"Mr. President, why are you afraid of Black People"?

[mopaul]

do you think one of them might marry your daughters? do you think they don't like YOU? do you think hiring kkkondi and kkkolin proves that you're not a flaming white racist? do you think speaking before the urban league made up for refusing the NAACP's invitation?
do you think that alan keyes is 'articulate'?

[terrya]

1. He has to have some black people in his adminstration...

to divert people's attention from the fact that he wants to end affirmative action.

[Karenina]

8. Actually the *family

has generation long ties to the eugenics movement...

[Johnny Arson]

33. Are you kidding?

If they are involved in eugenics, it certainly hasn't done THEM any good.

[smirkymonkey]

48. Darwin is tossing in his grave...

[Bluzmann57]

2. Still haven't heard a peep out of the media

about the disgraceful incident recently in Arizona about Cheyney asking what race the photographer was. And I really think that African Americans DON'T like bush because they're not stupid.

[arwalden]

3. "Some-Of-His-Best-Friends-Are-Black"

... therefore he's not a racist. --- How many times have we heard that argument from the most bigoted people we know?

[meow2u3]

4. The proper word is TOKENISM

Tokenism: a form of bigotry in which one (or a few) member(s) of another race is(are) hired in apparently prominent positions, but serves solely for the bigot not to appear prejudiced.

[Philostopher]

26. Reminds me of a Reagan 'hoof-in-mouth' moment

From back in the eighties. I guess the quote was in response to a similar charge, that Reagan was engaging in some form of tokenism ... I believe he described his cabinet as "a black, a woman, two Jews and a cripple." Does anybody else around here have a more accurate recall of it? I know it happened, and remember it making the newspapers. They probably shook their heads and said, 'oh, there you go again, Ron!' Like that made any difference to overall shown and perceived attitudes about minorities, and what legislation they approve or veto, of course...

[bossfish]

43. Are you sure that quote is from Reagan?

Whacko Interior Secretary James Watt I think said that.

[Philostopher]

45. Just looked it up -- you're right.

It was Watt. I remembered it being from the Reagan era, but wasn't sure if it was accurate -- it was said about Reagan, just not by Reagan.

[LTR]

5. Just desserts

What if Jenna Bush married O.J. Simpson?

[goclark]

37. That would be wonderful n/t

[candy]

6. Aw,come on,let's give the race discussions a rest.

I live in Massachusetts and haven't seen much from Kerry in the race department.

How many blacks has Kerry socialized with?

Ridiculous discussion,the purpose of which is to divide the country more.If I were black I'd feel used.

[Radio]

7. I don't think the NAACP

likes Bush that much. With that said if I were in the same shoes I would refuse to speak as well. Wouldn't you?

[mopaul]

9. hhhhhmmmmmmmm

fuck no, if they liked me or not, if i were pres, i'd speak to them openly and often. i sure wouldn't spit in their faces like he did.

[Radio]

12. I didn't know he spit on them

But let us face facts. The NAACP isn't all good. They only serve to aid a certain race. If there were a white group doing that they would be deemed racist. But because this group is black they are saints. I for one am for equal rights to everyone. Not just a certain race.


Let the flaming begin........now..

[mopaul]

15. if white supremacists weren't in charge, we wouldn't need the NAACP

if there hadn't been slavery we wouldn't have needed the NAACP.
on the day that we are all equal to the great white god, george bush, call me.

[Radio]

16. Slavery has been abolished

Times have changed...what is good for the goose...you know the rest....if the NAACP wants to go set up in Northern Africa where black men still take black men as slaves then so be it...but here in the USA I think everyone should be equal

[Radio]

17. Slavery has been abolished

Times have changed...what is good for the goose...you know the rest....if the NAACP wants to go set up in Northern Africa where black men still take black men as slaves then so be it...but here in the USA I think everyone should be equal

[JustinF]

20. Okay--This is fucking ridiculous

The NAACP exists to promote equality. If you were for equal rights then you would support the NAACP. Apartheid is very much alive in well in America. Racism permeates every aspect of our society: the health care system, the education system, the labor market, politics, banking, etc. If you think black folk have equality in all these areas today in the U.S. you are totally clueless.

[Radio]

21. So are you saying there are no blacks who hate whites?

Is there no Black on white Prejudice? If so then should there not be an all white group standing up for only white people. We both know that would be deemed racist.

[Name removed]

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[arwalden]

27. I Love The Picture... You Slay Me!

[Lerkfish]

36. LOL!

gret picture!

[JustinF]

24. White people are not discriminated against in America

White people control every center of power in America. White Americans are by far the most powerful, wealthy, and privileged people in the entire history of the planet. Your argument is just stupid.

