote for any candidate, from any party,who supported the Iraqi invasion, the Homeland Security Act, the Patriot Act or is perceived by me to be another version of Bush, or a more palatable- because-he-is-a-democrat-but-will-effect-no-change type.

[laura888]

12. well said! n/t

n/t

[gully]

13. I think there are many ways to 'effect no change'

KWIM? Sometimes change is a slow process. :shrug: And, unfortunately who ever sits in the OO will have to work with 'everybody' to effect change.

[TahitiNut]

80. "slow process"???

Some do not see proceeding in the same fascist direction at a slower rate as either "progress" or "improvement".

[Clete]

14. Who will you vote for to keep Bush out of office?

There is no one is there? Anyone you vote for that is not a Dem candidate, no matter how much you have to hold your nose, will give Bush another four years.

[lifelong_Dem]

21. So you wouldn't have voted for Paul Wellstone?

He voted for the Patriot Act, you know.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

44. Thanks

Paul Wellstone and 97 other Seanators.

[Darranar]

64. Dennis Kucinich is your man, then...

unless you count Howard Dean, who wasn't able to vote on those issues.

[roughsatori]

11. You mean if they get the Democratic nomination I would think.

I say anybody but Shrub, but I wonder. I have my doubts about Lieberman and Clark (if he declares). Also anyone having voted to give Shrub the power to do whatever he wanted in going to war, I now am starting to think that those Democrats abrogated their duty.

I live in a rural town that is suffering under this Administration, jobs are going, funding for projects is stopping. I have money in the bank and a home but many are not as lucky. So, as much as I dislike the corporate values of some Dem candidates, the people who live in my area would be better off with any Democrat and I must vote for that candidate while holding my nose.

I have friends who were born into more upper-middle class areas, who think the answer is to vote Green and thereby foment a revolution. But I just can't watch the number of children who can't get health-care, and adults laid off from jobs go on.

[gully]

15. Right, if they get the nom...

:D

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

16. Yeah. The 4 guys who voted for his war.

Flame away. It's lunchtime anyway.

[jenk]

18. none, I can't stand Lieberman but he'd get my vote

And I won't think twice about it.

[Blue-Jay]

19. I'd vote for Lieberman if I had no other option.

I'd do it, but I'd still take a shower as soon as I got home. bleh.

[Code_Name_D]

20. Bush is just a pupet. Its the GOP we should be conserned of.

It's one thing to vote for any one but Bush. But this sentiment misses the larger problem. Do not forget Clinton beat Bush one, and yet here we are. Just simply voting for a Democrat is not going to help. Joe Leabermen, who may as well be a Republican, and Dick Gepeartd, who has no backbone, will only slow the march of fascism in this country. And both will prove to be more than open to any compromise to help it crawl it along.

So, a vote for Leabermen or Gepheard, and increasingly, John Kerry, one might as well vote for Bush, because even if they win, the GOP remains in charge, and their agenda is still carried forward.

Now I get beat over the head on a regular basses about this position. It always amuses me to here Democrats come off like the freepers do, and start calling me names like traitor, fascist. They come to me with the line "If Lebermen gets nominated, you have to vote for him, no mater what." Of course when I ask them, "What if Dean is nominated, will you vote for a Democrat then?" And suddenly they start spouting off on how Dean can't win, he is too far to the left. Or they will tell me he is too far to the right, like Bush. (I suspect the actual opinion depends on the alignment of the moon.)

If any of those three get the nomination, I will not vote for them. I can't vote for them, any more than I can vote for Bush. I have NOT been shown that their political position is different from Bush's. In fact, all three actively DEFEND Bush's polices while on the campaign trail! They defend the patriot act, they defend the war, and they defend the tax cuts and even argue that MORE tax cuts are required to restart the economy.

[lifelong_Dem]

26. Um, Kerry has not defended the tax cuts

In fact, he's called for repealing them.

Do some reasearch before spouting nonsense next time.

[Code_Name_D]

33. But he dose support the war, dosn't he.

Instead of bashing me, why don't you try to set the record strait.

[LWolf]

22. No, I'll cast a vote for any of the 9.

There are some I wouldn't be happy with, but I'll cast the vote.

[TennesseeWalker]

23. Nope.

If Cartman from South Park were running, I'd vote for him. Even HE would be better than Shrub. We wouldn't be going to war for oil; instead, we'd have an economy based on cheesy poofs.

