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Ugnmoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 05:40 PM
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It's time for Kerry to tell the media to "shove it"
It is now blatantly obvious to all who can fog a mirror that the whores continue their relentless demagoguery in support of Bushco, despite the fact that they (Bushco) have "LOSER" painted all over them.

If I were Kerry I would confront the major news organizations with the following ultimatum: Straighten up your act and start reporting the news in a "fair and balanced manner", or when I am elected (not if), I am going to do everything in my power to break up your monopoly. I am going to make a case directly to the American people that our democracy is being unduly compromised because of your predisposed corporate agenda and bias. And finally, I am going to stick it to you any way I can in denying you access to White House staffers. Oh, and by the way, I am personally going to push for the creation of additional major media outlets who will directly compete with you for the liberal and independent market.
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 05:44 PM
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1. AAAAAA FRICKIN MENNNNNN!!!!!!
that's the BATTLE cry, my man!

go DIRECTLY over their heads, to the American people

challenge them to NOT cover his campaign

they can't get away with it

they HAVE to cover him

he should run against THEM more than he runs against the pugs, cause THEY are the ones who enable the pugs to do what comes naturally to them: lie, project, distort, smear

the media take their BS and pass it on unadulterated, like the true stenohoes that they are
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 05:58 PM
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11. The last time the press was challanged, they nailed Gary Harte!
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 06:09 PM
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14. actually Dean said he wanted to end big media concentration
and he went from front runner to loser VERY quickly

I wasn't following it at the time, but there are those here who think there was a direct correlation--that he went from media darling to pariah; that they turned on him like a hungry shark, and that the resultant bad press was what killed his campaign

that said, they can't get away with this on the nominee, IF he makes a key issue out of this, cause they HAVE to cover him

if he mentions the corporate media as the enemy of democracy, and HIGHIGHTS it, they have to cover it, if only in passing

just learn from the nazis and the pugs: repeat repeat repeat the same thing, then repeat it some more
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 06:16 PM
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15. They don't HAVE to do anything. There is no longer
Edited on Mon Aug-02-04 06:16 PM by saracat
a fairness doctrine. That is why they only cover Kerry for 17 minutes to every hour and a half of Bush( or something like that)Why would you think they HAVE to cover anything? It's not like there is a demand for candidate news.Now if this were American Idol, I would agree.
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freetobegay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 05:45 PM
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2. That would put a nail in Kerrys coffin!
We just have to tough t out till we win! & we will win.
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Ugnmoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 05:49 PM
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4. Strongly disagree
Unless we confront these whores head on it will not get any better after the election. The only thing they understand is greed and power. They need to be wary of the power of the Presidency and the bully pulpit and to know that the President is not going to stand idly by while they make him into a stick pin doll.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 05:53 PM
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7. The only problem with that is, every time they are chaleneged they get
WORSE.

Almost four years of people writing and emailing and calling.

CNN is more like Faux and Soviet Pravda than ever!

F911 comes out...

CNN and MSRNC get even WORSE, and the Democratic Convention is pretty much a long anti-Kerry smashing by Bloated Bushevik Hosts and the Phony Independants and Phony Democrats who are as Bushist as Molotov was Stalinist.

In principle, you are right. Based on past history, that will be the catalyst that tips us until FULL SOVIETIZATION MODE.

Of course, we could just say "fuck it" and do it anyway inthe hopes that it would finally wake the Imperial Subjcets being so blatant.

But that isn't a winning strategy, either, as the Imperial Subjects of Amerika have shown themselves (ourselves) to be remarklably comforatbel and unquestioning of Tyranny.
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Ugnmoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 06:05 PM
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13. That is because they had nothing to fear
They had the White House, the Congress and even the Courts in their pocket. What they fear most right now is a Kerry landslide with coat-tails that will sweep the Dems into office and control of both Houses of Congress. Kerry needs to make them know that proceed at their own peril. It's time for some old fashioned political arm twisting - some real hardball (sorry Tweety).
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freetobegay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 05:58 PM
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10. If you don't have the media you can't get the message
to the American people! It's like what came first, the chicken or the egg?
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 05:49 PM
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5. I thought about that, and it IS very risky
but think how little regard the American public has for the media.....all the polls show that

if he really had the same nads he had in VN, he'd do it

but he's in a pretty comfortable position, still, pollwise, and that's what they go by, these days

I don't know if they just don't realize how in the tank the media are, but they've done some very stupid things recently, IMO, so who knows WHAT they're up to
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 05:55 PM
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9. 'chyeah no shit.
It would make him look like he's got a problem with freedom of the press, or at least it would be spun that way. They'd say he was trying to be a dictator or something. Now someone's probably thinking of replying to this telling me about BushCo manipulating things or that the media is corporatist or whatever, but most people don't know about the manipulation (such as the way press conferences are handled or access is given) and don't think that way so whatever arguments DU'ers come up with won't really matter.

But, someone else should go and do this, in a manner that can easily be verified with facts and what not. It's not the kind of argument you can easily, solidly make during a campaign speech.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 05:48 PM
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3. Members of the fourth estate.... your reign is over.
Edited on Mon Aug-02-04 05:50 PM by Feanorcurufinwe
Something like that? lol



"Members of the fourth estate. I've called you here to tell you your reign is over."


Check it out: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2104045

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kaitykaity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 05:50 PM
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6. John Kerry has to win in spite of the refs, and I think he will.

The mainstreamers are not even subtle now in their harassment
of Kerry, thinking they're there up high in the clouds, untouchable
by the stupid people they think they're broadcasting to.

Let the media stew in their illusions. Kerry can win this
thing in spite of them, and I think he should let loose the
dogs of war on them then.

And listen to them squeal.

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Raiden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 05:55 PM
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Yeah Right!
Howard Dean tried that, and the media completely tore him and his campaign down in an instant with the now infamous scream. We're just going to have to deal with it until Kerry gets elected.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 05:55 PM
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8. Kerry needs to keep this knife in its sheath
until the time comes for him to appoint the new FCC chairman....

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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 05:59 PM
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12. Unfortunately it appears we will have to win with the media dragging
as an anchor/handicap. Right now I don't see any other way.

For all the righteous anger the obvious slant brings out of us, for K/E to come out to tell the media to shove it or whatever or even whine (legitimately) about the slanted coverage. I think the negatives ("they're whiny crybabies!") unfortunately outweigh any gains from such a strategy.

Perhaps 3d party organizations and sites like mediamatters.org could do it, and work on trying to get TV appearances (hello Jon Stewart) but not the K/E campaign or the candidates.

If anyone has any smarter ideas please post here. Obviously I disagree with the primary post, but do not have better ideas.
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yvr girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 06:38 PM
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16. Fighting the Media is harder than fighting city hall
The campaigns can't take them on directly - it can only backfire. The ultimate spinmaster is the news director. They decide what stories get told, and how. When you impune the integrity of the 4th estate they tend to fight back, and they have a powerful weapon. It is unfortunate, but true, that most people get their information from TV. At best they get snipets of the truth. Often times they get a pundit's take on events. Some people only see current events through the eyes of a Leno or a Letterman.

The media is supposed to serve the public. We need to take them to task when they don't. Seek the truth. Be informed. Be vocal.
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