repub at work handed me this statement from kerry

[Guava Jelly]

with no source So i am taking it apon my self to educate him TOMORROW!!
here is what he gave me.

"Senator, I will say this. I think that politically, historically, the one thing that people try to do, that society is structured on as a whole, is an attempt to satisfy their felt needs, and you can satisfy those needs with almost any kind of political structure, giving it one name or the other. In this name it is democratic; in other it is communism; in others it is benevolent dictatorship"

here is the entire exchange
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Senator Case: I think your answer was related still to the question of Indochina, but I think the President has tried to tie in Indochina with the question of world peace.

Mr. Kerry: I would like to discuss that.

It is my opinion that the United States is still reacting in very much the 1945 mood and postwar cold-war period when we reacted to the forces which were at work in World War II and came out of it with this paranoia about the Russians and how the world was going to be divided up between the super powers, and the foreign policy of John Foster Dulles which was responsible for the creation of the SEATO treaty, which was, in fact, a direct reaction to this so-called Communist monolith. And I think we are reacting under cold-war precepts which are no longer applicable.

I say that because so long as we have the kind of strike force we have, and I am not party to the secret statistics which you gentlemen have here, but as long as we have the ones which we of the public know we have, I think we have a strike force of such capability and I think we have a strike force simply in our Polaris submarines, in the 62 or some Polaris submarines, which are constantly roaming around under the sea. And I know as a Navy man that underwater detection is the hardest kind in the world, and they have not perfected it, that we have the ability to destroy the human race. Why do we have to, therefore, consider and keep considering threats?

At any time that an actual threat is posed to this country or to the security and freedom I will be one of the first people to pick up a gun and defend it, but right now we are reacting with paranoia to this question of peace and the people taking over the world. I think if we are ever going to get down to the question of dropping those bombs most of us in my generation simply don't want to be alive afterwards because of the kind of world that it would be with mutations and the genetic probabilities of freaks and everything else.

Therefore, I think it is ridiculous to assume we have to play this power game based on total warfare. I think there will be guerilla wars and I think we must have a capability to fight those. And we may have to fight them somewhere based on legitimate threats and that is what I would say to this question of world peace. I think it is bogus, totally artificial. There is no threat. The Communists are not about to take over our McDonald hamburger stands. (Laughter)

Senator, I will say this. I think that politically, historically, the one thing that people try to do, that society is structured on as a whole, is an attempt to satisfy their felt needs, and you can satisfy those needs with almost any kind of political structure, giving it one name or the other. In this name it is democratic; in other it is communism; in others it is benevolent dictatorship. As long as those needs are satisfied, that structure will exist.

But when you start to neglect those needs, people will start to demand a new structure, and that, to me, is the only threat that this country faces now, because we are not responding to the needs and we are not responding to them because we work on these old cold-war precepts and because we have not woken up to realizing what is happening in the United States of America.
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end of exchange
(A few interesting at least to me lines from the exchange..Kerry was 100 right)
" It is my opinion that the United States is still reacting in very much the 1945 mood and postwar cold-war period when we reacted to the forces which were at work in World War II and came out of it with this paranoia about the Russians and how the world was going to be divided up between the super powers,"

"At any time that an actual threat is posed to this country or to the security and freedom I will be one of the first people to pick up a gun and defend it"

[Renew Deal]

1. It's linked to Kerry hate sites.

No where else

[Catch22Dem]

2. Geez! Way to throw things out of context

Thanks for posting the whole exchange. I'm sure that statement will be one of those thing that gets passed around via e-mail, which means I'm sure one of my freeper co-workers will send it to me. Thanks for giving me the ammo I need to shoot em down!

[NMDemDist2]

3. what was your repug coworker telling you?

i would think that exchange would make him want to vote for JK not against :smoke:

[Guava Jelly]

5. He said

I Knew their was something about Kerry I didnt Like..
Oh fyi He gave it to me the mourning after Kerrys speech..I tell ya they are quite afraid

[Catch22Dem]

8. I assume this is the line he was pissed about...

"In this name it is democratic; in other it is communism; in others it is benevolent dictatorship."