[Radio]

28. I am white and I control nothing

A while back when the all black nightclub burned down in Chicago(I think)...black lives were lost and the NAACP was right there to make the city pay. But a shorttime after a white night club burned down while some shitty metal band was playing. White people died. The NAACP did not respond. Why. Are Black lives worth more than white lives. Where is the equality there? I say abolish all groups that only aid someone because of there color.

[arwalden]

30. This Is So Sad.

[Radio]

31. Then cry...reality can be sad

[arwalden]

32. No. I Mean Your Perception Of Reality Is Sad.

Welcome to DU... Enjoy your visit.

-- Allen

[Anaxamander]

34. You have black night clubs and white night clubs in Chicago? (NT)

[smirkymonkey]

51. Do you have any clue as to what the "CP"

stands for in NAACP? Why the hell would they respond to a fire in a "white" night club? They don't exist to serve night club goers, they exist to serve people of color.

Your argument is ridiculous.

[shanti]

52. good grief

we're not talking about YOU PERSONALLY!! it's the power structure!

[JayS]

25. There is no shortage of people hating other people based on...

...all sorts of criteria. Generally, people that fall under the category of "white" have the economic means to assert their rights and don't need a group to speak up for them based on that criteria.

[Radio]

29. Why does the group have to be black?

What about poor white trash? They don't have a group. Will the NAACP stick up for them when Walmart moves them out of the trailor park?

[Terran]

38. You guys, this poor slob does express an inner truth

which we all know: that the people who are really oppressed in this country (well, aside from the GLBT crowd) are poor people, regardless of their ethnicity. His kind is too blind to see, however, that it's the Republicans who have fooled all these "poor white trash" into thinking that Black people are their enemy, when it's really wealthy Republicans who are their enemy.

Dude, I sincerely hope you manage to stay around long enough to learn something...but I doubt that will happen, somehow.

[Sabriel]

39. Here are some privileges whites enjoy that others don't:

(From Peggy McIntosh)

1. I can if I wish arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.
2. I can avoid spending time with people whom I was trained to mistrust and who have learned to mistrust my kind or me.
3. If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area which I can afford and in which I would want to live.
4. I can be pretty sure that my neighbors in such a location will be neutral or pleasant to me.
5. I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed.
6. I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented.
7. When I am told about our national heritage or about "civilization," I am shown that people of my color made it what it is.
8. I can be sure that my children will be given curricular materials that testify to the existence of their race.
9. If I want to, I can be pretty sure of finding a publisher for this piece on white privilege.
10. I can be pretty sure of having my voice heard in a group in which I am the only member of my race.
11. I can be casual about whether or not to listen to another person's voice in a group in which s/he is the only member of his/her race.
12. I can go into a music shop and count on finding the music of my race represented, into a supermarket and find the staple foods which fit with my cultural traditions, into a hairdresser's shop and find someone who can cut my hair.
13. Whether I use checks, credit cards or cash, I can count on my skin color not to work against the appearance of financial reliability.
14. I can arrange to protect my children most of the time from people who might not like them.
15. I do not have to educate my children to be aware of systemic racism for their own daily physical protection.
16. I can be pretty sure that my children's teachers and employers will tolerate them if they fit school and workplace norms; my chief worries about them do not concern others' attitudes toward their race.
17. I can talk with my mouth full and not have people put this down to my color.
18. I can swear, or dress in second hand clothes, or not answer letters, without having people attribute these choices to the bad morals, the poverty or the illiteracy of my race.
19. I can speak in public to a powerful male group without putting my race on trial.
20. I can do well in a challenging situation without being called a credit to my race.
21. I am never asked to speak for all the people of my racial group.
22. I can remain oblivious of the language and customs of persons of color who constitute the world's majority without feeling in my culture any penalty for such oblivion.
23. I can criticize our government and talk about how much I fear its policies and behavior without being seen as a cultural outsider.
23. I can criticize our government and talk about how much I fear its policies and behavior without being seen as a cultural outsider.
24. I can be pretty sure that if I ask to talk to the "person in charge", I will be facing a person of my race.
25. If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I haven't been singled out because of my race.
26. I can easily buy posters, post-cards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys and children's magazines featuring people of my race.
27. I can go home from most meetings of organizations I belong to feeling somewhat tied in, rather than isolated, out-of-place, outnumbered, unheard, held at a distance or feared.
28. I can be pretty sure that an argument with a colleague of another race is more likely to jeopardize her/his chances for advancement than to jeopardize mine.
29. I can be pretty sure that if I argue for the promotion of a person of another race, or a program centering on race, this is not likely to cost me heavily within my prsent setting, eben if my colleagues disagree with me.
30. If I declare there is a racial issue at hand, or there isn't a racial issue at hand, my race will lend me more credibility for either position than a person of color will have.
31. I can choose to ignore developments in minority writing and minority activist programs, or disparage them, or learn from them, but in any case, I can find ways to be more or less protected from negative consequences of any of these choices.
32. My culture gives me little fear about ignoring the perspectives and powers of people of other races.
33. I am not made acutely aware that my shape, bearing or body odor will be taken as a reflection on my race.
34. I can worry about racism without being seen as self-interested or self-seeking.
35. I can take a job with an affirmative action employer without having my co-workers on the job suspect that I got it because of my race.
36. If my day, week or year is going badly, I need not ask of each negative episode or situation whether it had racial overtones.
37. I can be pretty sure of finding people who would be willing to talk with me and advise me about my next steps, professionally.
38. I can think over many options, social, political, imaginative or professional, without asking whether a person of my race would be accepted or allowed to do what I want to do.
39. I can be late to a meeting without having the lateness reflect on my race.
40. I can choose public accommodation without fearing that people of my race cannot get in or will be mistreated in the places I have chosen.
41. I can be sure that if I need legal or medical help, my race will not work against me.
42. I can arrange my activities so that I will never have to experience feelings of rejection owing to my race.
43. If I have low credibility as a leader I can be sure that my race is not the problem.
44. I can easily find academic courses and institutions which give attention only to people of my race.
45. I can expect figurative language and imagery in all of the arts to testify to experiences of my race.

