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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-04 03:23 AM
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"NORAD Lied About 9/11"
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20040731213239607

Senator Dayton: NORAD Lied About 9/11

Sunday, August 1, 2004

Introduction

Mark Dayton has become the first U.S. senator to challenge the
establishment consensus that "The 9/11 Commission Report" settles the open questions of Sept. 11, 2001.

In Senate hearings last Friday Dayton (D-MN) raised an obvious point: if the timeline of air defense response as promoted in the Kean Commission's best-selling book is correct, then the timeline presented repeatedly by NORAD during the last two years was completely wrong. Yet now no one at NORAD is willing to comment on their own timeline!

When the official story of 9/11 can be changed repeatedly without anyone ever being held accountable, we have no right to ever again expect honest government. Please read the following story and do your part to support Sen. Dayton for highlighting the contradiction, and to encourage the media to follow up.

Background: Evolution of the Official Story

From the beginning, the 9/11 investigations, official and alternative, have been about timelines: what happened, who knew about it and who did what in response.

Written by the government's Kean Commission, the just-published "9/11
Commission Report" presents a timeline of air defense response that differs radically from all of the previous official stories.

Since Sept. 11 government representatives have in fact promoted a series of mutually contradictory narratives of how the nation's air defenses responded to the unfolding attacks. Various chronologies were presented at different times by the high military command, the North American Air Defense command (NORAD), the Federal Aviation Administration, and now the Kean Commission.

Little noticed, the original story was delivered by Gen. Richard Myers, the acting Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on 9/11. Just two days after the events, Myers appeared before the Senate for hearings, scheduled many weeks earlier, to consider his appointment as the nation's supreme military officer. Myers told the Senate that no fighter jets were scrambled to intercept any of the 9/11 flights until after the Pentagon was struck.

The Pentagon attack occurred at 9:38 a.m., a full 1 hour 20 minutes after the first of the 9/11 flights was diverted from its designated flight path.

Myers's statement to the Senate was incredible, given the standard U.S. air defense protocols for dealing with errant instrument flights (including off-course passenger planes). In place many years before Sept. 11, these procedures are automatic and require no special order. Within minutes after a flight ceases to respond to ground control, the FAA is expected to alert NORAD - which scrambles jet fighters to intercept the errant flight for reconnaissance purposes. These are supposed to be airborne within 10 minutes of the problem arising.

This routine was activated on at least 67 occasions in the year prior to Sept. 11, 2001. Exceptional as the events of 9/11 proved to be, the
procedures should have also been activated automatically within minutes of each flight diversion on that day.

Before Myers's disturbing admission to the Senate received much notice, NORAD under General Ralph Eberhard effectively put the lie to his statement. A partial timeline of U.S. air defense response published on Sept. 18, 2001 presented the times at which NORAD was alerted about each flight diversion by the FAA. In its statement, NORAD claimed to have responded to the alerts by scrambling two squads of interceptors. These, however, never reached any of their targets in time to intercept, let alone prepare for a possible shootdown.

As late as May 2003, General Arnold of NORAD, sitting alongside Gen. Myers, presented a slightly revised version of NORAD's Sept. 2001 timeline, in testimony to the Kean Commission.

The NORAD timeline indicated that during the crisis hours of 9/11, the FAA became increasingly slower in delivering alerts to NORAD. This seemed to shift the blame for the failed response to the FAA.

The FAA, however, disputed Gen. Arnold's testimony with a statement of May 21, 2003. The FAA claimed that regardless of the official notification times claimed by NORAD, phone bridges were established immediately after the initial attack (at 8:46). NORAD was informed in real time throughout of all developments, including about the plane that ultimately hit the Pentagon, the FAA said.

Thus for more than a year the FAA has been in open dispute with NORAD on who informed whom and when about the Sept. 11 hijackings; unfortunately, this has never become the major media story it deserves to be.

The Kean Commission itself intervened in June 2004. In a staff statement delivered at its final set of hearings ("Improvising a Homeland Defense"), the Commission outlined a chronology that completely ditched the timeline that NORAD had upheld for two years. It also effectively placed almost all of the blame for delayed air defense response on the FAA.

Gens. Arnold and Myers, who testified to the Commission that same morning, were not held to account for having presented an entirely wrong timeline. Instead, they simply thanked the Kean Commission for clearing up the confusion. In return, one commissioner made a point of telling the generals they were not to blame; after all, it was all the FAA's fault!