[TSIAS]

24. I'd vote for any of them

Including Lieberman.

[newsguyatl]

25. i won't

vote for lieberman...

we'd be better off with shrub in office -- at least then the dems could get stronger and watch the bush cabal self destruct

[Runesong]

27. I will vote for any democrat, even Leiberman.

To me the important thing is to get rid of Bush. He is completely out of control.

In saner times, my heart and vote would be with the Green Party and their core values. Bringing our government at least back to the center, and to some semblance of sanity is imperative for our future.

[msanger]

28. great sig line gully

I just added it to

If you'd like to formalize your commitment, you could take the pledge. Our goal is to get 1,000,000 folks to commit to defeating bush in 2004. The only thing signing the pledge will get you is a weekly update on the site, and when we know who our nominee is, a request you donate $25 to the DNC.

If we have 1,000,000 pledges, that would be 25,000,000. Not a bad start for the general campaign!

[gully]

35. Thanks msanger!

:hi:

And, thanks to Granny D...

[VermontDem2004]

29. I am not going to vote for any Democrat

I won't be old enough by 22 days.

[davsand]

30. I can't stomach Lieberman.

I'm trusting the Dem party to have better sense than to put Lieberman up as the nominee, however if they were that stupid you can bet I'll vote Socialist and make plans to get my kid out of this country.

I've said it before, it may bite me on the butt, but here it is: I will die before I ever cast another vote for Holy Joe.

Laura

[ulysses]

97. I'm with you.

I was trying to keep even that option open, but the drip-drip-drip from his campaign has gotten to be too much. If Lieberman is the nominee, I will vote third party for president for the third time in a row.

[Birthmark]

31. Lieberman

[hlthe2b]

32. No...

but Lieberman is making it very hard, lately, to say that.

[Pepperbelly]

34. Zell has pretty much burned his bridges with me.

:D

[Northwind]

36. Thereare 2, maybe 3, I am still deciding.

Sorry, but you have to have more than a "D" next to your name on the ballot to get my vote.

[ButterflyBlood]

37. Does LaRouche count?

n/t

[Lady President]

38. No

I'll vote for all of them. If Lieberman gets the nod, I probably won't give much of my time to help him get elected, but in the end I will vote for him.

Unlike a lot of people who post here, I think that we have a lot of solid candidates and I'd be proud to vote for most.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

39. i see you're still at it ...another thread "curiously" inviting Dem bashin

i think you took a wrong turn back in the road
and you start all these divisive threads the same way "just out of curiousity" "of course you can tell how i feel by my avatar"

i'm "curious" as to your motives?

[gully]

46. My motives are to learn about other people...

and what they think. That's all.

Sorry nothing sinister for you here. And, how do my threads = Dem bashing?

BTW, I asked up front that the thread remain civil mmmmk?

Someone asked in another thread about Bush voters, so I started the thread about Bush voters changing their minds. :shrug:

Chill......... :hippie:

By the way, I like your avatar. I worked for the Wellstone campaign.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

49. ok chillin

:7

[gully]

50. Thanks!

B-)

[karlschneider]

40. Short answer: No. Long answer...

no fucking way!
:D

[gully]

51. Can you exbound on that answer please?

Who falls under the NFW catagory for U personally?

[karlschneider]

55. Uh, "no" and "NFW" are the same....

:eyes:

[gully]

56. OH, oops

I thought you were saying...

Well nevermind :freak:

[EV1Ltimm]

41. i'm not worrying about it.

dean is taking the nomination.

[amazona]

42. i'd vote for marion effing barry over bush

We have some fair to good candidates among the 9, and keeping in mind how late Bill Clinton stepped into the fray back in the day, we even have the hope of more choices. I would think it is an ideal time to get a little more populist, because people may be united by the huge economic and foreign policy disasters created by Bush, so we don't need to kiss the butt of the center quite as much. But, ultimately, if a more conservative or centrist Dem is chosen, I'll still support him or her.

I would prefer not to lose any good or even breathing Democratic Senators so I would prefer someone other than a Senator but whatever...anyone but Bush!

[dkf]

43. Lieberman

The only good thing about the 2000 election is that Lieberman is not VP.

