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democratreformed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 03:57 PM
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OMG. Just got this e-mail from a supplier who is also a pretty good
Edited on Wed Aug-04-04 04:06 PM by democratreformed
friend. To clarify, he is a pretty good friend to my dad (who owns this business) and to our resident engineer. I need help with this one. Can DU help me come up with a response?

Subject: Truth you should know

Made In Mexico

Shortly after reading the following e-mail content, I happened to look at the label of a jar of Heinz sandwich slice pickles. Yep.... Made in Mexico. Check some of your Heinz products. "Sen. John Kerry keeps talking about U.S. corporations leaving this country and setting up shop in foreign countries, taking thousands of jobs with them. He is right, because that has happened. However, he is trying to blame it on George W. Bush. As far as I know, Bush has not moved one factory out of this country because he is not the owner of a single factory.


That cannot be said about Kerry and his wife, Teresa Heinz-Kerry.


According to the Wall Street Journal, the Kerry's own 32 factories in Europe and 18 in Asia and the Pacific. In addition, their company, the Heinz Company, leases four factories in Europe and four in Asia.


Also, they own 27 factories in North America, some of which are in Mexico and the Caribbean. 80% of Heinz products are made overseas. I wonder how many hundreds of American workers lost their jobs when these plants relocated in foreign countries. I also wonder if the workers in Mexico and
Asia are paid the same wages and benefits as workers in the United States.
Of course they're not. However, Kerry demands that other companies that relocate should pay the same benefits they did in the U.S. Why does she not demand this of the Heinz Company, since he is married to the owner? If Kerry is elected, will he and his wife close all those foreign factories and bring all those jobs back to America? Of course they won't. They're making millions off that cheap labor. Please e-mail to at least 5 people. Thank you and make your vote count.....

Try; MADE IN USA!!!***********

Edited: I just replied to him with this e-mail:

Hi XXXX,
XXXX here. Just replying with some truth you should know:

Then, I copy and pasted the info from snopes.com.

Thanks Duers!


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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 03:58 PM
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1. Snopes it.
Edited on Wed Aug-04-04 03:59 PM by trotsky
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democratreformed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 04:00 PM
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2. Oh, thanks for the edited link
I was just fixing to ask exactly what to do. Please forgive my ignorance.
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democratreformed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 04:02 PM
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4. Ha! That's exactly what I thought!
I wasn't sure about Theresa, but I was fairly certain that John Kerry doesn't own any part of Heinz. Thank You!
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RubyDuby in GA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 04:01 PM
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3. Ok
Try telling friend of your dad's to do a little research before he flies off the handle. JK and the most awesome Mama T don't own the Heinz Company. Tell him to say it slowly. Two....separate....entities.....
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democratreformed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 04:03 PM
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6. I am just fixing to send a return e-mail with the CORRECT info.
Someone upthread pointed me to Snopes.
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 04:32 PM
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16. I want to start a counter rumour - "Heinz also makes W ketchup!"
and they are cashing in on your stupid boycott you RW fools!
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Worst Username Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 04:02 PM
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5. debunked
Edited on Wed Aug-04-04 04:03 PM by shylock1579
http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/heinz.asp

Oh, and John Heinz was a republican.
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 04:03 PM
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7. Fire this supplier. Not for his politics, but because he's an IDIOT!
Edited on Wed Aug-04-04 04:04 PM by Richardo
1) Neither Kerry nor Theresa control Heinz Corp. They do not own a single factory, either.
2) Heinz makes food products and hence puts the factories where their consumers are. Out of the '80% of Heinz products made overseas' how many are re-imported to the US? I'd wager almost none.
3) "Reply all" to this e-mail and make your vote count.

Like everyone else, I recommend snopes.
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Wilber_Stool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 04:05 PM
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8. I shop at what we call
Edited on Wed Aug-04-04 04:09 PM by Wilber_Stool
bent and dent wholesale grocery stores. I not only see products from Mexico but the Middle East as well. No big deal.
I've also heard that because they use different recipies ind different countrys, it may be requested if a larg ethnic population is present.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 04:10 PM
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9. "Married to the owner."
Weeeeeeeehahahahahahahaha!

Bahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
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Green Mountain Dem Donating Member (784 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 04:11 PM
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10. Hope you clicked on.....
"Reply All" in your return e-mail.
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democratreformed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 04:13 PM
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12. Damn! I sure didn't.
I'll do that now.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 04:11 PM
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11. Gee, if your supplier is looking for corporate malfeasance
You might mention that Halliburton just got fined by the SEC $7.5 million for financial shenanigans from 1998, which is when {gulp!} Dick Cheney was CEO of Halliburton, and the same year Halliburton's "offshore" subsidiaries were doing $23 million worth of business with {double gulp!} Saddam Hussein.
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Obamarama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 04:20 PM
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13. I import food and beverage products into the US......
If our Heinz condiments were being made outside the US, the label would need to not only list the country of origin, but would also have to say "Imported by ______name of importer here_______."

That's per FDA labeling guidelines. When you check your Heinz product labels you will NOT find these! Why? Because they aren't imported!

Heinz may indeed have overseas manufacturing sites, but the products are not being imported into the US.

Of course, we already know that this is all bunk any way and that the Kerry-Heinz's aren't involved in the management of the company. Just sharing so you all can have another fact on your side.
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nosmokes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 04:29 PM
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14. don't forget *vote for bush* made in myanmar gear! n/t
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 04:29 PM
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15. Why are they only worried about outsourcing when they
think, errantly (is that redundant? RWers 'think errantly'?), that it is a Democrat doing it?

Is it any wonder they can attack Iraq in the name of getting OBL. Classic gang that couldn't shoot straight. Faulty intelligence.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 04:57 PM
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17. ASIDE from the fact that he has NOTHING at ALL to do with the CO. She is
her own woman, with her own assets and that 4% doesn't count for anything.

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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 05:02 PM
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18. Please let us know about his response,
if he even gives you one.
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democratreformed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 09:14 AM
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19. Here's his response.
Help me with it, would you?

"XXXXX....APPRECIATE THE INFO ON KERRY...IT MAKES SENSE FROM A PRODUCTION/SHIPPING POINT OF VIEW...I WILL PASS THIS ON TO OTHERS AROUND HERE THAT THINK THE ORIGINAL IS GOSPEL TRUTH....WHAT HAVE YOU GOT ON HIS PURPLE HEARTS AND THE STATEMENTS HE MADE AFTER HE RETURNED FROM HIS SHORT TOUR OF DUTY IN VIET NAM. I SAW AND HEARD ON THE NEWS WHAT HIS SHIPMATES SAID...PERHAPS THAT WAS JUST POLITICAL PROPAGANDA...LET ME KNOW....XXXXX
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 10:08 AM
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20. Thank you.
The info on his Purple Hearts can also be found on Snopes:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/service.asp
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democratreformed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 11:20 AM
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21. Yes, someone else helped me with that info.
Isn't it exciting? The response was not at all what I expected. He seems like he will be very receptive to the truth.
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 12:05 PM
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22. Sometimes people believe a lie only due to the absence of truth.
Show them the truth, and they are receptive to it.
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