A group of FAA officials who testified in the subsequent, final session stuck by their old defense that they had in fact provided adequate and timely information to NORAD via the phone bridges. As the hearings concluded, they still disputed both timelines: the old one from NORAD, and the new one from the Kean Commission.

Dayton: Demanding Accountability

Now that the Kean Commission has published the new timeline in its final report, these contradictions must not be simply swept under the rug. Either the Kean Commission is wrong, or else NORAD was pushing a flawed timeline for more than two years. Either way, the FAA story still differs from both.

There can be no excuses. Those responsible for dispensing false information must be held accountable, or else nothing in the behavior of government is likely ever to improve.

Instead of accountability, several of the key figures - Gens. Myers and Eberhard, FAA official Ben Sliney - have been promoted since Sept. 11! Yet one or more of them must be wrong about what happened on 9/11.

This is the simple point that Sen. Mark Dayton made yesterday at Senate hearings on the 9/11 Commission Report: now that it has accepted the Kean Commission findings, NORAD must explain its old timeline, and anyone responsible for pushing it, whether intentionally or not, must be held accountable.

To our knowledge the story so far has been reported only by Greg Gordon in the Minneapolis Star-Tribune. An excerpt:

(From http://www.startribune.com/stories/484/4904237.html)

Dayton: FAA, NORAD hid 9/11 failures

By Greg Gordon, Star Tribune Washington Bureau Correspondent

July 31, 2004

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Sen. Mark Dayton, D-Minn., charged Friday that the
Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) and the North American Aerospace
Defense Command (NORAD) have covered up "catastrophic failures" that left the nation vulnerable during the Sept. 11 hijackings.

"For almost three years now, NORAD officials and FAA officials have been able to hide their critical failures that left this country defenseless during two of the worst hours in our history," Dayton declared during a Senate Governmental Affairs Committee hearing.

(snip)

During the hearing, Dayton told leaders of the Sept. 11 commission, that, based on the commission's report, a NORAD chronology made public a week after the attacks was grossly misleading. The chronology said the FAA notified the military's emergency air command of three of the hijackings while those jetliners were still airborne. Dayton cited commission findings that the FAA failed to inform NORAD about three of the planes until after they had crashed.

And, he said, a squadron of NORAD fighter planes that was scrambled was sent east over the Atlantic Ocean and was 150 miles from Washington, D.C., when the third plane struck the Pentagon -- "farther than they were before they took off."

Dayton said NORAD officials "lied to the American people, they lied to
Congress and they lied to your 9/11 commission to create a false impression of competence, communication and protection of the American people." He told Kean and Hamilton that if the commission's report is correct, President Bush "should fire whoever at FAA, at NORAD ... betrayed their public trust by not telling us the truth."

Asked about Dayton's allegation, a spokesman for Colorado Springs-based NORAD said, "We stand on our testimony to the commission" and declined to discuss the 2001 chronology. Erin Utzinger, a spokeswoman for Dayton, said the senator "assumes the FAA knew of NORAD's coverup."

(End of excerpt. Full story here at http://www.startribune.com/stories/484/4904237.html)

In the weeks ahead, we will be presenting a complete treatment of the old NORAD timeline and of "The Emperor's New Timeline" as spelled out in the Kean Commission report. This will be part of a series exposing the many Omissions of the Commission. END

(Story: Nicholas Levis)

Meanwhile, we encourage you all to write and call Sen. Dayton's office to offer your support, and also to write to author Greg Gordon of the
Star-Tribune to thank him for his article. Finally, write to media and get them to cover this story!

Kyle Hence of 9/11 Citizens' Watch has already written an excellent letter to Dayton's office, one that we urge all 9/11 truth seekers to freely "plagiarize" in writing their own letters a.s.a.p.:

Letter to be hand delivered to:

Representative Patrick Kennedy (D-RI 1st)
U.S. House of Representatives
407 Cannon House Office Building
Washington, D.C.

Senator Mark Dayton (D-MN)
United States Senate
346 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C.

*****************

Dear Senator Dayton,

I commend you today for your courage in speaking out about the evidence
you've seen that NORAD lied to the American people and to the Commission
when it released it's official timelines in September of '01 and again at
the May '03 hearing (not under oath!). forcing the Commission to take testimony under oath].

I feel that the timeline offered us by the Commission is suspect as well.
This brings me to my primary message to you and your colleagues as you look
ahead to further hearings on the Hill about the Commission's Report.

I cannot stress enough how important it is to not just examine the 9/11
Commission recommendations. The Commissions findings of facts and
circumstances including suspect timelines must be scrutinized as well with
equal commitment and vigor. If the facts are wrong or incomplete then the
recommendations that flow from those flawed findings may be flawed as well.

Please read the first 8 pages of Richard Clarke's book. His timeline
conflicts grossly with that of the Commission's. The Commission has
Rumsfeld and Myers out of the loop until well after 10AM. Myers they say
was in a car enroute to the Pentagon when he saw smoke there. Rumsfeld was
in a breakfast meeting through the whole course of the attack. Clarke has
then both in a White House directed video conference beginning at
approximately 9:12AM.

Also, please read Gail Sheehy's "Who's in Charge Here?" (it's posted at
www.911citizenswatch.org)

Clarke quotes a Deputy Director of the Situation Room in the White House
(the Director being in FL with Pres. Bush) saying when Clarke arrives at
approximately 9:10 that a "Threat Conference Call" was underway.

The 9/11 Commission has the "Threat conf." starting at 9:37 or 9:39.

These are major discrepancies that beg for answers and explanations. How
were they resolved? Is there a cover-up? Why was there no call for courts
martial? How could Rumsfeld, Myers and the President be left out of the
loop over the 109 minutes you mentioned it took for the attacks to be
carried out?

Thank you for your diligence in the most critical search for the whole
truth about what happened on 9/11.

This brief email has touched on a tip of an iceberg that would throw grave
suspicions on the work of the Commission and the supposed cooperation of
the Agencies asked to assist in getting to the truth.

Sincerely,

Kyle F. Hence
9/11 Citizens' Watch
911citizenswatch.org
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DeadHead67 Donating Member (529 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-04 03:35 AM
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1. PLEASE ! Be sure to post anything new that comes up !
At least here at DU we will know what's what. Thanx for your effort.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-04 04:19 AM
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2. Republian Senator Susan Collins, is gonna cause a stir also.
"Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, the committee chair, said she plans to hold several more hearings in hopes that the panel can adopt legislation by Oct. 1, possibly for floor consideration after the November election.

Dayton: 'NORAD lied'

During the hearing, Dayton told leaders of the Sept. 11 commission, that, based on the commission's report, a NORAD chronology made public a week after the attacks was grossly misleading.

The chronology said the FAA notified the military's emergency air command of three of the hijackings while those jetliners were still airborne. Dayton cited commission findings that the FAA failed to inform NORAD about three of the planes until after they had crashed.

And, he said, a squadron of NORAD fighter planes that was scrambled was sent east over the Atlantic Ocean and was 150 miles from Washington, D.C., when the third plane struck the Pentagon -- "farther than they were before they took off."

Dayton said NORAD officials "lied to the American people, they lied to Congress and they lied to your 9/11 commission to create a false impression of competence, communication and protection of the American people."

He told Kean and Hamilton that if the commission's report is correct, President Bush "should fire whoever at FAA, at NORAD ... betrayed their public trust by not telling us the truth."

Asked about Dayton's allegation, a spokesman for Colorado Springs-based NORAD said, "We stand on our testimony to the commission" and declined to discuss the 2001 chronology.

Erin Utzinger, a spokeswoman for Dayton, said the senator "assumes the FAA knew of NORAD's coverup."

FAA spokeswoman Rebecca Trexler said the agency "has never and would never intentionally misrepresent or alter information. We worked very closely with the 9/11 commission and provided them with everything that was available to us."

Dayton told reporters that he skipped festivities at the Democratic National Committee Tuesday night and sat in his hotel room until 2:30 a.m. reading the commission report. After piecing together the section about the FAA and NORAD, he said, he could not fall asleep.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-04 04:35 AM
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3. That's my senator! Thanks for posting, I didn't take notes from CSPAN
Glad that the Tribune took this up.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-04 05:47 AM
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4. I saw that.
People were looking stunned and after his statement no follow up occured. The 911 Commision barely scratched the surface of the leadup to the 911 Attacks and what happened that day, esp. with Bush. I don't believe in MIHOP or LIHOP. I believe that the Govt. and the agencies were incompetent and the Bush just sat there not knowing what to do. He is not a leader. He is a puppet. VP and Rumsfailed were screwups and should have been impeached right after that day. Others should have been fired. The Bush Regime are Neo Fascist bunglers.