[Rex]

45. I've been huffing and puffing about not voting for Lieberman

but ya know...when push comes to shove and it's either him or Bush. I will just hold my nose and pull the dam lever for Joe. :(

[Zuni]

47. Even a vote for Joe Lieberman

is better than a vote for Bush...which is what voting for a third party will be.
Lieberman has hawkish foreign policy--but he will have a democratic rather than republican electorate to worry about if he wants to get reelected. Therefore he would have to show more restraint in matters foreign and domestic.
He is most likely better on economy, diplomacy and environment than Bush, and that is a distinct improvement because Bush is awful there.
Hopefully Dean, Wesley Clark or Kucinich would win the primary but even in the off chance that Lieberman does, I would no doubt vote for him over Bush.

[sujan]

48. Not a democrat so

I wont vote for the warmongerers, kerry, Edwards, Gephardt and Lieberman.

Dean: Maybe
Kucinich: Maybe
Mosley Braun: Certainly
Sharpton: Maybe

And yes, Clark: HELL NO

[DemocratSinceBirth]

52. Voting Democratic Is A Matter Of Religion With Me

That being said voting for the winner is good for the spirit every once in awhile.

[aquart]

53. If Satan is the Democratic candidate, I pull the lever for Satan.

If I have to hold my nose, take Composine and chew on ice, I will vote for the Democratic candidate.

[gully]

54. OOHH, now that's a statment

:evilgrin: or

Now there's a poll! Bush v Satan in 2004

[VOX]

73. Well said! Although * already holds the office (of Satan, that is)..

:toast:

[gulliver]

86. Satan's a Republican

Jesus: "Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men." MATTHEW 16:23

So for you to vote for Satan, he would actually have to challenge Bush in the primary. I don't think Satan would risk splitting the ticket, though, so your only chance is if Cheney steps down.

[Doomsayer13]

57. Any Dem is alright by me (aside from Lyndon LaRouche)

[Rooktoven]

59. Nope, ANY Dem is better than Bush.

This includes all of the 9, Zell Miller, Jim Traficant, any breathing entity that can register as a democrat, and even some republicans.

[Walt Starr]

60. Lieberman will never get my vote

If Kerry keeps going the way he has been, he may be pulled out of my puke bucket candidate list and relegated to the "no how no way never never ever" list with Lieberman.

[Trek234]

61. Yes

Clark - Lieberman - and MAYBE not Braun

[LEFTofLEFT]

62. It would be very difficult to vote for joe

in the last election i was in texas

it was a safe thing to vote green and i did

i am in colorado now and will just have to watch what happens

[gully]

67. Where in colo...

I lived in Denver for 2 years as a kid...

[LEFTofLEFT]

72. just west of denver

up in the hills - about 9000 ft - it is a little cold tonight :)

had a bear in the back last night and a herd of elk today

move from houston this year - happy happy me

[LynneSin]

63. If Jeb Bush decides to register as a democrat and run for president

I can assure you - I wouldn't vote for him.

Other than that, this is our country on the brink of disaster. Joe Lieberman looks like a friendly puppy dog next to that idiot in the White House!

[ILeft]

65. Bring Richard Nixon back to life as a Democrat and I'll ...

...not only vote for him, I'll work my ass off to get him elected instead of the Bush "team."

Actually, Nixon is looking pretty good now that I've seen what a REALLY bad Republican administration is capable of doing to my country. Nixon actually did some good.

[mike_c]

66. none of the warmongers or Bush* apologists....

I won't vote for Lieberman, Gephardt, Kerry, or Edwards, no matter what. Their hands are just as dirty as Bush's*.

[truthisfreedom]

68. i'd vote for a chia pet. n/m

[mndemocrat_29]

69. NO

I'd vote for Zell Miller, Ben Nelson, Ralph M. Hall, Charlie Stenholm, Jim Traficant, any Democrat over Bush.

[Sweetpea]

70. Lieberman

[PennyLane]

71. No!, (But Leiberman Scares Me!)

No body could screw it up any worse than another 4 years of the Shrub!

[VOX]

74. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.

Lieberman is a joke, a DINO, and voting for him would absolutely make me vomit. But I am so into ABB that I will even pull the lever for Holy Joe.

Fortunately, I don't think he'll be there as the Democratic candidate -- we'll have a much better choice, I am sure of this.

[HawkerHurricane]

75. To paraphrase Churchill

"If the Democrats nominated Satan, I would say something nice about him on DU".*

Anybody but Bush!

(Original quote: Churchill refering to his support for the Soviets against Germany: "If Hitler invaded Hell, I would say something favorable about Lucifer in the Commons")

[robbedvoter]

76. No. Even Kerry or Lieberman - if I have to wear rubber gloves

on election day to pull that lever. Bushco must go!

