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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 09:52 AM
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Real Time with Bill Maher - Friday Night
Edited on Mon Aug-02-04 09:57 AM by TNOE
For those of you who missed the show - All I can say is WOW. The Repub, I believe it was David Drier (R) California, was totally outgunned by Michael Moore and Bill Maher. Bill Maher had to scold the audience to QUIT laughing out loud at Owens. It must have been a completely humiliating experience for Owens, because he walked off the stage. Moore was his usual no-holes barred self and the audience loved it. He got a very loud audience reaction when he came out - Maher said he didn't know that he had a rock star as a guest.

I know his show attracts probably mostly Dems and Liberals - but if the audience reaction is like this on other shows - the REPUBS are DONE.

This site isn't updated yet - but when it is - you will definitely want to watch this one.

http://www.hbo.com/billmaher/

America is waking up and the media is LYING - Bush's* numbers are no where close to Kerry. That I'm convinced of. Bush* is going to get creamed and he knows it.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 09:55 AM
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1. Owens is Governor of Colordao.
Edited on Mon Aug-02-04 09:56 AM by DesertDem
David Drier is the California rep who walked off the stage.

edited for poor typing
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 09:56 AM
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2. Thanks for the correction
God, I really screwed that up. But the show was AWESOME!
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 09:59 AM
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3. No biggie. Show was awesome!
Seeing drier leave the stage with his tail between his legs was great. I've never seen him so red faced.
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ChickMagic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 10:01 AM
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5. That's what I noticed
He was so red in the face I was afraid he was going to stroke out right on stage.
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gWbush is Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 10:00 AM
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4. best part was when Moore said
when given the facts Americans will do the right thing.

AMERICANS DON'T LIKE TO BE BETRAYED

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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 10:02 AM
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6. I saw it and it...
and David Dreir deserved every bit of the humiliation since he dared to badmouth a movie (F911) without even seeing it. He did it to himself. :-)
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 10:05 AM
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7. It was a bad first episode in my opinion.
Edited on Mon Aug-02-04 10:07 AM by Bombtrack
It's nice to see him back. But it could have been alot better. The Nader begging made me want to puke. And sorry, Bill was right to tell the obnoxious audience members to shut up for 2 seconds. I also thought Moore showed again that he should really stick to mostly filmmaking. He's often an ineffective debator because he's so anti-diplomatic and so eager to try and filibuster people. If he's the lone liberal, that's fine, but he had 2 other very effective liberals there with him against Drier.
Do I have some great admiration for Drier? No, but that isn't the point. He hurt his own credibility obviously when he admitted he hadn't seen F9-11, but the whole show was not about F9-11.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 10:08 AM
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I thought he did great and the more
he out "debated" David Drier the better he got
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 10:11 AM
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12. But I don't think allot of what he was doing was debating. Alot was just
talking over him and hyperbolic screaming. It's why Moore get's called the Limbaugh of the left and not someone like Al Franken, who's so clearly more fair and usually therefor more effective(to people who aren't looking for preaching to the choire from either side) in a debate format.
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bagnana Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 09:02 PM
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30. I disagree. Al is a bad debater w/repubs because he always
gets screamed down. You can't make a point if no one ever hears it. Michael refuses to be screamed at w/o screaming back. It makes for a Jerry Springer like debate but that's the only way to get a word in edgewise w/these people.
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 10:10 AM
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9. I respectfully disagree.....
The Dems have to show a spine and fight back and not let the repubs/media whores get away with what they do and say...Moore is one of the few guys on our side who does not back down and tells it like it is.....
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 10:11 AM
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10. I Don't Know if Bill was "right"
Edited on Mon Aug-02-04 10:12 AM by TNOE
or not - but he gave the Repub far more respect than they've shown for any Dem. The show was great in many ways - one of which was Moore asking Drier to "name one lie" in the film and he couldn't because the dumbass hadn't seen it.

Second, the show was great because Bill asked Drier if he were President would HE have just sat for 7 minutes and done nothing on 9/11 - and his answer fell flat and he again looked like a dumbass.

Moore and Maher begging Nader was righteous. Nader was truly befudled and did not know exactly how to act except to laugh. They made their point - which was Nader takes away votes from Dems.

It was a hard-hitting show - and Michael Moore is BRILLIANT. A very intelligent witty guy with lots of guts.
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 10:16 AM
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17. It wasn't a bad show. Just underwhelming from what I"ve come to expect
of Real Time, particularly because it had been 6 months gone. And again, Drier did discredit himself, or was discredited, on the subject of F9-11, however that was not all they talked about and Moore never showed him the due dilligence I believe people should show someone who isn't a complete skunk. And as far as republicans go Drier is pretty serious in my opinion, and either among the most respectable or least disrespectable depending on one's level of thinking an R after your name = the devil.
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 10:22 AM
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19. Drier came off like
a baptist preacher to me - with his smugness and his audicity to claim he could convert Michael Moore to a Repub given the chance. Moore shot him down hard - by asking if his party would then label him a "flip flopper" for changing his mind. Drier was visibily pissed. Drier seemed like he was used to getting away with that line.

I don't have HBO so was at friend's house - and I was completely dumbfounded after seeing it - to me it was very hard-hitting - so much so Drier walked off - much like Bush*. I guess this is the new standard operating procedure - when it gets to hot - run, the chicken shits they all are.
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joefree1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 10:15 AM
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16. Huh?
I guess that's why we Dems are so diverse. I thought the show was the best I ever seen. The Nader begging was awesome. It cast Nader as an insensitive ego maniac.

