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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 03:08 PM
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WAS Early handover done to deflect attention from F-911?
Would it surprise you if you found out it was? We know all about "Midnight ceremonies" with the GOP. Usually means sneaky, underhanded, "Nothing to see here, move along" BS.
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Ironpost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 03:10 PM
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1. More than likely
a sorry bunch, they are.
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 03:11 PM
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2. They had to, either that or dig up Ronald Reagan.
Besides, Brenner needed a quick exit. Too hot in the desert these days.
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 03:12 PM
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3. I think early handover was done because....
in Bush's world anytime a project is completed ahead of schedule it's a good thing. He governs as a CEO (most CEOs do not accept responsibility for their actions, just like Bush) and now he can say HE is a can do kind of guy who not only sets goals but exceeds them by meeting them EARLY.
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 03:12 PM
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4. I think the real reason was
that by pulling it off on such short notice anyone who might have wanted to disrupt the turnover ceremony didn't have the chance to do so. I think they wanted more than anything else to avoid a car bomb rolling into the building while they were signing the deal.
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Gothic Sponge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 03:12 PM
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5. LOL!
I just did this poll! Sorry!
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cjbuchanan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 03:13 PM
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6. I don't think so
I think they just wanted to get out of there as soon as possible. I also think they wanted to give Bush a boost at the NATO summit.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 03:33 PM
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18. So your saying it was political...
but not a reaction to the movie? Possible, I guess. Its probabally a little of both.
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Ironpost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 08:05 AM
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32. It's called covering your ass
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 03:13 PM
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7. Only two days off schedule? Not likely.
We all knew this was coming and that it would be meaningless. The fact that it happened 2 days early means nothing.
If they thought it would make a big splash, Bushco is even more pathetic than I thought. Moore's movie is going to be talked about for a loooonnnggg time.
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amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 03:15 PM
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8. well that's one reason
They knew the movie was coming, plus they knew there would be violence on the 30th, so it was logical to try to slip in and out before Bremer got his head blown off.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 03:16 PM
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9. Not so much that as . . .
An abject admission that they have so little control of the situation in Iraq, that they couldn't guarantee an orderly, undisrupted and above all Q-U-I-E-T transfer ceremony on June 30.

This rather salient point, however, will completely escape the TV talking heads, who will marvel over how well {ka-boom} the Iraqis {eeeeeeee-blam!} are taking to {budd-budda-budda-budda} their new-found {ack-ack-ack-ack-ack} sovereignty {hit the deck!}.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 03:29 PM
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16. Not on ABC this morning...
Richard Clarke was pointing out how the early handover proved that the Iraq policy (and Iraq security) was a failure.
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Jack from Charlotte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 04:29 PM
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29. Exactly. It's an admission the place is out of control so they had to...
sneak under cover of darkness and do the handoff.

If there was anycontroll at all the AWOL/Moron crowd would have had a huge public function.
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funkybutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 03:16 PM
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10. maybe they just can't keep their days straight
like, you know, when you're on vacation and you forget which day of the week it is
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number6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 03:16 PM
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11. yes, and ...
because there's basically no support in Iraq for the
Puppet regime .....

"Would it surprise you if you found out it was?" no
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readmylips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 03:21 PM
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12. No. Actually to deflect from bush's failed NATO meetings.....
No soldiers to be sent to Iraq. Only training of Iraqi cops/troops. When, where (not in Iraq), how much?? No answers.

bush's play of the week.
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 03:24 PM
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13. We are still going to a protest
on June 30th. ABQ Los Altos (Eubank swimming pool and parking East of golf course) 3:30 to 6:30. Bring the Troops Home!
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 03:25 PM
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14. No
I had assumed that the insurgents likely have some very big plans for the 30th. I believe that they have been gathering up some fairly large fireworks to celebrate the occasion in their own special way.

I was thinking that Paul Bremer simply wanted to be back here so that he would not miss out on any of the coverage of the festivities on CNN.

