Alright, now, on Disney's "America's Heart and Soul," you might have

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been misled.

The only person claiming this is an anti-Moore film is Kaloogian, the idiot who tried to boycott Moore's film (nice job, pal). He's clutching at straws. Unless you think Moore's film was just unpatriotic (and I think the opposite) or that there is nothing good in America, this film is not an attack on Moore.

The film itself is just a series of vignettes about American life, including BEN COHEN, the extremely liberal activist and founder of Ben and Jerry's. It includes an original song from the right wing fascist John Mellencamp.

It looks sappy, and no doubt will have Disney's overbearing "Yay America!" message, but it's hardly related to Moore's film. One may even be able to like it and vote against Bush. We'll see.

I just don't see Ben Cohen becoming involved in a pro-Bush film. Nor John Mellencamp. So, sorry, Kaloogian, but you've struck out twice this week.

http://disney.go.com/disneypictures/heartandsoul/flash.html

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1. To add one more point-- it's showing at the Arbors in Austin

which is one of the indie theaters that ran F-9/11.

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2. I'm confused...

You said: "It includes an original song from the right wing fascist John Mellencamp.

then: "It includes an original song from the right wing fascist John Mellencamp."

Were you being funny about the first one? Or am I missing data. I always thought of Mellencamp as being pretty left and did a lot of mocking of the right and Capitan Ron.

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4. You're confused? Now I'm confused

Are you saying I said it twice? I only see it once.

It was a bad attempt at sarcasm. Mellencamp, as far as I know, is still a liberal. That was my point-- people are blasting this film as Disney's attack on Moore, when it is nothing of the sort. The person claiming it's an attack is an anti-Moore fruitcake.

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3. Let him mislead

It will show people what he truly is. The more proof of untruths in the media, the more people will pay attention. Good! The upside is that a good film (maybe, obviously I haven't seen it yet) will be seen by more than the usual documentary fans.

[jobycom]

5. Good point. But a lot of DUers were attacking the film

because of Kaloogian's Karaazay claims. It doesn't seem to be what Kaloogian claims it is.

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6. The Movie Wars Is Ridiculous

They could both be fine films for all I know. One has nothing to do with the other. My point is that Michael Eisner is a loser. He sells off "F9/11" and pours 10 times its budget into promoting a bomb like "Around The World In 90 Days."

So his support of this one (along with the syrupy comments on FR) make me think it's schlocky, however, we get to see movies free so I'll see it and report back.

[jobycom]

8. Eisner gets more in tax cuts than he'd have gotten in proceeds

from Moore's film. But Disney has been floundering lately. I like Brother Bear, but no one else did. No one liked Home on the Range (I've never seen Disney go to DVD that quickly before). Haunted House, Around the World (which wasn't bad, but had no target. Too complex for kids, too silly for adults)... Disney's trying way to hard, and failing, lately.

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9. It's Not A Question Of His Personal Wealth...

He's holding on by a piece of dental floss, the shareholders want HITS and he threw away a hit, one that didn't cost a fortune to make to boot! Backs shit like "Alamo?"

Buh-bye Mr. E...It would be nice if Michael Moore got rid of both Shrubby AND Michael Eisner!!

[jobycom]

11. I'm not talking about his personal wealth

Disney makes money off merchandise, theme parks, food, and no telling what else, in addition to their films. The tax breaks the corporation gets bring in more money than Moore's film. So Eisner is more worried about tax retaliation from the Bush boys than about losing F-911 revenues.

He may be on the way out, and he has made bad movie decisions lately, but Disney's profits rely on a lot more than movies. How much do you think Disney World takes in on a good day? The Magic Kingdom alone packs in 40-50K a day sometimes. Figure $50 a ticket, $20 for food, per person. Multiply that by four parks. Figure in the resort income from rooms averaging $200 a night, plus resort food at another $20 a person... They can take in a million a day during the summer, not counting merchandise. We haven't talked about their radio or tv networks. F-911 is pocket change.

The point of the films is to keep people coming to Disney World and to sell merchandise. F-911 might have hurt that. It certainly wouldn't have brought merchandise sales. It might have caused taxes to increase... I doubt the investors will blame Eisner for cutting it. Now, they will blame him for Home on the Range.

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10. You mean Eisner is a smuck just trying to take advantage of

the fundies tendency towards, oh, what should I call it "tit for tat"? I mean the way they like to one-up the liberals by freeping polls and that sort of thing. Do you think Eisner is putting it out now so the fundies will come out in mass to see the movie to make it a bigger hit than F-911, is that what you are saying? I can't imagine Eisner doing that, being that calculating. <dripping sarcasm>


Watching the trailer it actually looks harmless to me. Haven't seen it so can't judge it.

[jobycom]

12. Not sure what you're talking about

Are you saying that Disney is putting out their latest documentary as a response to F-911? They aren't. That film is an "on the road" travel film marketed on a very small scale. Only Kaloogian has claimed it was a response to Moore, and he's the wacko who was trying to boycott Moore. It has no connection to Moore.

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7. I agree. . .

. . .I wrote about this earlier:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1886127