My conservative step-dad: "It wouldn't surprise me at all," about...

[AlFrankenFan]

Bush* ordering an attack on America on purpose to steal the election. This is something that I've been contemplating, and I'm sure y'all have too. I'm not saying he will or even putting words in his mouth, but don't you think that they could be that desperate to win? With the "threats" being more frequent (two in the last month), could it be possible?

The thought that occurs to me is how Democrats often say that he screwed up when he had a chance to unite the people of America after 9/11. Could it be that that's what they're aiming for? Remember, this is a theory (saying this not only because it is, but just in case Ashcroft is watching us...).

[kainah]

1. An attack might be pretty risky for them

After all, their biggest message of late has been that they've made the country safer, that they've taken the fight to Iraq so that we don't have to fight "them" in the "streets of NYC."

Actually, I think what may be more likely is a very high profile thwarting of an attack -- which "proves" their point, i.e., that they are doing a great job protecting us.

Of course, it's a whole lot easier to thwart an attack if you happen to be in on the planning phase.

[unblock]

5. "high profile thwarting" is not very dramatic

in the movies, of course, it's very dramatic, because we are shown the bad guys plotting, approaching, and very nearly succeeding.

in real life, though, we (the masses) know nothing about any of it until it's all over -- we never see the build-up and drama. all we see is a bunch of politicians claiming that we came THIS CLOSE to getting nuked or whatever.

sure, it can be made more dramatic, especially if the bad guys cooperate in selling the whole thing. but most likely, this won't persuade anyone that wasn't persuaded already.

an ACTUAL attack, could persuade the undecided, however. i think, ideal for the shrubites would be for an attack very much like the 1993 wtc bombing -- the bomb goes off but doesn't do the damage planned.

[ThomWV]

2. If This Country Is Attacked Again On Bush's Watch

I imagine he will, figuratively, be dragged out of the White House and Tared-and-feathered.

He may have ducked responsibility once for failing at his one true job, protecting the people of the United States of America, but I can not imagine that the people would let him off the hook a second time.

[jimshoes]

8. It won't be his fault if we are attacked...

it never is. But I hope you're right and people do hold him responsible.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

15. It will no doubt

be Clinton's fault.

[radfringe]

14. every warning, alert and attack

even as Ridge announced "warnings" - bush* was running around telling us were were safer

how safe are we? Not very - given the recent alert.

so tell me again how invading Iraq for imaginary WMD's has made us safer? How is pulling resources from Operation "hunt 'em down" in Afghanistan has made us safer? How is declaring that Bin-Laden is "no longer a concern" has made us safer? How is alienating the rest of the world made us safer?

every warning, alert and attack is and will be a "reminder" that bush* has failed miserably to "keep us safe"

[w4rma]

3. A great deal of control over the worlds most advanced military and economy

People have done much worse for less.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

4. I'm not saying he will or even putting words in his mouth,

Consider the consequences of their NOT stealing this election as well. Consider the energy meeting papers that could see the light of day... consider the Enron/Bush relationship... consider that they could do time if they (I won't say lose) don't manipulate events to their benefit... consider it and then think what some in their position may stoop to. Simply put... they cannot afford to lose... period.

[lanparty]

10. Don't forget about ...

The Reagan and Bush papers that Dubaya is holding hostage. Bush Srs potential role in Iran-Contra and the Mena drug smuggling could come out.

We could begin finally to understand why Bush loved flying so much in Barry Seal's old smuggling plane.

[midwayer]

6. but just in case Ashcroft is watching

Don't worry about Ashcroft...he's got his hands full with other more important things, such as obstructing justice as opposed to harrassing a few of us common folks accusing his bosses of corruption.

The general consciousness of the Democratic Party says "don't put anything past these power hungry rights usurpers and they will not give up easily like RATS backed into a corner, it may very well get a little nasty"

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

7. So does he think that's OK? And will vote for shrub anyway? ???

???:shrug:???

[AlFrankenFan]

11. No, he's now for Kerry

He has been since early March. Something Bush did about small businesses (and he is a small business owner) ticked him off enough to say he'd never vote for Bush or anyone like him again.

[Jane Austin]

13. I sure wish our side would make a big distinction

between big, mega, super business and small business.

People seem to lump all commerce into the one word "business".

We own a small business, too, and we work 24/7 and get no breaks from government, whether local, state or federal.

[lanparty]

9. Too late ...

I'm pretty sure he already did. The media calls it 9/11. Bin Laden and the Saudis are just sub-contractors for the Bush Cosa-Nostra.

[Tight_rope]

12. I don't trust him as far as I can throw him!

[chefgirl]

16. Not only possible, but probable, IMO...

..and what's more, I don't think it would hurt him AT ALL.

Like a lot of people here, I always thought that our best insulation against another 9/11 was that it would make Bush look weak on Homeland Security, but what changed my mind was a voter focus group I saw on CSPAN recently.

If I remember correctly, there were about 12 people in the group. Most of them identified themselves as 'undecided' voters. A few were hard core Bush supporters, a few were hard core Kerry supporters and the rest were on the fence.
Most of the answers they gave were pretty much in line with what you would expect of the average (read: uninformed) American voter.
When it came to the question of what they would be more inclined to do in the event of another attack, that is, vote for a new president or keep the current 'leadership', EVERY SINGLE ONE of them said they would be more inclined to rally around the pResident. :puke:

I had been vaguely hopeful up until that point. The facilitator was asking some good questions, and you could almost see the wheels beginning to turn in their brains, but that answer just blew me away.

The next nauseating thought that occured to me was that you could bet money KKKarl Rove is well aware of that sentiment.
Ever since then, I've been extremely worried about the future of this country and the fate of this election.


-chef-

[Radio-Active]

17. If your step-dad is right,

look to a terror attack on the Republican National Convention.

That way, nobody will look to fault Bush - Secret Service would be blamed. Bush and Republicans will get loads of sympathy

Sounds crazy, but a terror attack on the RNC, that doesn't kill any of the "important people" - would guarantee a Bush win.

[Bettie]

19. This one is my husband's pet theory....

and I tend to agree with him.

An attack on the RNC would also allow W to skip the debates, citing security concerns or something like that.

Or, if Karl Rove is evil enough, citing grieving over the loss of (name here) who was tragically killed in the attack on the convention.

So, he gets sympathy, he gets to avoid looking like a fool in the debates, and he gets to sit in the oval office for four more years while Rove and Cheney plot the downfall of our society.

I hope that they are not as evil as we think they are, but I fear that they are.

[0007]

18. Wake up America, we are being scammed big time by the biggest liar in the

history of this country.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

20. If we get another, I doubt seriously if ANYONE unites behind FratBoy.

[TheWatcher]

21. If We Get Another One, Code Red will all but negate any say we Have

It may be time to accept, even though it means confronting our deepest darkest fears about these people, that it may not be possible to remove these people using the Democratic Process of Elections. If they are planning to take that choice away, then the question becomes "What other choices or remedies are available?"

There is no reason to Panic, my friends, for at this stage fear will do us no good at all. We simply need to explore all possibilities and began thinking about how to preserve our country, even in the worst case scenario. We know what they are capable of, and perhaps it is time to rationally start thinking about what the response should be if they attempt to subvert the Democratic Process.

We have to be mentally prepared for ANYTHING. No one should be surprised by anything they do at this point.

Remember, we are only Helpless if we BELIEVE we are Helpless.

I don't believe we are.

And I don't think any of you do either.