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louis c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 08:09 PM
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I believe F 9/11 will put us on top
I didn't think so initially. I liked it because it was an irritant to the freepers. I'm now convinced it is much more than that.

Many of my friends are difficult to convince. Not because my argument is not just or convincing, but because no one is going to listen to me for two hours droll on about politics. I'm sure many of you are in the same boat.

However, they will watch a movie for two hours. Now that this weekend's hoopla about the film has reached epic proportions, many people, young and old alike, are getting the feeling that seeing this film is "the thing to do". No one wants to be left out.

Once they get there, Moore's compelling film will do all the convincing. Remember, the group we need to win over is not a large number, and those folks who never talk politics, but listen, are going to see this flick with an open mind. Michael Moore has accomplished more than any of us could have hoped for.
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JustFiveMoreMinutes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 08:13 PM
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1. Jump over to Move America Foward...
Edited on Sun Jun-27-04 08:17 PM by JustFiveMoreMinutes
.. even their Moore Bashing is weak & lame and glosses over the most significant items that F9/11 shows.


MAF... presents TWO opinions to COUNTER MM's opinion? Sorry, but someing bitching about someone's elses bitching.. doesn't make it Right OR Wrong.

Toooo funny. Move America Forward is sooooo weak............
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Tosca Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 08:16 PM
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2. Hmm..

I believed the Viet Nam war would put McGovern over the top.

I chalk it up to naivete.
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louis c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 08:23 PM
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5. Nixon had only to convince
my dad's generation. They were WWII, and still trusted their government. We're the majority now, and these assholes that run the government now don't have those same wonderful, trusting souls around anymore. They have to convince the cynical, questioning, arrogant bastards that we are. Good Luck.
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Tosca Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 08:43 PM
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10. Yes, they still trusted that sweating, King Richard...
Tell me, how much have things changed? We've got the idiot son of George the First in occupation now. People don't really give a shit. I mean, most conservative people are okay with OUR President. He looks good when he's golfing and by cracky, he's a family man. He's strong and forceful and Republican and stands up for America against all those dirty librals. He's a GOOD, God-fearing man! Bless his heart.

That's what we are up against. For die-hard repubs, God bless him, he's one of ours!

He's decent, comes from a good family, and has taken Christ for his Savior!!

Even though it's all a show, they still believe. It's an addiction.
And they can't stop now.
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louis c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 08:59 PM
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13. I'll tell what's changed
They had to steal the 2000 election. In 1972 we only carried my home state of Massachusetts. I figure we won the last three, and we'll this one, too.

Back then, no President would even be in trouble in the middle of a war. If Johnson got nominated, or was a Repuge, he would have won again, too.

The fact that this isn't a runaway re-selection during a time of war is a credit to us all.

This election will be a Kerry electoral landslide, and an 6 point margin nationally. You want the final results now so you can sleep soundly 'till November.


Kerry 353 E.C.- Bush 185 E.C.

Kerry 52%
Bush 46%
Nader 2%
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Tosca Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 09:10 PM
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15. People better keep that in mind, for all the good it'll do them

/They had to steal the 2000 election.

And I'll tell you if it worked for them once, they'll try it again because the only thing they want is POWER. They're not looking out for anyone in this country...they don't even see America as a country, they see it as a conglomeration of corporations out to make mega-bucks. That's what this country has become, and that is why the world spits on us when we're not looking and smiles and shakes hands when we are. We are consumerist pigs, they know it, and try to handle it as diplomatically as possible.

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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 08:28 PM
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7. But this is not just about the IW. It's about the man, don't you think?
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 08:18 PM
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3. i agree with you
about attempting to convince friends, coworkers and family - most times, they don't want to hear it and think you are a conspiracy theorist if you even bring up topics like F911.

thank you michael moore for giving the cause a HUGE boost!
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gasperc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 08:22 PM
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4. It's got people talking about these issues
they can't just shut up and support the troops or there are a bunch of killers over in Iraq and that's all they want to do is kill.

The so called debate has some balance now. the Saudi connections, how beholden is our economy to their investments, is the war a distraction to pacify a furious right that needed a red meat figure to not only blame but capture and destroy, and if this couldn't be done the fabric of the GOP would be completely undone.
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Don_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 08:24 PM
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6. It's A Start
But Kerry needs to hammer this home....


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louis c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 08:30 PM
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8. Agreed
Michael Moore, as well as many of us, have given Kerry the hole in the line, now it's up to him to run through it for the touchdown. (Please excuse the Nixonian football metaphor).
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 08:34 PM
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9. what I hope
is that the corporate media will wake up and smell the coffee and realize there's MONEY to be made by giving the people the TRUTH.

It's what journalism is supposed to be about in the first place.

You can bet somebody's smelling the $$'s. In America, that's about the only way the word's gonna get out, if somebody can make a buck doing it.
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gooberd69 Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 08:48 PM
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11. How does 9/11 stack up against The Passion
Just curious. How does the opening weekend of the Passion stack up against 9/11?
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Tosca Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 09:25 PM
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16. What purpose does the question serve?
why are you comparing MM's film to a snuff film?
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 08:58 PM
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12. Mrs. Cat and I just got back from F9/11
I have only one question: Why aren't people banging down the doors of the major media outlets? Why aren't people banging down the doors of their senators? I don't get it.

It's all so clear: Bush is a criminal. 9/11 is his fault. How can 50% of the people in this country be brainwashed by his lies? How is that possible? How could anyone in his or her right mind not see Bush for what he is?
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louis c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 09:02 PM
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14. Give them time
The movie has been out only three days, and it's the weekend. Patience, my dear, November is a long way off.
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Imalittleteapot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 09:26 PM
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17. I heard that a born again bush lover I know went
to the movies today to see another movie but decided to see F911 because there were so many people waiting in line for the show and she wanted to see what it was all about. She told a mutual aquaintance that she did not know anything about the bush/bin Laden connection and was shocked. The Iraq footage really disturbed her. When asked if she had changed her mind about voting for Bush she said that she was now on the fence. This gal is a rabid right winger. If Michael Moore can make a dent in her narrow mind, all things are possible.
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Tosca Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 09:51 PM
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18. Aww.
She'll go to church and get herself right with the Lord!!
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osaMABUSh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 10:12 PM
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19. F 9/11 will push enough independents our way
Edited on Sun Jun-27-04 10:13 PM by elbayl
OK, the choir was already in the Kerry camp and the 30% RightWingNuts ain't changing their minds even if they see the movie but all we need is 1/5 of the 10-20% undecideds to see the movie and we have tipped the scale.

We're talking just several percent of the undecided likely voters going for Kerry because of F 9/11 then we split the rest (at worst) and win.
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