F9/11 is the best 3 documentaries I've seen in a long time.

[Kid_A]

Don't get ne wrong, I thought the film was excellent and accomplished what it set out to do. But I also think the film lacked a real focus. There were three distinct segments in the film: the Bush/Saudi connection, the response to 9/11, and the Iraq war. Moore did a typically excellent job in dealing with these different subjects, but failed to connect them together in a concise way, and I think that ultimately hurts the film. If he had taken another ten minutes at the end of the movie to tie together all the threads he spent the last two hours unraveling, then he would have made his film absolutely flawless. But as it stands, the film just kind of stops. It's a hell of an ending, one that the entire theater I saw it in cheering, but it could have been better. I love the footage of Bush that the movie ends with, but I wish Moore would have squeezed a little more substance into the last twenty minutes or so. The ending is the most important part of any movie, when the audience ultimately decides if the movie is good or not. Moore's ending could have been better, if he had tied his three movies together into one.

[OpSomBlood]

1. I agree about the lack of focus and detail.

But it was a fantastic primer for the layman who hasn't been following the situation closely like most of us.

[Beacho]

2. I think it's going to get the Oscar

I saw it on saturday and was surprised by Moore's restraint. Mike has a tendency to go overboard with the guerilla theater and sometimes be a bit whiney. He let the material he gathered do the talking with some damn good editing.


this is the best documentary I've seen since the War At Home.

P.S. I saw it in fairly conservative Auburn, here in Pierce Co, Washington, and there was loud applause at the end and laughter in all the appropriate places.

[JHB]

3. My biggest disappointment...

Was the lack of mention of PNAC and the 2000 Republican Platform, which would have highlighted the fact that these guys were jonesing for Saddam years before 9/11.

Just a small quibble.

[Kid_A]

5. The lack of PNAC was another HUGE problem I had with the movie.

This is the group that has single-handedly shaped this country's foreign policy for the past four years, and will continue to do so for a long, long time if Bush wins in November, and Moore didn't mention them once. I'm guessing that a vast majority of Americans have never heard of them, and that is their biggest asset. If Moore had revealed them to the large audience that will see his film, he would have dealt them a heavy blow. Groups like PNAC thrive when they can operate in secrecy, and Moore had the responsibilty to reveal them to the world, and he didn't do it. Maybe he's saving them for his next movie...

[OpSomBlood]

7. "Pearl Harbor type event"

I was disappointed that those words didn't make the cut.

[Goldmund]

4. I do see what you're saying

re "lack of focus". But I think there is a connecting thread, however subtle, and I think this is the main intuitive message of the movie: Bush, the Saudi Royals, Bin Laden, etc are on one side of this global conflict; the rest of us, on the other.

[Beam Me Up]

8. Yes, this is how I read it to . . .

MM seems to be saying there are TWO SIDES -- THOSE WHO PROFIT FROM WAR and those who do not. It is predominantly a class issue. I also agree that this could have been underscored IF he had gone beyond Carlyle and Haliburton to the PNAC/NEOCON connection and brought that into focus. That would totally sealed it up.

[peacetalksforall]

6. We need a secon follo-up documentary

Wolfkowitz licking his comb is not the same as Wolfkowitz being exposed for his New World takeover role.

I wish that there could have been a last look at the WTC - especially the scenes of the people with white granite and cement dust all over their faces and bodies. He opened with WTC and I would have given anything to have closed with WTC.

But is was moving and it was the U.S. in America.

I tried really hard to find the lies. Moore barely speaks. So it must have been everyone whose words were heard that lied. Let's see a list of the lies taking into consideration that there are always new findings on a daily basis that could make a position or statement the truth one day and a lie the next.

We need a second documentary about the 'media'. Let's see Moore or his counterpart stop the golden TV hosts-court jesters on the street and ask them something like how much training they got to convert them from being a journalist to a propagandist.