[Terran]

40. dupe-delete

[JayS]

41. The group does not have to be black. There are many groups...

...that do stick up for black people because of historic and current discrimination towards them. I do at times have major trouble with some of the actions their leaders take or statements they make, but I find many of their members a delight to work with and talk to. I am sure this is true of about any group though.

Regarding the poor white trash crowd...I don't know of any group that speaks for them. They get the same general treatment of any group of people that has little money and does not tend to vote; that is, they are largely ignored until they do something that effects the rest of us, like form gangs and run around killing people.

If they were getting run out of their homes in violation of their civil rights, the ACLU might get involved. If Walmart was going to harm the environment by building on their trailer park, an environmental group might get involved. If they register to vote, and actually vote, then their Congress Critter will be able to marry this fact with their calls and letters and will be a little more interested in getting involved in their plight.

[smirkymonkey]

54. Are you kidding?

They have the Klan and the Khristians.

[tedzbear]

58. Why don't YOU start a group for poor white trash?

Instead of bitching about it. As far as Walmart is concerned, the answer for that problem is UNIONS.

[Terran]

11. By your logic...

Bush could justify breaking off contact with most of the outside world. He's the freakin' President! He kind of *has* to communicate with people whether they are supporters of his or not. I really wonder why you would want to cut him that kind of slack.

[Ripley]

13. He won't be here long...

He's building up his posts the way the lame ones do..by typing nonsensical junk in other post responses instead of actually reading and learning.

[Radio]

14. Wrong...I am presenting my opinion..

[mopaul]

18. express your bad seff brotha

let it all hang out homey

[Ripley]

19. My opinion sounds eerily exactly like Bushbot lingo..

But I want you to listen to me because it's a free country and all and I'm all about me and I need attention and :puke:

[chiburb]

42. I hope he's buried in the "integrated" graveyard...

Lord knows white people don't need special priveleges...

R.I.P.

[Tardisian]

10. Didn't * say (about the NAACP)

something on the order of "I won't talk to them because they called me names"? I'd say that was pretty childish, except I think most children know better than that!

[JayS]

22. One or two of their leaders made some statements that went...

...beyond the political and well into the personal. From that one could make a case that it was justified to go and speak at a different group that parallels the NAACP. However, one of the leaders did make a very public apology and offer to bury the hatchet and a speech to the NAACP is not for the leader's benefit but for the benefit of the members.

[Karenina]

35. This is a job for

RAID Flea and Tick Bomb! :silly:

[JayS]

60. Not sure what you mean. n/t

n/t

[ArkDem]

44. >do you think one of them might marry your daughters?<

wouldn't that be bigamy?

[BringEmOn]

46. Yes, that would be big o' me.

[Danger Duck]

47. This entire topic

is pointless. Of all of the issues to nail Bush on, race is probably the least, and not intellectually honest. We have to ask what distinguishes our party from Republicans, and ourselves. It degrades people who are black and do not express the same views as us as being "tokens". I believe that that is bigoted and racist. Saying someone is not "black" enough encourages racial stereotypes.

That being said, we need to focus on what the Democratic party is and is not doing for African-Americans, and what really distinguishes us from Republicans. There is the wedge issue of Affirmative Action, but the last official statement from the white house supported the Supreme Court decision(despite an amicus brief decrying it before the court ruled).

