Tell Me Your Honest Feelings About Vote Fraud in The 2004 Election

[ThomWV]

I just asked my wife this question, "do you really believe that there will be substantial vote fraud in the November election? I told her that deep in my heart I thought that the American people were better than that but she said that Bush and company get desperate enough she though they would tamper with the vote. I just don't know. I think we are an honest people who respect the rule of law, but then there is so much greed out there and desire for power. What do you think, really, not just ranting and raving, and I don't mean the background noise of petty corruption here and there that accompanies all elections, but do you honestly think the theft of the election will take place on a large scale?

[NMDemDist2]

1. only if we let it, call you representatives at county, state and federal

levels and SCREAM :)

[shraby]

2. I think it will, but by Diebold,

corrupt election officials who okay the Diebold machines and Bushco..not by the voters.
By Diebold machines, I mean all electronic voting machines.

[papau]

6. I think you're correct -a simple printer add on is no brainer -so I suspect

the delay is in getting the "secret" program designed that prints out a copy of the correct vote, while recording an incorrect vote in the actual official vote records.

[gumby]

3. What Election?

There will be an election only if W is waaaaay ahead in the polls.

[iangb]

15. My feelings exactly....

These crooks have already shown that they will stop at nothing...........and unfortunately Congress is complicit in their lunacy.

[Swede]

4. Turn on your local news.don't let them do it again.

[jus_the_facts]

5. Indeed....it'll be even more widespread this time......

....as they've put so many Diebold machines in place and have put even more moles into voter registrars offices to not even allow people to cast a vote....s'gonna be a LOT worse this go 'round...mark m'words! x(

:tinfoilhat: That also depends on....if....there isn't another *terra* attack orchestrated which may make 'em enact *martial law* and no election at all?! I've heard several times now from different sources that because of Spain's election...it could happen here too!!! Wouldn't put it past these diabolical bastages! :grr:

[lpbk2713]

7. If the repubs think it's remotely worth a chance then they will try.

They pulled it off in 2000 without any consequences. This time around they have more power in office to assist them (until the election anyway). So, yes. I would not be surprised at a serious attempt to alter the election results.

[stellanoir]

8. If enough people don't bother their representatives to get

HR 2239 & S 1980 out of committee, then Kerry will have to win by well over 30% to unseat the pretender. Consider pestering your representatives incessantly. There's not a whole lot of time left.

No BBV's or this will no longer be a democracy.

[x_y_no]

9. There's always some amount ...

The question is how close the election is, and can the usual level of fraud really affect the outcome? In 2000, it clearly did - in Florida alone.

When it comes to the electronic voting machines, I don't really know what to expect. One of the disturbing elements is that the audit capacities of these systems are so weak that it doesn't even take a successful hack to discredit an election - it would be sufficient to make a credible claim of having carried out such a hack. The security of the systems is so primitive ( Microsoft Access? Please! ) that it could literally be impossible to determine whether or not a hack had taken place.

[maggrwaggr]

10. well it's guaran-fucking-teed in Florida

As to the rest of the country, you can probably count on the repubs doing whatever they think they can get away with.

That's how they always do business, isn't it?

If you can get away with it, it's okay.

[MarLopez2]

11. Honest feelings...hmm.

It won't factor. One way or the other this election will be decisive and hard to question the outcome. Now that's purely conjecture, but I think the heightened sensitivity of both camps, plus the wars, is inducing the circumstances for an event swinging election. It should be remembered too, that the country was not largely aware that it was this thoroughly polarized in 2000.

[Immad2]

12. Here is a link that might help you decide...

Consortium News

Keep in mind "yellow-cake uranium" "Weapons of Mass Destruction" "I don't know Kenny-boy Lay" "Iraq - al Qaeda conection" among the hundreds of other lies. Do I think they would steal an election? * and his cronies already have and they are going to do everything in their power to STEAL this one.

[Senior citizen]

13. Here's a better site

http://blackboxvoting.org/

Sign up to watch the polls on election day. I have. There's a lot to do. If we get a fair election it will be thanks to Bev Harris.

[NewEmanuelGoldstein]

14. Yes

We've allowed it to happen. The black box voting machines were the response to the election fraud in 2000. Florida was one of the states that had these machines in 2000 and look what happened. To make sure it didn't happen again we trusted that e-voting machines would help the problem.

Kerry could get a billion votes, but he won't win. The machines and fraud and "oops" will make sure only Butch wins. The 2 party "lesser evilisim" system and people towing the party line on both sides aids it too. A vote for the Democrat ,in this election will be worth shit while a vote for the Repub will be worth 3 votes. People trust the system to do right and be just, but it isn't. I trusted Butch not to steal the 2000 election and look how that turned out. I won't trust the system again.



Have you seen Butch when asked about the 2004 election? He says "I won't lose" and it's not said in a way that he thinks he'll win because God is on his side. He says it like he's so sure because he knows something that we don't. It's already been stolen.