just jumped down a man's throat for saying "vote for bush"

[democrat in Tallahassee]

We were in the doctor's office and he said that everyone should vote for bush. Shocked, I turned around and said "Bush?" To which he replied "We better not get a democrat in the White House" I then replied, "If you want to live in a fascist country vote for Bush" He said, "If Kerry gets in there, we'll have terrorists running all over the place" And I said, "We already have terrorists running all over the place thanks to Bush and if you want to live under a dictatorship just vote for him again>"
I just lost it: I've heard that crap so much and never had a chance to respond to it. I think he'll be a little less likely to open his mouth again. Another girl in the waiting room was cheering me on.

[lancdem]

1. Good for you!

:thumbsup:

[Slit Skirt]

2. that must have felt good.....

[VolcanoJen]

3. Sheesh!! What on earth started that conversation?

You're all sitting around the doctor's office reading "Time" and "Highlights for Children," and some Bushie jumps up and starts preaching to everyone?

What an asshat.

[Kukesa]

41. It Was the "Highlights for Children"

the Bushie couldn't find all the items hidden in the tree and lost it.

:7

[Yupster]

56. The poor receptionist

She probably hates election years.

[cthrumatrix]

4. people are seeing through the bush facade....those that don't are

drinking the FOX cool-aid.

[IrateCitizen]

7. And those that do see through the Bush facade...

... are no longer hesitant to speak up, largely thanks to the efforts of one Michael Moore.

[VolcanoJen]

20. That's exactly right!!

A good, but timid, friend of mine said to me yesterday,

"It's awesome that I can be open about how much I hate Bush now, without fearing that someone's going to call me an America-hating bitch."

Thank you, Michael Moore. :D

[Qutzupalotl]

5. Terrorists love having Bush in office.

He plays right into their hands and gives them what they want.

[Ishoutandscream]

6. Aren't you glad Bush is a uniter and not a divider

It's 1968 all over again.

[LeftyDonkey]

24. Public convos

about the election are beginning to creep up in unexpected places. I was in line at a store the other day and was chit chatting with the elderly man next to me. After about a minute we were both making fun of Bush (much to the embarrassment of his wife who was concerned about offending any near by Republicans). The old man, with his very thick Italian accent, turned to his wife, smiled, and said "It's a free country! At least for now, so who cares if those idiots hear me!"
I have a question about 1968: I've read about the sixties before and seen documentaries and such on television before, but what did it feel like? In what ways are 2004 and 1968 similar? Just curious.

[Hoping4Change]

30. Hey you, LeftyDonkey

Great name. Welcome to DU.

p.s. Which are smarter donkeys or horses?:bounce:

[indigobusiness]

32. Donkeys...

Mules are even smarter.

[Hoping4Change]

36. Ah-ha I believe you also are a fan of the much maligned and

misunderstood donkey and mule!:bounce:

[indigobusiness]

37. Prized

and highly regarded.

[Hoping4Change]

42. Figures that a true admirer of lowly burro

would have a great site. I visited sludgereport many times.:toast:

[indigobusiness]

49. Thank you...I take that as high praise...

but I'm partial to mules.


(be careful, you can get lost in there...you made my day)

[Hoping4Change]

54. I thought burros were mules. Thanx for the clarification.

[indigobusiness]

59. Just for the record

Mules are 1/2 horse 1/2 burro and twice as intelligent as either. They can be quite beautiful and were prefered by many horsemen of yesteryear...and are today, for that matter.

I wish I had a pic of a prime specimen, you would be surprised.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

62. This reminds me a lot of 1968.

I think we have forgotten how divided the country was then, over both Vietnam and the civil rights movement. The thing that seems the most similar is how, if you were against the Vietnam war, you were a traitor, unpatriotic, hated America... Sound familiar? The only difference was that then you were assumed to be a communist sympathizer ; now you are a terr'ist sympathizer. I'm still waiting for the massive demonstrations, though. Those enormous demonstrations, mostly originating on college campuses, were the beginning of the end of the war. I hope to see the same kind of activism again.

[yardwork]

66. I was eight years old in 1968 so take that into account....

but I recall 1968 as a perfectly dreadful year in the United States. Assassinations, riots, cities burning, more riots, TET offensive in Vietnam. It was awful. This is not as bad - yet.