Drier wimped out like all neo-cons when confronted by an aggressive progressive. What a cry baby.


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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 10:20 AM
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18. Picture of Nader being begged
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joefree1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 10:23 AM
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22. Yeah! Thanks.
That needs to be spread around. Nader, whatever happened to you?

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Longhorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 10:08 AM
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8. We didn't see it until Saturday and I'm wondering if they edited
Drier walking off the stage. I had read about it and was watching for it. After Maher's "New Rules" segment, he was just gone! Those who saw it live, did they actually show him leaving and/or comment on it?
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 10:11 AM
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11. Nope!
:shrug:
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 10:11 AM
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13. The show was untouched
Never showed him walk off, but there was a conspicuous empty chair pushed out where Drier sat.

No mention ever made of it.
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Longhorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 10:14 AM
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15. Thanks. The way some have been describing how he walked off
red-faced with his tail between his legs, I thought I had missed something. I'm sure that's how it happened but I was looking forward to actually seeing it!
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 10:33 AM
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23. The tail between the legs comment
was based on the link RatTerrior posted. I shouldn't have left the impression that I actually saw him storm off with his tail between his legs. I assumed he did based on the fact that he got his ass handed to him and that he did exit the stage abruptly. Sorry 'bout that. :spank: He was red-faced though.
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Longhorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 10:45 AM
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26. Oh, no problem! I just wish I could have seen it! :)
And I would have been very disappointed in Maher and HBO if they had edited it out. :pals:
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 10:13 AM
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14. I watched it live and on DVR tape
I didn't notice that Drier had left initially but he did look like he was going to bolt (arms on chair like he was getting ready to jump up). My wife noticed that he was not in his seat and the former Canadian PM motioned to the empty seat.

I read on another thread that someone who was there had posted on his board that Drier did get up and leave as soon as possible (when Nader came on?).
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 10:22 AM
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20. I posted about it
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 10:22 AM
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21. I Wasn't So Impressed, Either
The staged groveling of Nader aside (hopefully politics isn't so bitter that friends turn to bitter enemies and I suspect all three enjoy a good tete-tete)...the show verged on the "left-wing" hated fest we so criticize Faux for.

Mahrer came out swinging...and the audience was loaded for bear as well (anyone know if Mahrer does his own warm up???)...this was a highly partisan crowd that, if you look at if from the other side, was just shy of pitchforks and torches. Drier walked into the equivelent of O'Reilly's "Spin Zone". It was almost painful to see this goon get so beat up on.

For those who need a good dose of red meat, the show was wonderful and worth taping and watching over and over. Moore was great in his taking Drier and turning this sleezeball inside out. One great highlight was when Drier tried to claim F911 was based on lies which Moore did a marvelous Wallace Berry slow burn...and then asked Drier if he saw the movie...of course Drier said "No"...it went downhill from there. Even Kim Campbell...former Canadian PM (I love that lady) tried to play referee and got pissed with both Drier's spinning and Owens fake sincerity.

We saw the repeat and Drier stuck around until Mahrer did his New Rules and when the final credits were shown he was gone. In honestly, so was Nader...who was also on the set before the scene change, and I've seen other Mahrer guests exit early as well. I give Drier guts for coming in and being such a good clay pidgeon.

Again, for those who like it raw and direct, no one hits it harder these days than Mahrer...but there are times he'll miss the mark (a very lame Ted Kennedy joke in there) or not quite have his facts in the right places. But when he's on target, he's like a fine blade.

I hear he'll be having Carlin on in weeks ahead...I'm wondering if any Repugnicans will dare come on.
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bookman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 10:42 AM
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25. Red Meat
I like having red meat a few times a week.

The thing to focus on here is it is a "comedy" show first.

I thought the former Candadian PM's remarks to Nadar really hit home. I wonder if he was listening.

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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 10:47 AM
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27. they're comedians
whaddaya expect :shrug:

and they are the best in the business :bounce:

red meat hell, we are STARVING out here.

peace
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 04:56 PM
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28. I heard P.J. O'Rourke
Edited on Mon Aug-02-04 04:56 PM by RatTerrier
And any other RWers he can scrape up. He has a few RW pals, such as Ann Coulter, Darrell Issa, Ron Silver and Dennis Miller that have been on.

He did complain a few weeks ago on Larry King, bemoaning the fact the it was hard to get conservatives to do his show.
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rexcat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 10:40 AM
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24. The most interesting thing I notice about the show...
was at the end of the show both Michael Moore and the former PM (?)of Canada were there but the republican had left the stage. It appears that the repugs can dish it out but they sure can't take the heat!

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rniel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 05:00 PM
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29. that guy was hammered all night long!!
You've got to admit any repubs coming on that show got some guts. After that episode he may have trouble even finding guests from the right wing at all.
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Murdock Donating Member (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 09:11 PM
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31. I'd love to see..
Sean Hannity, Tom Delay, Rick Santorum, or Bill O'Reilly go on that show..

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dignan27 Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 09:12 PM
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32. It was like Bizarro world Fox news
You had two hardcore liberals a 'moderate' who ended up siding with the liberals and an ineffectual or perhaps just ineffective conservative. It was like watching any given show on fox, except instead of a liberal constantly being prodded interrupted pestered and insulted, it was a conservative. Oh and Bill Maher doesn't pretend that he is fair and balanced, so there's that difference as well. Overall I enjoyed it though I felt they did get offtrack at times and didn't effectively rebuff all the bile. Also the Nader thing was pretty stomach turning, but what can you do?

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