Should liberals form their own militia?

[robertpaulsen]

I posted a similar question on Loonman's thread here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1888328

To be perfectly clear, I am NOT advocating forming a revolutionary brigade with the intention of violently overthrowing the government. What I am advocating is that liberals should be prepared for Rethuglicans to have their dreams come true. Dreams like martial law, death camps for liberals, theocratic overhaul of the Constitution, etc. Pipe dreams, perhaps, but the spectre of Diebold stealing another election for Dumbya in spite of his microscopic approval ratings makes me think we should be prepared for a worse case scenario in spite of Democrats best efforts to make the gap wide enough to make Diebold irrelevant.

So, is forming a militia for liberals the answer? Obviously, AssKKKroft will use the Patriot Act to breathe fire down the neck of any such militia, but as long as there is no advocacy of armed revolution, what can they do? (Before they declare martial law, that is.) Is this idea too radical or should we be prepared for the worse?

[bluestateguy]

1. Then watch the Right suddenly support gun control

I believe the Constitution protects the right of individuals to form citizen militias. Organizing to overthrow the government or foment violence is not protected activity.

[FeebMaster]

6. Suddenly?

The right already supports gun control. The Republicans have passed most of the federal gun control in the last few decades.

[bluestateguy]

7. And let us not forget

the confiscation of firearms from law abiding Iraqis.

If they had their druthers only conservative white men would be allowed to own guns.

[Nlighten1]

10. That is right.

The Democrats play the foil in this debate. Always on TV talking about gun control while the Republicans front an image of protecting the 2nd amendment.

[Taverner]

2. Yes

next question

[Cats Against Frist]

3. Let the Lord sort 'em out????

--That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form...

I'd say that if there were another questionable election, the founders would pretty much demand it...

And I don't think you can really have an armed militia without the fed just ASSUMING you're going to overthrow the government...

I don't like to think like this, but I am QUITE certain that the Civil War is not yet over, and that's what we're REALLY still fighting in this country.

[atreides1]

4. Yes

If we don't protect ourselves, who will?

[papau]

5. Yes - already done in Illinois - but with no PR - which is how it must be

Preparing for the worst is just reasonable given RW media and Courts and election theft.

Besides my carry permit in Mass was restricted to hunting and target on renewal today - so I'm pissed!

:-)

Sadly, at a logical level, a militia is not going solve anything I fear.

I'll go with prayer for now.

[robertpaulsen]

12. No PR - so is there no website?

I understand completely if there isn't. But I did a google search and the Illinois militia I came across is Western Illinois Militia, led by Dan Shoemaker. Every site that I see about him has links to sites about UN one-world conspiracy crap. I don't think that's the militia you're referring to, right?

[papau]

13. Correct - the SunTimes Archive may still have a story about the Liberal

militia founding a few years ago - but it has had no PR since then!

At the time the RW was laughing on the net - indeed if the RW laugh at lib miltia posts are still up at their sites, you may have a source beyond the orginal article.

[trof]

8. I want to be Air Marshal.

Get my old F-84 out of mothballs.

[ewagner]

9. Bad idea

There are enough Survivalist/Conservative/White Supremist Militias out there where formation of a Liberal Militia would probably foment an armed confrontation.

[Zorra]

11. FBI agents probably comprise 1/4 the membership in existing RW militias

at this time.

[papau]

14. I'd estimate 50% based on photo's I've seen-with half being true believers

and the other half being assigned to watch the groups.

So at least 50% are not FBI!

[robertpaulsen]

19. That accounts for the reason why RW militias CAN advocate armed revolt.

The double standard is sickening.

http://a4a.mahost.org/hate2.html

I'm sure this is the real danger to contend with if a liberal militia were to arise as a serious counterpoint to fascist RW militias. But that's no excuse for lying down and taking whatever punishment they deem fit. We're smarter than they are, I know we could beat them at their own game.

[Atigun]

15. Liberal Militia

By all means.  The people ARE the militia.  You have not only
the right but a duty to be prepared to assist in protecting
the country from all enemies both foreign AND DOMESTIC.  As
far as a militia being ineffective, there are many very
capable military officers who disagree.  Distrust of
Politicians is good for your health.  

[robertpaulsen]

17. Thanks Atigun - and welcome to DU!

Anyone who thinks that a people's militia is incapable of being effective against either foreign or domestic enslavement, I give you a current example - IRAQ!

[puerco-bellies]

16. Liberal Militia - Bongs not Bullets!? N/T

[Zorra]

18. Hi, Agent Mike! What's your opinion?

:hi:

(Note: this post is not directed at anyone but Agent Mike, if he's still around)

[robertpaulsen]

22. Agent Mike is recovering from his weekend bender.

I wouldn't be surprised if he's involved in a RW militia himself. Doesn't frighten me in the least. But if he's got the balls to stop lurking, I welcome his opinion too.

[maveric]

20. Yes! I've been calling for this for a long time.

We need to "keep up with the RW Joneses". "They" are armed and waiting fior their chance to kill some libruls and brown people.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

21. ugh no!

if we are as ugly in out politics and as violent in our outlooks...what makes us any different?