Has F9/11 Made DU Mainstream?

[Beloved Citizen]

While I am still relatively new here compared to some folks who have posted literally thousands of observations, I have noticed that some people take a goodly amount of pride in being outside of the mainstream of American political thought. As well they should be. After all, while practically the entire country was swallowing the Big Bush Lie hook, line and sinker, here is where you could find a rugged few who continued to post the truth about what was really happening in America. (I was over on USENET doing the same, but who really gives a shit. I don't. Being a patriot and defending what this country is really about should always be a selfless kind of thing.)

But, to the point of this post: Has F9/11 taken those things we've all been talking about these last few years and made them mainstream entertainment? Have the forbidden and unspoken truths about America's first truly neo-fascist regime now become the talking points of Everyman and Everywoman USA?

Personally I regard this as a great victory. And hopefully only second to the overthrow of the Bush regime in November. But I can't help think that for some the honorable outsider role is something that has become akin to a lifestyle, and that some of the F9/11 complaints I've been reading here stem from a certain level of resentment at what is perceived as a loss of a very special role in the American political landscape.

[The Crazy Canadian]

1. Moore should of included the neocons in F9/11.

I thought this movie was great, but i think he should have spent some time on the neocon cabal and talked about PNAC.

[mike1963]

3. Welcome to DU, crazy canuck ;-) The thing is, PNAC is kind of

complicated to explain and understand. I do wish MM had at least mentioned it, though...but there's only so much you can jam into a movie...
:toast:

[The Crazy Canadian]

6. Great to be here!

DU has been a great place for me to get the latest information on things and I really enjoy it.

Yeah, there is only so much you can jam into a movie, but maybe spending 10 minutes on the neocon topic would of shed more light on those pulling the strings in the Bush Administration.

[merh]

9. Maybe he will include it with the additional material he has indicated

will be on the DVD when it is released in September.
That way the DVD will have an additional impact and he may be able to take the time to explain it so it is readily understood.

[SoCalDem]

12. He could make a new film.. "PNAC Butter & Jelly"

:)...

He should seriously spend some of that mega-loot and do at least 2 more..

We cannot get truth from media, we might as well get it SOMEWHERE..Go Mike !!!

[checks-n-balances]

8. I've wondered about that, too, although it was a fantastic movie

Welcome, TCC!

I figured that since almost NOBODY seems to know about PNAC and you never hear about it through mainstream media, there probably isn't any foodtage of it. No particular events to point to (except 9/11/01 and Iraq invasion) and maybe there just wasn't enough time. Perhaps a little less about the Saudis...

Well, since 9/11 was more in connection w/Saudis, possibly, that's the reason so much time was spent on them. But to make more sense of the Iraqi invasion, you have to explain PNAC. And I think the more people know about PNAC, the more furious they'll be about IRAQ. That cabal needs to be exposed!

Maybe he's just saving that for the SEQUEL!

Anyway, WELCOME to DU!

[Sugarbleus]

13. I'm relieved that some are making fair assessments of

F-911. I went Sunday afternoon w/spouse and grandson. It was a good documentary which, IMO, is most certainly directed at the undecideds and disappointed repubs et al.

Since most of us already knew much of the films content info beforehand, it wasn't much of a surprise. I found the film rather anti climatic. Maybe having read all the first night reviews spoiled it for me. It's like all the hype you get when a "block buster" movie is advertised for a long time, then you go see it and it's not what you imagine it to be..?

My very large 16 yo grandson didn't know what they were talking about, but did say he would remember the scenes of the charred bodies on the bridge. Hubby and I didn't like the clips of soldiers dicking around in unsavory ways...it wasn't necessary to put that in there.

Moore didn't make the connection with PNAC or the evangelicals/fundies or show enough gore to really sicken and SHOW the cost of war. The film seemed disjointed to us. It dragged on in places and whipped past stuff in other places. The only place that moved me to emotion was when he showed Iraq BEFORE then showed Iraq being bombed to hell and the aftermath.

My take on the film was that Moore was making a case for the rich verses the poor...the rich get rich by the means Moore presented ...the poor are suckered into the military to defend them.. The film could have said so much more about the insidious nature of what we are dealing with....like the orwellian model in that "constant war" is what "they" need to keep us off balance, in fear, poor, and keep them rolling in the dough while they try to colonize the whole freaking world in one way or another.ie: Geo Political, Corporate Globalization.

Again, I think the film will make an impact on those that don't know much, so I applaud MM for this effort. It's a supreme and clever way to get the TRUTH out there. At least get people to start thinking again.

[Fenris]

2. It hasn't made it mainstream, but it certainly has vindicated

The posters on this board. Derided by the right as a bunch of loony theorists, we can now bask in the fact that no one has been able to disprove anything in Moore's movie, most of which was common knowledge on DU before its release. It hasn't made us mainstream, but it certainly says something about the collective brainpower and research abilities of this site.

[nostamj]

5. mega-dittos!

uh, I mean, I AGREE!!

[dmr]

10. Right, and also, we only deal in mainstream

when we post articles or when we research, we only accept credible mainstream sources. If it's not credible, we will debunk it.

We are wild-eyed for truth.

[gasperc]

4. he could make a ten part miniseries and still leave tons out

I think Moore did it right to keep it a two hour snapshot with a lot of great material to question people about and help fence sitters make up their mind. Hell when the DVD comes out we should all get a copy and when we run into a fence sitter or Bush doubter just here's a copy of F911, watch it tonight and tell me what you think. I won't give it to die hard supporters though you always waste your time with them. If their is a dumb move a liberal makes is to try to get that satisfaction of switching a GOP over to DEM, the energy you spend on one person could have been used looking for 10 undecided voters.

[Career Prole]

7. We couldn't be mainstream, could we? We're too diverse to

pigeonhole that way. There are so many points of view here. The best we can hope for is a consensus we can live with as opposed to the intolerable consensus which hangs out at the right-wing joints. I would like nothing more than to have the consensus here accepted a lot more widely. If F911 forwards that, I'm all for it! :)

[bushneedstogo2]

11. I hope that in November that we all do our duty

We need to get the vote out and put the crooks out of office.