[calimary]

67. My mom came out flatly against bush on the phone today.

She's a little old lady who certainly supported Reagan and voted for Dole in 1996. Out of the blue on the phone today she begins talking about how things are just really awful now and "that bush" is just making so many mistakes and we're so deeply in debt nowadays, and a lot of people don't like him. And I said - "they'd be correct in that." I LOVED it. Turned around after the call and crowed to my husband and a friend we had visiting: another vote for KERRY!!!

[TankLV]

71. Everyone was ashamed to admit being a repuke - which SHOULD be the natural

order of things.

Progressives were in the asscndant.

No one would have even DARED to mention approval of abuse or torture as an acceptable strategy.

Same with "pre-emption".

Now, thanks to ronnie raygun and his band of criminals, it became OK to admit to being selfish, greedy, and bigoted or WORSE.

[cmf]

8. Good for you

More people need to stand up to those bullies.

:yourock:

[Cats Against Frist]

9. I feel you -- I can't even go home

When I return to visit my relatives in Southern Illinois, I have to literally bite the inside of my cheek to keep from getting dis-owned. And back in the 80s, these people were all Democrats -- they raised me. But Toby Keith, NASCAR and the Gravy Narrative got most of my extended family -- particularly the male members.

Believe me, I've tried talking about it before -- especially to my Dad (who used to be a Democrat AND a union member) -- but these people are absolutely impenetrable. And second to the Bush administration's rhetoric, I really do blame country music. It's like three-chord propaganda being piped into their little ears, all day long.

It's easy to do to strangers. I've accosted my right-wing Evangelical neighbor on numerous occasions, and filled his ear with stuff. There's a certain amount of civility, there. With family, there's not.

C

[IrateCitizen]

16. Welcome to DU, Cats Against Frist!

BTW, that's one helluva user name you have there!

[Cats Against Frist]

33. Hi back

Thank you. I can't believe it took me so long to land here.

[pdmike]

17. And why is that?

Most interesting that your down home folks all used to be Democrats.

Did you ever ask them why they switched? Did you ever point out to them that probably most of the Republican programs are slanted AGAINST their interests? Did you ever ask them to compare what the right promises before election time and how that compares to what is actually delivered once they are in power?

Read: "Lie Down for America - How the Republican Party Sows Ruin on the Great Plains" by Thomas Frank in the April, 2004 edition of Harper's Magazine.

pdmike

[Cats Against Frist]

35. It's the NARRATIVE, stupid :)

I honestly think it's just the "Core Americun Values" thing that got them. Plus, like second-hand Rush. I don't think most of them listen to him, but their friends do, and feed them their own interpretation of his bullshit.

I've tried everything. When I tried to debate Gay marriage with my father, he said, "Don't you read your Bible?"

I said: "Dad -- YOU don't read the Bible."

I've never seen the inside of a church with either one of my parents unless it was a wedding or a funeral. He's got the "GOP Civil Church of Mammon and the Fake Jesus" kind of religion.

[Bruce McAuley]

50. So ask your dad if he thinks Bush might be the Anti-Christ...

:evilgrin:
Seriously, though, I just ran into some guys arguing about religion in a public place, and shifted them both with my question over to politics. I'm certain the one guy won't vote for Bush, and I think the other guy may have some grave doubts.
So what if Bush ISN'T the Anti-Christ?
All that matters is that those two guys now have a nagging doubt...
:evilgrin:
:hi:
Bruce

[thuebert]

18. The wierd thing is

Toby keith claims he is a democrat.
I would have never guessed that

[IrateCitizen]

22. No, he doesn't.

I saw him for a short segment on Larry King Live, and he said that his FATHER was an old-school, conservative Democrat. Toby Keith said that he, himself, felt like he didn't have all that much in common with the Democratic Party of today, but he wasn't a Republican either.

[thuebert]

26. thought I read it in

Rolling Stone, maybe I misread it.

[anarchy1999]

46. So, does he believe himself to be "independent"? That would be about

right for the mentality level, I guess. Damn. He's just a plain old, god loving, patriotic, God Bless America, American. Is that it?

[grasswire]

23. tell your family...

