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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 04:13 PM
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Govt. denies request for lobbyist list. Reason? Fragile Database. Pfft!

WASHINGTON (AP) - The Bush administration is offering a novel reason for denying a request seeking the Justice Department's database on foreign lobbyists: Copying the information would bring down the computer system.

``Implementing such a request risks a crash that cannot be fixed and could result in a major loss of data, which would be devastating,'' wrote Thomas J. McIntyre, chief in the Justice Department's office for information requests.

Advocates for open government said the government's assertion that it could not copy data from its computers was unprecedented but representative of generally negative responses to Freedom of Information Act requests.

``This was a new one on us. We weren't aware there were databases that could be destroyed just by copying them,'' Bob Williams of the Center for Public Integrity said Tuesday. The watchdog group in Washington made the request in January. He said the group expects to appeal the Justice Department's decision.

http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/9040525.htm
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 04:14 PM
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1. Yes I never copy files, the computer could crash.
AahahahahaHAHhahahHHHOOHahahahahahahaAAa
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Don_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 04:17 PM
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2. Windows ME On A Mainframe?
Baaahhhaaawwwaaaaa!!!
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yella_dawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 04:18 PM
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3. Weird.
Must be using Microsoft Access.


And not doing nightly backups.


Lying bastards...


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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 04:23 PM
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4. There's some oddly plausible reasoning in this...
... in that a lot of Microsoft users would think, "yup, happens to me all the time."

But, to me, it sounds like concentrated smoke. All we need now are the mirrors.

I do hope the slashdotters have fun with this one.... :P
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salib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 04:26 PM
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5. There is NO LOGIC HERE!
Aren't these databases backed up? Otherwise, someone should be fired! So, simply release the backup.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 04:33 PM
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7. Can't fire 'em
Justice Dept's computer systems are all outsourced to Dyncorp/CSC now.

Seriously, no joke.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 04:49 PM
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9. Dyncorp
Edited on Tue Jun-29-04 04:51 PM by bigtree
"If something is needed, and we have it, they call us." says CEO Paul Lombardi of DynCorp, which has donated approximately $70,000 to the Republican party. http://www.dyncorp.com/

As Dave Baum from Wired Magazines reported, "The DynCorp outfit contracted to train the new Iraqi police force. Government contracts account for 98% of DynCorp's business. DynCorp contracts with more than 30 U.S. government agencies, including the Department of Defense, State Department, FBI, Drug Enforcement Agency, Bureau of Prisons, and the Office of National Drug Policy. http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.02/gunhire.html

About half of DynCorp's revenue comes from the Pentagon and many of its employees are retired military men. The rest of the contracts are mostly with civilian government agencies; more than 20,000 employees in more than 550 locations.

Baum notes that DynCorp troops bodyguard Afghan president Hamid Karzai. DynCorp manages the border posts between the US and Mexico, many of the Pentagon's weapons-testing ranges, and the entire Air Force One fleet of presidential planes and helicopters.

During the Persian Gulf War, DynCorp employees serviced and rearmed American combat choppers, and DynCorp shipped and deployed equipment and ammunition to the Middle East in preparation for war with Iraq.

DynCorp inventories everything seized by the Justice Department's Asset Forfeiture Program, runs the Naval Air Warfare Center at Patuxent River, Maryland, and is producing the smallpox and anthrax vaccines the government may use to inoculate everyone in the United States.

The de-mining of Bosnia has been contracted out to DynCorp. The International Police Task Force that is training the native police in Bosnia & Haiti are DynCorp employees. Many of the U. N. peacekeepers in Kosovo are civilian DynCorp employees. DynCorp also operates in Bolivia, Peru, Guatemala, and Columbia, managing the United States government's counter narcotics aviation program, contracted to DynCorp Aerospace Technology for approximately $99 million.

DynCorp has been criticized in the past for its involvement with Plan Colombia, which entailed spraying herbicide on cocaine plants in Colombia. A class action suit was filed against DynCorp by a group of Ecuadorean peasants claiming that the chemicals have drifted across the border, killing children, and destroying legitimate crops.

"U.S. taxpayers are unwittingly funding private wars with private soldiers.", said Rep. Janice Schakowsky, D-Ill.

One concern is that the employees of DynCorp operate without any government oversight. The overriding risk is that the corp’s bottom line may take precedence over military priorities.

DynCorp was compelled to drop its planned appeal of an employment tribunal's ruling that the corporation unfairly dismissed a woman who outed the corporation-supplied U.N. peacekeepers in Bosnia for participating in child prostitution and associating with Balkan prostitution rings, in order to gain the $50 million U.S. State Department contract to provide the police officers to Iraq.

In a separate lawsuit Dyncorp settled out of court with another former employee, Ben Johnston, a mechanic, who alleged the firm's staff engaged in inhumane behavior and bought women, forged passports and traded illegal weapons. U.S. personnel recruited by the firm to work in Iraq will reportedly have to pledge not to get involved in human trafficking. http://www.fwweekly.com/issues/2001-12-06/feature.html/page1.html

Mods: These are excerpts from my book, Power Of Mischief: http://www.returningsoldiers.us/pompage.htm
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 04:27 PM
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6. Ugh.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 04:40 PM
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8. I have not heard that excuse since the DP guys at a medium company....
...I worked for back in the early 1970's used that same rational when I requested the company's customer database for marketing. The centralized computer system was then used and controlled by the accounting and finance people who wanted to keep their power over all operations. I and an outside consultant went in after hours and hacked into the customer file, copies the whole file to magnetic tape (yes it was an IBM 370), we extracted the contact information we needed (customer name, title, phone number, address, sales volume and products sold to them) and wrote it to another tape back-up, then returned the tape we had downloaded the customer base to, into the used tape bins for erasing. The DP guys came in the following day, the system fired up just fine, accounting was none the wiser and the database never imploded.

You should have seen the look on the comptrollers face when we had our management planning meeting that following week and we reported our direct marketing campaign results to current customers showing a 10% increase in sales for the week. The prick thought we had gone through a thousand paper file folders using a 100 grunts to accomplish the task. It had been just three people (my staff) myself and the consultant with a prioritized contact list generated from our database (new application for those days). Needless to say we worked that list to death, I got a fat bonus, my staff got raises and the consultant got the rational for pushing a decentralized computer network and I got to have independent access to the mainframe system for all of our applications. The CEO of the company got to also learn all about turf control and power battles and I learned a lot about computers as a practical tool.

Anyway, these fools at the Justice Department's database center regarding foreign lobbyists, that is a big smokescreen to protect something they need to hide about these lobbyists or to maintain control over their turf and keep their power. By November, we should have a solution to that, keep the pricks out.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 05:01 PM
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10. Uh...dog ate my homework.
S'truth.
yep
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 05:08 PM
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11. Damn.. I didn't see this posted before I started the thread... however...
I spent 28 years in the Data Processing/Information Technology business. Operating Systems Software Design and development and Database Adminstrator/Designer, so I know from where I speak on this. I also worked on the same OS/Database systems that the BushReich uses (since they haven't updated them in 20 years) and I call shenanigans and BOVINE STUFF. How damn stupid do these lying facists think we are? Or is it more of 'reshape the laws of science to fit their ideology??
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Wilber_Stool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 05:18 PM
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12. Try this
Edited on Tue Jun-29-04 05:19 PM by Wilber_Stool

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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 05:20 PM
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13. That should mean we're safe from the IRS, right???
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