Let us know how it goes when he reads the rest.

[NMDemDist2]

12. what part didn't he like? and didn't he ever say anything when he was

20something that he has changed his position on 30 years later?

good grief, hold a 30 year old statement against a lifetime of service why don't ya? But I still don't get what was wrong with the JK statement to begin with....

[salin]

17. hehe fruedian typo?

the "mourning" after Kerry's speech (as in this dude was already in mourning per bush's election chances after hearing Kerry's speech?? ;-) )

[jpgray]

4. That's actually quite a good statement, in its entirety (nt)

[Must_B_Free]

16. its good even as a sound byte

I have said the same thing lately and here is how I say it:

'Political systems themselves are neutral - Communism, Democracy, Dictatorship - they may or may not work based on the amount of corruption in those at the top.'

[Renew Deal]

6. More

This looks like a semicomplete statement.

http://www.richmond.edu/~ebolt/history398/JohnKerryTestimony.html

[Guava Jelly]

7. this is from 4/22/1971

from his testimony to the senate..
http://www.c-span.org/vote2004/jkerrytestimony.asp
here is a link

[Renew Deal]

11. Are you sure?

Those statements are only linked to freeper sites.

[kikiek]

9. They definitely have to their advantage Bush has never had a

thought about anything that required so much depth and perception. Much less the ability to express it. I am very tired of their attempts to twist and distort anything and everything Kerry has said or says. We gotta get this Machivelli gang out of office once and for all. Get politics back up to at least the gutter level.

[JPJones]

10. And give him this back

State of the Union, 2003

- 25,000 liters of anthrax
- 38,000 liters of botulinum toxin
- 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent
- 30,000 munitions capable of delivering chemical agents
- several mobile biological weapons labs
- Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa
- 30,000 munitions capable of delivering chemical agents. Inspectors recently turned up 16 of them, despite Iraq's recent declaration denying their existence. Saddam Hussein has not accounted for the remaining 29,984 of these prohibited munitions
- Iraqi refugees tell us how forced confessions are obtained: by torturing children while their parents are made to watch. International human rights groups have catalogued other methods used in the torture chambers of Iraq: electric shock, burning with hot irons, dripping acid on the skin, mutilation with electric drills, cutting out tongues, and rape. If this is not evil, then evil has no meaning.

[LTR]

13. Google is your friend

Just take the first sentence, put it in quotes, and you'll find it.

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Mr.+Kerry:+I+would+like+to+discuss+that%22&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&safe=off&filter=0

This is from his Senate testimony from 1971.

[Wickerman]

14. Ask him what George Bush was doing 30 years ago

Getting tossed from the ANG for coke use? Getting C's in grad school but being allowed to pass? Failing at running businesses? There is, of course, a much more complete list to be gleaned but this would be a start.

As the point has been made - Kerry was already in public service and contributing. Bush was only serving himself and even doing that poorly - yet your co-worker wants to take Kerry to task for points that only the most conservative can rail against?

Hell, then go back 15 years ago, Bush was raping the citizens of Dallas to build his ballpark - still no public service. Oh, there was some public service - the bit with project p.u.l.l. - that would be public service via court order...

[justgamma]

15. This is what caught my eye.

"Therefore, I think it is ridiculous to assume we have to play this power game based on total warfare. I think there will be guerilla wars and I think we must have a capability to fight those. And we may have to fight them somewhere based on legitimate threats and that is what I would say to this question of world peace. I think it is bogus, totally artificial. There is no threat. The Communists are not about to take over our McDonald hamburger stands. (Laughter)"

Kerry knew back then that the wars we were going to fight would be different. If there is a terrorist group in India, you take out the group. You don't bomb India. If there is a group in Phoenix, you don't bomb Phoenix. You take out the group.