...that Earnhart Jr. has just recommended that everyone see Fahrenheit 9-11. It's true. That'll pop their corks.

[Mandate My Ass]

25. Hi, Cats Against Frist

I agree that some people are so far gone that they are impentrable. My brother is one so I know where you're coming from.

Welcome to DU. It helps me stay sane. Oh, and I love your screen name. LOL. It reminds me of the ads for Chik-fil-A with the cows holding up signs saying "eat more chicken." :-)

[Cats Against Frist]

34. Thank you

...and hello. I had to pick a name that summed up my feelings for the GOP. :)

C

[Bridget Burke]

29. Buy your dad a Steve Earle album

He's a Texan who's lived in Nashville for years. Not all of his stuff is political, but some of it is.

And listen to him yourself before you condemn all country music.

[Hoping4Change]

43. LOL That is too hysterical that you blame country music.

I don't doubt you but I never heard that before. And what on earth is the Gravy Narrative?

BTW Welcome to DU CatsAgainstFrist. Hope you can feel at home here.
:hi:

[AbbeyRoad]

44. Welcome to DU, Cats Against Frist!

I'm from Southern Illinois too, and I know of what you speak. A lot of my extended family get their political marching orders directly from the pulpit. I don't really interact with them on a regular basis, but I hear bits and pieces of frustrating conversations from my mom. I have heard that one of my aunts liked John Edwards during the primaries, so that's maybe a good sign.

I live in Carbondale now so I'm kinda buffered from a lot of stuff that I used to have to deal with when I lived out in the hinterlands.

I proudly drive around with my John Kerry and Democratic Underground stickers on my car.

:hi:

[Tight_rope]

57. I feel you pain Cats!

My oldest brother has been a Republican for years and he was to ashamed to tell us until last summer when our cousin came to visit from England and the whole family was out to dinner.

My cousine started a conversation with what's wrong with people in the US, how could we have elected Bush. People in England and most of Europe hate his guts. Of course we all agreed with him, except my oldest brother. Who then revealed that he voted for Bush. Boy you should have been there. We all turned on him like a pack of wolves. The whole family almost got kicked out of the resturant. I called for an instannt disownment of my brother from family. But my mother refused (A mother love).

It's been a year and now he's having to bite his tongue when political topics are talked about. I send him every piece of e-mail I can find on the corrupted Bush administration. And when I see him, I bring it up again. I've forgiven my brother now and I know damn well he won't be voting for the chimp again. He will no longer allow Bush to disgrace him.:beer:

[Poiuyt]

60. I love that name!

Welcome

:)

[PassingFair]

10. You did more in that one moment than most of us do in a month!

I, too, am speaking out whenever I hear someone touting *. Two women from my office were talking about how crummy the economy was, and I said that we had a remedy come November. One said "Well, you can't blame George Bush for the economy!" I was almost flabbergasted, but recovered, and replied, "Oh, I guess not. But I certainly blame his administration's ecomonic policies and his wrongheaded foreign policy actions for our economic problems". Slack-jawed responses. They don't bring up * around me anymore.

[GreenPartyVoter]

11. Bless you, my child! :^D

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. Wow... Tally Is A Pretty Liberal Town........

NT

[porphyrian]

27. Sports Fan Mentality

Like much of the South, Tallahassee has a lot of people who operate under a sports fan mentality. People who have chosen the Bush "team" tend to be fanatical in their support, despite all losses and/or logic. Many of the rural fundies have been duped into supporting the Republicans, and a growing plague of neo-yuppies have descended upon the northeast side of town, far enough away from the poor to completely ignore them and their needs.

[playahata1]

64. Northeast Tallahassee.

Ah, KILLEARN (not that I want to live there, though)....

I lived in Tallahassee for seven years (1995-2002); I attended grad school (M.A. and Ph.D.) at FSU. I may be headed back your way; I will find out if I will be doing so in the next couple of days. I absolutely enjoyed my stay there.