[Patriot_Spear]

77. Lieberman comes close...

But I'm dedicated to ABB... no matter what.

[revcarol]

78. Lieberman,Dean & Graham are iffy for me.....

Lieberman for all the reasons mentioned in numerous threads...Graham for "opposing the war" because he wanted action taken against Iran too, among other countries...Dean because he is so pro-AIPAC-policies; this is the world's REAL powderkeg...

But the rubber gloves are a good idea!!

[gully]

79. I'm with the majority here.

Lieberman would make me gag, but I'd do it for the greater good. Kinda like swallowing epicac, KWIM?

[hippiechick]

81. Lieberman & Gephardt. And Kerry is iffy ...

I would vote for Edwards but would probably need a shot of Cuervo beforehand.




:hippie:

[Mairead]

82. I'm holding out for real change. We're worth it.

Which means that I'm going to vote for Dennis Kucinich, either as the candidate or as a write-in. (Unless Sharpton is the nominee--I'd vote for Al over writing in Dennis)

We need real change, we're worth real change, and I won't accept anything less.

[gully]

83. I tend to agree with Paul Wellstone...

when he said (In response to Naders claim about the two party's being so much alike...

"The differences make a difference in the lives of ordinary Americans." ~Paul Wellstone RIP

http://www.commondreams.org/views/110300-104.htm

[RichM]

84. I agree with Mairead. Aside from DK & Al, the Dem candidates offer

IMO nothing but the most superficial & cosmetic sorts of improvements.

[gully]

89. Do you think DK and Al will vote for the Democratic Nominee?

And, what does that mean to their supporters? :shrug: Not trying to debate, just wondering about that as I assume they will formally endorse who ever gets the nod.

[RichM]

90. My take: DK is well aware of the extensive rot in the Dem Party. He's in

a position where he more or less "has to" at least publicly pretend that he'll support the party nominee, no matter who it is. But he obviously understands perfectly the profound corruption of both parties. He could no doubt give a very thoughtful & far-ranging lecture on this subject, right off the top of his head. I'm sure he understands the case for voting 3rd party, even if he doesn't do it (or admit to doing it) himself. (He doubtless understands & respects the strength of the case for socialism, too.)

I can't speak for all DK supporters, of course. But my guess would be that many or most of them understand that DK is trying to achieve the kind of change that's the most radical possible, within the framework of the traditional 2-party system. It's an interesting & quixotic endeavor. It's immediately evident to everyone that one danger of testing a system's limits is that you'll fail, because the system itself just won't allow this kind of change.

I'd guess that many DK (or Sharpton) supporters are (like me) right on the edge of deserting the party altogether. Most would probably take the attitude that if the nominee is Al or DK, they'll support it; otherwise, they'll vote 3rd party. And if DK says publicly that he's supporting the Dem nominee no matter who it is, most of his fans will respectfully understand that he's more or less obliged to say this -- but it will make no real difference to them.

[Mairead]

93. Probably. That's part of being a politician.

I don't think it's part of being a citizen, though.

[TahitiNut]

95. I get closer to this position each day.

While I almost never make a personal commitment to vote for any candidate, even those I actively support, until the day I vote, and I always reserve the right to keep my vote secret, I'm seeing only two candidates who actually voice the liberal "everyone wins!" principles that I espouse: Kucinich and Sharpton. I see a muddled second tier in Dean and Moseley-Braun, another muddled third tier of Kerry, Gebhardt, Graham, and Edwards, and a tenth tier of Lieberman. I can no longer see see any way that I'd cast my single precious vote for Lieberman.

[VolcanoJen]

87. No. I support the Democratic Nominee.

Don't we all?

[election_2004]

88. I'll definitely pass on Lieberman too....

Willie Tanner will NEVER get my vote! Please let his campaign die a quick death in the primaries, and let's send him packing back to Connecticut.

Aside from Holy Joe, I will vote for:

Dean
Kerry
Gephardt
Edwards
Graham
Kucinich

if any of them are nominated against Bush.

(I'm not counting Sharpton or Moseley-Braun, cuz I don't consider them serious candidates)

[Proletariat]

91. Kucinich and Sharpton

Maybe Mosley-Braun

[Mairead]

94. Hark to the sound of the 'new Democrat'

Distinguishable from an 'old Republican' by the label.

[jos]

96. Lieberman

For all the reasons I've stated in other posts.