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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 10:23 AM
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If Bush is elected in November, will you consider his supporters ....?
...your enemies? And enemies of America? Or will you just dust off your hands to fight another day? And pray that everything will be OK?
Or will you drop out of politics and off the grid? Or do you have another plan?
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 10:25 AM
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1. I would consider them "mental".......
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 10:26 AM
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4. I hope you'll come up with another description.
Please don't compare them to people who actually live with mental illness. That's not fair, not to mention stigmatizing to no end.

Considerations on the Stigma of Mental Illness
http://www.cpa-apc.org/Publications/Archives/CJP/2003/november/guesteditorial.asp

"Stigma, prejudice, and discrimination are closely related and tightly interwoven social constructs. These constructs affect many, based on age, religion, ethnic origin, or socio- economic status. However, a person can potentially move out of these groups, if not physically—as in age or ethnic background—then by moving up the social ladder, which makes the affected person less of a target. Conversely, stigma, prejudice, and discrimination against those with mental illness cut across all classes and social groups, and, to the extent that many mental conditions are chronic and incapacitating, those affected can hardly migrate out of the grip of negative social attitudes. The result is social annihilation that constricts the lives of those with mental illness, preventing them from fully reengaging in their communities and participating in the social activities of their groups of reference.

The general public most frequently makes contact with mental illness through the media or the movies. Unfortunately, the media often depict patients as unpredictable, violent, and dangerous (1), and movies usually follow the popular “psycho- killer” plot (2) long exploited by the cinematographic industry. Associating mental illness with violence helps to perpetuate stigmatizing and discriminatory practices against mentally ill persons; it is only one of many negative stereotypes and common prejudicial attitudes about them.

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Prejudice often stems from ignorance or unwillingness to find the truth. For example, a study conducted by the Ontario Division of the Canadian Mental Health Association in 1993–1994 found that the most prevalent misconceptions about mental illness include the belief that mental patients are dangerous and violent (88%); that they have a low IQ or are developmentally handicapped (40%); that they cannot function, hold a job, or have anything to contribute (32%); that they lack willpower or are weak and lazy (24%); that they are unpredictable (20%); and finally, that they are to be blamed for their own condition and should just “shape up” (20%) (17). Similarly, a survey among first-year university students in the US found that almost two-thirds believed “multiple personalities” to be a common symptom of schizophrenia, and a poll among the general public found that 55% did not believe that mental illness exists, with only 1% acknowledging that mental illness is a major health problem (18). Some of these myths also surfaced in a study conducted in Calgary during the pilot phase of the World Psychiatric Association (WPA) project Open the Doors (19). Respondents to this study believed that persons with schizophrenia cannot work in regular jobs (72%), have a split personality (47%), and are dangerous to the public because of violent behaviour (14%) (20).

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Sensational media reports (24,25) reinforce beliefs instilled by movies that depict mental health patients as “uncontrollable killers.” Relatives of the mentally ill assert that the way they are depicted in movies is the most important contributor to stigmatization (26). Movies have stigmatized not only those with mental illness but also psychiatrists, often extending negative stereotypes to portray them as libidinous lechers, eccentric buffoons, and evil-minded, vindictive, and repressive agents of the social system—and in the case of female psychiatrists, as loveless and sexually unfulfilled (27)."


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For further reading on the papers brought up in this editorial, see:

Stigma and the Daily News: Evaluation of a Newspaper Intervention
http://www.cpa-apc.org/Publications/Archives/CJP/2003/november/stuart.asp

Interventions to Reduce the Stigma Associated With Severe Mental Illness
http://www.cpa-apc.org/Publications/Archives/CJP/2003/november/gaebel.asp

Determinants of the Public’s Preference for Social Distance From People With Schizophrenia
http://www.cpa-apc.org/Publications/Archives/CJP/2003/november/angermeyer.asp

Also, see...

TEN THINGS YOU CAN DO TO FIGHT STIGMA
http://www.naminys.org/factsheets.htm

"3. WATCH YOUR LANGUAGE. Most of us, including mental health professionals and mental health consumers, use terms and expressions related to mental illness that may perpetuate stigma. We use psychiatric labels to disparage, such as when we complain about aggressive drivers and call them "nuts" and "lunatics." We also depersonalize sufferers of mental illness by referring to them generically as "the mentally ill" or as "a schizophrenic." We can avoid contributing to stigma by avoiding such language and by using People First language to refer to individuals with psychiatric disorders.

4. MONITOR MEDIA AND REPORT STIGMATIZING MATERIAL to any of a number of organizations. The National Stigma Clearinghouse, the National Mental Health Association, and the National Alliance for the Mentally Ill protest such material by contacting the people -- authors, editors, movie producers, advertisers -- responsible for the material.

5. RESPOND TO STIGMATIZING MATERIAL IN THE MEDIA. Write, call, or e-mail stigmatizers yourself, expressing your concerns and providing more accurate information that they can use. The organizations mentioned above can help you figure out who to contact."
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22181 Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 10:25 AM
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2. I already do...
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 10:25 AM
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3. Of course they are 'the enemy'
They are supporting a man who is systematically attacking the working people of this country in a not-so-carefully-veiled class war. I consider his 'supporters' to be class war foot soldiers.
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mstrsplinter326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 10:27 AM
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5. I would consider moving out of the modern world
More likely though, I would see to it that he is impeached.
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 10:27 AM
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6. I guess I'll become one of those wilderness nuts
move to Idaho, get a few mean looking dogs and a gun.

I might as well get out of government work, as there won't be any government left when these clowns get through with it.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 10:27 AM
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7. i will consider them
my former countrymen. I'll be trying to expatriate.
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Nashyra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 10:31 AM
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11. I've already told my husband that I would divorce him
and move out of the country. I could not stand to have his passive fucking idiot golf repuke buddies in my home. I can tolerate alot of things but stupidity and selfishness are two that I can not. I would become a vile and hateful person if I stayed here. I could not stand to look at some people and think that were actually stupid enough to vote for this jack ass and that is an insult to the jack ass
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 10:34 AM
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13. I will meet you in Vancouver.
we can set up a little dem house.
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Alpharetta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 10:29 AM
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8. I will consider his supporters
at least one of the following
racist, gullible, selfish, short-sighted, hellbent for the Rapture, ignorant, and most of all
the enemy

When further crackdowns occur in our liberties after the next round of attacks from terrorists retaliating from Bush's aggression, they'll be the ones keeping track of who's said what against this administration and they'll be the enemy that reports us to detainment centers for re-education.
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Alpharetta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 10:32 AM
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12. I'm talking about a nuked American city
imagine Bush's world after a city gets nuked because he let Pakistan traffic nuclear secrets.
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searchingforlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 10:30 AM
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9. I will consider them aliens!
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Snoggera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 10:30 AM
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I have as much in common with these people
as a black family living in New York in 1861 had with a white slave owner in Georgia. I probably feel about the same as they must have.
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peaches2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 10:30 AM
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10. Already are enemies
They are my enemies and the enemies of our free society NOW. I have lost all respect for Bush supporters because I know in their hearts they know exactly what he is, but they think they will benefit monetarily and they are traitors to our Constitution.

I have even less patience for the 'undecideds'. How can anyone be undecided in this election?
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