[maxsolomon]

13. i'd try to draw out his logic

why exactly, would a kerry presidency mean "we'll have terrorists running all over the place"? there's no way he can back that up, but that is their actual fear, that somehow, we'll let al queda take over.

i'd stay away from 'fascism', but i'm a libra.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

52. Someone posted just this on another message board the other day.

Thread about the Supreme Court rejection of monarchy powers of arbitrary detention (GTMO). Stupid wingnut chick was actually saying how she was going to have to keep her eyes peeled constantly for the terraists now. So idjits actually believe this.:eyes:

[Francis]

14. Now Now

You should have asked him in a low kindly voice if he was in the right doctor's office and give him help in finding the psychologist's place
It troubles me that you didn't show any empathy to the poor deluded soul

[mark11727]

31. I'm sorry, this is the dentist's office...

...you'll want electroshock, two doors down.

BWAH!

[donco6]

15. Cool. Way to go. eom

[moderate_hero]

19. Wow!

Do you mean this stuff really happens? You were just sitting around, everyone minding their own business, and someone pukes out "Vote Bush"?! Where do you live (so I can stay away)?

[Hoping4Change]

45. Hey there moderate hero.

Welcome to DU. Glad you're here.:hi:

[moderate_hero]

68. thanks

Still trying to get my feet wet. I'm rather busy so I don't get to spend much time here, thus low post count.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

53. They just couldn't hold all that love inside. n/t

[Tight_rope]

58. Welcome to DU Moderate_hero!

I guess you haven't seen F9/11...if so you would know that these things do happen. If you've see it then you'll remember the scene of Lila in DC in front of the White House and the freeper that came along to tell her that he son didn't count, the people die in war!

[moderate_hero]

69. Haven't seen it

I don't go to movies since I don't have much money and Hollywood is such a decadent cesspool anyway. While I certainly understand Moore's politics, he is not much different from other celebrities and I hardly see him as a "man of the people" if he can afford to jaunt off to France, England, etc. He certainly lives better than probably all of us here, so why should I line his pockets further with money I don't have?

[Hoping4Change]

70. IQ not income level determines whether a person is a Democrat.

Democrats garner more support from the well-educated leading confortable lives than do Republicans whose base is the ultra-wealthy, Christian fundies who are intellectual lightweights, and the white underclass, ie rednecks.

[CityZen-X]

21. Terrorists All Over The Place?

Next time ask one of these brain dead Bu$h*t makes their claim that the Commander & Chimp is protecting us from the terrorists.....remind them that 9/11 occurred on Dumbya's watch, and the Anthrax terrorist. Then ask them if Bu$h*t has captured Osama Bin Forgotten, and the Anthrax killer, or killers?!
I have done this and their little pea-brains as I watched them stutter into convulsions!
I am learning to ignore their mindless programed positions, after all conservatives are a minority in this country.

[seabeyond]

28. the coolest........high fiving

across the way

[Warren DeMontague]

38. Was he drugged?

Better to get 'em before they've had the nitrous, methinks.

[Warren DeMontague]

39. He's Right, The Terrorists Will Be Running All Over The Place..

Because they will have been thrown out of the White House.

[doni_georgia]

40. Good for you - My husband was once again cut off, ,nearly run off the road

and given the middle finger salute by a guy in a beater pickup covered in American Flags, all because of his Kerry sticker. I got another middle finger salute from a fine upstanding family valueser yesterday (with 4 kids in my car). I have started giving them the big "L" symbol when they give me the finger - LOSER!!!!

[GoneOffShore]

51. The Big L

can stand for 'Loser' or 'Liberal'
I'm going to remember the Big L, the next time I get harassed for my 'Bush Lied, Thousands Died' sign.

[ronnykmarshall]

47. Doctor office?

Was he getting a brain scan?

[mellowinman]

48. That rocks, dude!

Sorry for calling you "dude."

But that definitely rocks.

[LoZoccolo]

55. When they bring up the terrorists I'm just like...

..."that's such horse shit!" and talk about something else. Don't even play to that.

[Swamp Rat]

61. YEAH YOU RIGHT!!!

BoooYaaaahhh! Good for you and KEEP doing it!

I NEVER back down to these troglodytes!

WE'RE GONNA WIN!!!

[Hailtothechimp]

63. Sweet. Don't let them get away with something like that.

Challenge them and they inevitably back off. No rational person can stick up for Tex anymore.

[playahata1]

65. Go get 'em, Peggy!

:nuke: :yourock: