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ThreeCatNight Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 08:28 AM
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* and the VA
Does anyone have the details on *'s cutting of VA or military beneftits?
I have a friend (yes it is possible to have a Con friend)that is on the edge of switching sides.
I understand that * cut some VA benefits, but my friend wants proof. I think this will bring him to our side once and for all, since we are both vets.
I am searching the net for the evidence I need, but maybe one of you all have it handy.
Any help will be appreciated.

Changing the world...one Con at a time.
Artie
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July Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 08:29 AM
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1. I think the DAV has information.
I'll get back to you if I find some details.
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ihaveaquestion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 08:43 AM
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2. Yes, the DAV has criticized *
Here's one link - http://www.dav.org/news/documents/news_20040204b.pdf

There are others.
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ThreeCatNight Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 08:51 AM
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3. Perfect.....
I have found a couple of newspaper sources, but of course those are from the liberal controlled media. <snirt>
I don't think he can dispute the DAV.

Thanks bunches.
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vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 08:58 AM
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5. Check my link as well Artie...
Edited on Wed Aug-04-04 09:02 AM by vetwife
http://groups.msn.com/UnitedVeteransofAmerica/whatsnew
also
http://groups.msn.com/VeteransforUnification/whatsnew (Not mine but
has a Veterans Broadcast running from there)
http://VetsforJustice.com


Many leaders of Veterans Groups swore that they would remember those politicians that betrayed us at election time. That they would put aside politics and be 100% Veteran. Out the door in 2004 became their battle cry!
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ThreeCatNight Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 09:43 AM
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12. Great links
Thanks for the links...they are a wealth of information!!!
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 08:55 AM
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4. This morning on CNN, a man said,
"As a disabled veteran, I am voting for Bush." What is the mindset of some of these idiots?
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ThreeCatNight Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 08:59 AM
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6. Must have been a test case
for mind control or something.
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ThreeCatNight Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 08:59 AM
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7. Must have been a test case
for mind control or something.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 09:04 AM
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8. Category 8 "Wealthy" veterans=income of $25-35K a year (3 sources)
The DoD itself
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Jan2003/n01242003_200301242.html
The secretary also suspended new enrollments by veterans in Priority Group 8, the one with the lowest statutory priority. This group includes veterans who are not being compensated for a military-related disability and who have "higher incomes," generally about $30,000 or more.

Group 8 veterans who were enrolled by Jan. 17 are "grandfathered" and can continue receiving VA health care.

He said he suspended Group 8 enrollments to ensure VA has capacity to care for veterans with military-related disabilities, lower-income veterans, and those with special needs, such as blind veterans and those with spinal cord injuries.



http://www.doublestandards.org/defazio1.html

January 8 of this year, the Bush administration cut off VA health care for 164,000 veterans. They put them in a new category called Category 8. They are wealthy veterans just like the wealthy people they are giving tax breaks to. Well, not quite. The wealthy people the Bush administration is raining tax breaks on earn over $311,000 a year. But these vets are wealthy. They do not deserve that veterans health care, according to the Bush administration. They earn $25,000 a year. They should pay for their own health care.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A4064-2003Jan16
The restrictions, which take effect today, apply to what the agency calls Category 8 veterans, the lowest priority in health care. These are veterans with relatively high incomes who do not suffer from military service-related disabilities or health problems. Category 8 income levels vary depending on geographic location, but Principi said generally the restrictions will apply to veterans with annual incomes of $30,000 to $35,000 or higher.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 09:08 AM
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9. I Need Those Links, Too. Thanks
A Vietnam vet who hasn't voted before tells me that his daughter told him she found on the internet information that KERRY was going to cut vets benefits. These links will show what Shrub has done. But this dude credits Shrub PERSONALLY for having "given" him his disability check (because it started while Shrub has been in power). Since Shrub's cuts don't directly or immediately affect him, he will not be likely to be very swayed. It's amazing the level of ignorance, but goes to show that besides local, all politics is personal.
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fishface Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 09:09 AM
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10. In a related story...Bush refusal to mandate funding levels
New Haven Register

Vets’ needs outpace funding increases

By Joe Straw

Published on June 22
WASHINGTON - A recent report by a presidential task force stated officially what many American veterans, and their advocates, have long known: Increases in demand for care at Veterans Affairs health care facilities are far outpacing increases in funding.