(sarcasm off)

Honestly, I think the guys with the guns, rockets, mortars, and bombs are a bigger concern to the misadministration at the moment than Michael Moore.
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 03:25 PM
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15. No
I had assumed that the insurgents likely have some very big plans for the 30th. I believe that they have been gathering up some fairly large fireworks to celebrate the occasion in their own special way.

I was thinking that Paul Bremer simply wanted to be back here so that he would not miss out on any of the coverage of the festivities on CNN.

(sarcasm off)

Honestly, I think the guys with the guns, rockets, mortars, and bombs are a bigger concern to the misadministration at the moment than Michael Moore.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 03:30 PM
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17. Absolutely. Unquestionably.
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Still_Loves_John Donating Member (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 03:52 PM
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21. Exactly, unquestionably
Because, we all know, by moving up the ceremony two whole days, it's totally stealing F9/11's thunder, which it wouldn't do two days later.

Or maybe they moved it up because they were afraid that a big ceremony on the 30th would be a terrorist target? No, that would make too much sense, and doesn't involve a nice, grandiose conspiracy theory, so I can see why you wouldn't buy it.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 04:08 PM
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Still_Loves_John Donating Member (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 04:16 PM
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25. Ah yes
because if I don't agree with you it's because I've been brainwashed by Sean Hannity, and not because I'm put off by your attitude that anyone who disagrees with you is just unenlightened.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 04:22 PM
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 04:25 PM
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27. Have some pity, t_p, it's hard times for these guys... LOL
"Please Hammer, don't hurt 'em!"

I'm sure you don't need to scope this dude out on other threads to get the idea really fast...
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 04:29 PM
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30. Nope. And they really think they're fooling people.
But they are actually fooling nobody.

No, I don;t need to scope him out, though I've seen him recently and knew it from the start.

Apparently, I have a rather large Homoerotic Fanclub at Fr(REDACTED)epublic and Cons(REDACTED)derground.

They've been feeling firsky lately. Fahrenheit 911 has probably brought their homoerotic fantasies to a fever pitch and they are rbbing ones off faster than you can say "I'm a Gutless Freeper"

Problem is, they don't have the BALLS to identify themselves.

Bunch of cowards is what they are.
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 03:35 PM
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19. Started on a Monday to avoid confusion in payroll
Those midweek timesheets always through the system through a loop.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 03:35 PM
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20. Yes, yes
Edited on Mon Jun-28-04 03:52 PM by senseandsensibility
and YES. I know y'all are shocked, but it seems to be working too.
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 03:53 PM
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22. The real news of the day is that
The Supreme Court has ruled that the Boy King has limits to his powers.

And that the serfs of the world are entitled to their day in court.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 03:54 PM
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23. Yes.
That is what hit me when I heard about the handover... I scrawled a note onto the newspaper.. it read: "let political manipulation reign". (you have to go to LBN to get that joke). Anyhoo.. YES.. It was done intentionally. WE MUST NEVER FORGET... EVERYTHING is done in the Bush White House for POLITICAL GAIN. EVERYTHING. Mayberry Macheavellians. Never forget.
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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 04:26 PM
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28. Ha! Doesn't matter, no one I know is paying much attention to
this hand off thingie. Even the Repugs I know aren't paying any attention to it.

Good try Georgie Boy.

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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 04:34 PM
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31. Yes
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 08:11 AM
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33. but of course. they had to cancel the big victory parades
quite obvious. the stupid shits
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 08:17 AM
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34. Someone posted that Fineman said it was one of the factors,
during a "Hardball" appearance.
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 08:28 AM
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36. Yes, Fineman did say it was one of the factors
I saw the sequence on Hardball when he said it was most likely a contributing factor along with the threat of further violence in Iraq.

Gee, the Bush administration would NEVER try to dictate the top news story of the day would they?
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truthspeaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 08:18 AM
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35. hell, yes
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Nadienne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 08:33 AM
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37. It's definitely possible,
And it was the first thing I thought of when I heard about the early "hand-over". But then, I might have F-911 on the brain. 'Course, since I don't think Bush and the RW can refute anything in the movie (hence, their only defense is attacks on MM's character), it would benefit Bush & Co if F-9/11 quickly becomes 2nd page news.
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