Why so many Americans feel that Dumbass was great that day and afterward is lacking in logic. He froze up. Afterwards he gave a few speeches. That's a big deal?
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-04 06:55 AM
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5. DUer Dac_76 made a clip of Dayton's comments in the Senate...
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-04 10:42 AM
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11. ^^^^ A MUST WATCH ^^^^
:kick:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-04 07:02 AM
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6. I'll take all this with me when I talk to Obama and Durbin
this morning!
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-04 07:52 AM
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7. I wonder why the Commission decided to raise incompetence...
to such levels as to put all previous testimony to the lie?
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RedSock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-04 08:03 AM
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8. more lies of NORAD at 911 Timeline
Paul Thompson goes into this in considerable detail here:

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/essay.jsp?article=essayairdefense

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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-04 09:12 AM
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10. Kick!
:kick:
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graphixtech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-04 08:49 AM
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9. ex- Canadian Defense Minister asks 'WHY" failure? (pics)
(Paul Hellyer photos credit Kyle Hence)




An interview with Paul Hellyer,
former Defense Minister of Canada

The following interview was conducted by Kyle Hence of 911CitizensWatch.org and Bill Douglas of 911Visibility.org, on May 27, 2004, at the International 9-11 Inquiry in Toronto, Canada.

(Paul Hellyer held the Canadian office equivalent to Secretary of Defense in the U.S., and was Deputy Prime Minister, the Canadian equivalent to Vice President.)

Paul Hellyer:
Why didn't you know this was going to happen? You spend billions and billions with spooks all over the world and surely you should have known what was going on. And, so I began to be concerned about that. And then questions were raised by others. Why did the President just sit in the schoolroom when he heard the news? Why did he not acknowledge that he already knew what was going on? As a former Minister of National Defense, when the news came out I had to wonder. Why did airplanes fly around for an hour and a half without interceptors being scrambled from Andrews ? Is it Andrews right next to the capitol?

Kyle Hence: Yes, that's correct.

Paul Hellyer: With a quick action alert they should have been there in five minutes or ten minutes. If not, as the Minister of National Defense, which in the United States is the Secretary of Defense, I would want to say "why not?"

Kyle Hence: Does it disturb you, or do you have concerns about your neighbors to the south that there's been no inquiry at a defense level relative to the specific failure to scramble jets?

Paul Hellyer: I think the inquiry has been very shallow and superficial. And I would like to see a much tougher more in-depth inquiry. The evidence is that some people were allowed to fly out of the United States after the attack when American citizens were not allowed to fly in. And Canadians had the pleasure, I guess in a sense, of the company of tens of thousands, several tens of thousands of them in Canada for a few days, especially in Newfoundland where the people were most gracious in looking after them. But why were some members of the Bin Laden family allowed to fly out of the United States? Why?

There are so many questions. What is going wrong here? Or was there something going wrong? How much did they actually know?
(more)

Kyle Hence: It seems like there's a fundamental lack of accountability and transparency, especially now in the wake of 9-11. Does that concern you in regards to what's happening in America with the Patriot Act, and the projection of American military power?

Paul Hellyer: Oh, very, very much so. I'm very disturbed about a lack of transparency. Everyone talks about it, and no one is willing to come clean, as it were. I just had lunch, interestingly enough with the designer of the Avro Arrow which was cancelled more than 40 years ago and one of the things we were discussing were the lies that people in government and the Air Force told at the time. And I guess this makes me all the more suspicious. If they lied about that, what else were they lying about? So, we were agreeing that you had to get behind the superficial and the spin and try and get at the truth. It's very difficult. It takes a lot of time. But, we have to try and get the truth. Because unless we do, as the good book says, "seek the truth and the truth will set you free." And I think that's what we've got to try to do and I hope that somebody has the courage and the persistence to keep at it until we can get it.
(more)
http://www.septembereleventh.org/alerts/hellyer.php

http://www.911Truth.org/index.php


http://www.septembereleventh.org/forum/ubbthreads.php
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-04 10:51 AM
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12. Thank you Mr Dayton for having the courage to bring up one of the very
large elephants in the living room. Now how bout the rest of the conspiracy...it's crowded with elephants in here!
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-04 11:00 AM
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13. kick
nt
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-04 11:05 AM
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14. megaKick - let's keep this one alive n/t
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-04 01:27 PM
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15. Kick
:kick:
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silverpatronus Donating Member (520 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-04 03:22 PM
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16. so in other words, depending on which of the 3 stories is true...
or at least whichever one is closest to the truth...the command that day was either incompetent, complicit or just plain covering their ass. nice choices...
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