The result is tangible to newcomers to the VA health care system: At the beginning of this year, there were more than 236,000 vets waiting at least six months to get an appointment for a routine checkup or follow-up visit.

The report’s recommendation was a simple one, but a tall order: "full funding" of the VA health care system to meet all demands provided for by law.

The problem, according to veterans groups and some legislators, is that unlike annual funding levels for Social Security or Medicare, which are mandated by law, yearly funding for VA health care programs is "discretionary," leaving it vulnerable to the budgetary and political climate of any given year.

Spurred in part by the findings and recommendations of the task force, which was formed by President Bush in 2001, lawmakers have drafted a series of bills they hope will place VA funding, and services to veterans, on steadier ground.

U.S. Rep Rosa DeLauro, D-3, has co-sponsored a bill written by U.S. Rep John Larson, D-1, that would institute time guidelines for veterans’ care.

Under the Larson-DeLauro bill, if VA health care institutions fail to provide care for a patient within a set period of time, that veteran is free to pursue the same care from a private provider, at the VA’s expense.

Three other bills address the funding issue at its root.

Two bills - one sponsored by U.S. Sen. Tim Johnson, D-S.D., the other by U.S. Rep. Lane Evans, D-Ill. - would institute mandatory funding levels for veterans’ health care, determined by formula based on projected demand and the rate of health care cost inflation.

A bill co-authored by U.S. Rep. Rob Simmons, R-2, a combat veteran and chairman of the House Veterans Affairs Health subcommittee, would establish an independent panel composed of economists and health care industry experts that would recommend the needed budget appropriations to achieve "full funding" for the next fiscal year.

"Our approach is to take the politics out and put the experts in," said U.S. Rep. Chris Smith, R-N.J., chairman of the House Veterans Committee and the bill’s co-author.

While the Simmons-Smith bill would not mandate funding levels, a Republican House staffer called the bill "the best chance we have."

The Bush Administration’s opposition to mandatory funding levels - and the establishment of an independent panel - was discussed last week by Deputy Secretary of Veterans Affairs Leo S. Mackay Jr., in testimony before the Veterans Affairs Committee.

"We would strongly oppose any form of mandatory funding - including formulas set in statute and independent bodies directing budget levels," Mackay said.

Veterans groups, however, are pushing for mandatory funding, which would prevent cuts from authorized funding by the executive Office of Management and Budget, and during the legislative appropriations process, both of which, said Disabled American Veterans spokesman Dave Autry, are "subject to political whims."

"If it were mandatory, it would bypass the sausage grinder of OMB, and the sausage grinder of the appropriations process," Autry said.

Steve Thomas, a spokesman for the American Legion, said his organization would not back any piece of legislation until all are reviewed at the legion’s national convention this August.

Legislation introduced by Evans last year, similar to his new bill, was "very well-received," Thomas said.

The presidential task force’s 152-page report traced the growing gap between demand and funding at the VA to the Veterans Health Care Eligibility Reform Act of 1996, which expanded the VA’s mission from treating service-related disabilities to general health care for veterans.

The VA’s health care budget has grown over the past decade from around $20 billion to nearly $24 billion, but spending per patient has dropped from more than $7,000 per patient to just under $5,000 per patient, according to the task force report.


<http://www.house.gov/simmons/print/inthenews96.html>



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fishface Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 09:28 AM
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11. See if this helps..
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ThreeCatNight Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 09:52 AM
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13. Bingo!!!
This is perfect.

Thanks!!!
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 09:57 AM
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14. Here are many links
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 09:59 AM
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15. Haha, from VetWife's Site: Shrub's Ribbons vs JK'S
Edited on Wed Aug-04-04 10:01 AM by UTUSN
The graphics urls don't print here. It showed JK's medals, then Shrubs "Pabst Blue RIBBONS" Haha.
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