I believe in equal opportunity for all, and eventually, a colorblind society. Some people thin that we are already there, I do not. And an intelligent look at the public schools, and the economic conditions of African-Americans indicate that there is not a level playing field, and I am not opposed to the government aiding people who are victimized by these conditions.

That last paragraph should be the stance of any Democratic candidate, but has Kerry addressed this yet, or is he too concerned with losing undecided voters?

[DrWeird]

49. The fact that the President is a bigot is pointless?

I dare say, somebody who is supposed to be representing millions of black people and being the leader of the free world is a damn dirty racist, is pretty damn important.

[Danger Duck]

50. Why is he a bigot?

Like i said, this is intellectually dishonest. He has not said or done anything that could be construed as bigoted. He has black people in his cabinet.

Simply because you don't like Bush, you can't abstract other negative qualities on him. Especially when our party is doing little that is different. Race is status quo in both parties. We make pretty speeches every four years, but nothing ever changes.

Don't get me wrong. Bush is a liar, cheat, idiot, product of Nepotism who is hurling our entire world into chaos. He also smells bad, probably. But I think it's myopic to call him a bigot.

[Ripley]

53. I'll give you an example...

Bush was speaking to the President of Brazil at some meeting in Europe (I think) and he asked him if they had blacks in his country too?

Condi had to inform him that blacks constitute the largest majority of citizens in Brazil outside of Africa.

The self-proclaimed leader of the free world is ignorant and racist by that remark.

[Danger Duck]

55. He's an idiot...

Sorry, one of my pet peeves is impugning people of qualities that are flame bait only.

I view W as an idiot savant, shaved ape, clumsily wandering through the white house, occasionally writing on the walls in his own feces. I just don't view him as a racist though. I think he's more or less good natured, and a complete tool of more evil men, a la Karl Rove and Dicky C.

We give him too much credit. He's an Astrix, and he can barely spit a coherent sentence out of his mouth.

If people want to call him racist, that's their prerogative, but I think that it's a baseless charge.

I also think that in calling Republicans racist, in general, it takes away from the fact that neither party is doing much too help disadvantaged groups.

[Karenina]

57. Idiot SAVANT????

BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I'll give you the benefit and look for the "savant" part! Maybe you can enlighten as to where I might begin my search! And in turn maybe I can encourage you to Google: EUGENICS

Got folks in your family who use the N-word? Ever tell 'em they can't use it around you? It's HARD, I KNOW. :hug:

[Danger Duck]

62. Not sure I follow you....

What Eugenics has to do with this thread, or this century. And apparently I'm tolerant of people in my family using racial slurs, based on what?

I guess I will goose step with you and the others and blindly believe any accusation made on this board. That's good thinking, and a healthy liberal attitude.

[Karenina]

68. It's a bit much to take in all at once

especially if you've had no practice in suspending disbelief...
Maybe this will help:
http://www.newamericancentury.org

[Danger Duck]

56. Oh

and the example that you gave me is one of ignorance, not racism. Racism is the belief that one race is superior than another.

[Karenina]

59. Duck defends *dauphin?

Ignorance is "presidential?" Film at 11. :silly: (prep... to, dear, to. ;-))

[Danger Duck]

63. For the love of crumb cake..

I'm not defending * by pointing out that he is ignorant, not racist. There is a difference. And where did I say it was "presidential?" What is wrong with you?

[DrWeird]

61. Bob Jones.

He had a campaign rally at a white supremacist camp.

I'd rather think it's myopic not to notice he's a bigot.

[Danger Duck]

64. touche

thanks for a good example. Kind of Like Reagan giving a "state's right" speech in the deep south to kick off his campaign.

I agree, if you're trying to avoid the image of a racist or bigot, this would be a forum to avoid.

[DrWeird]

65. Ah yes, the Neshoba County Fair.

The Neshoba County were those three civil rights activists were murdered. The same time the thoroughly racist Ronald "Sheep and Cows Don't Mix" Reagan was giving his 15 years too late pro-segregation speech, he was establishing the Ronald Reagan Institute for Race Policy, which not coincidentally awarded George W. Bush an honorary masters degree.

[Danger Duck]

66. I can't find an article

but I remember Reagan making a speech, while Governor of CA, about not having "wild haired savages" move into "respectable neighborhoods.

However, in terms of outright racism, I think Nixon was the biggest cross-burner of any US president. But I'm going pretty far back with him. There are a lot of comments that he made on tapes that are outrageous.

[Karenina]

69. "I can't wait to hang it."

:eyes:

[Tight_rope]

67. Bush can't think...Karl Rove does all his thinking for him!...n/t