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ParisFrance Donating Member (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 11:44 PM
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The government must find a way to halt teenage marijuana use
In my opinion the drug's use is becoming out of control.
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DaveSZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 11:45 PM
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1. It's easier for them to get than beer
What does that tell you about the drug war?

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ParisFrance Donating Member (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 11:46 PM
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4. That is completely true.
Edited on Wed Aug-04-04 11:47 PM by ParisFrance
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LifeDuringWartime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 12:38 AM
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40. yup
definitely true
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 11:46 PM
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2. Send all the teenagers to Gitmo.
No marijuana in Gitmo.
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 11:46 PM
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3. Send all the teenagers to Gitmo.
No marijuana in Gitmo.
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ParisFrance Donating Member (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 11:47 PM
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5. What is Gitmo?
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DieboldMustDie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 12:00 AM
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19. Slang for the Guantanamo, Cuba naval base/prison camp.
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Dying Eagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 11:47 PM
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6. how do you feel about ADULT marijuana use.
Because I smoke. It didn't ruin me. I have a job, family, nice house, 2 cars. Weekend smokers over the age of 18 should be legalized!!
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ParisFrance Donating Member (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 11:49 PM
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8. Did you smoke addictively?
Your brain cells are also killed hence you become dumber.
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democrat_patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 11:52 PM
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16. Your post leads me to think

that you must smoke consantly.

Marijuana is not dangerous. I know you heard someone on Fox say it was, but it really isn't.

What's next? Prohibition?
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ParisFrance Donating Member (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 12:08 AM
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24. I've heard both ways that marijuana kills brain cells
Edited on Thu Aug-05-04 12:09 AM by ParisFrance
I really don't know what the truth on that is.
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drdigi420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 12:00 AM
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20. Totally false
Edited on Thu Aug-05-04 12:01 AM by drdigi420
Cannabis has NEVER been shown to kill brain cells.

ONE study, in which monkeys were force fed 100s of times the amount of smoke than a cannabis user smokes, was done that even came close to suggesting that it does, and it was discredited because it didn't take into account that LACK OF OXYGEN also kills brain cells.

Don't be so gullible.

Alcohol, on the other hand, has been PROVEN, in multiple studies, to kill brain cells.

Prohibition doesn't work. It didn't work for alcohol, it isn't working for other drugs.
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leftistagitator Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 12:08 AM
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25. Wow, marijuana kills brain cells
Lie much?
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Dying Eagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 12:17 AM
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30. No, I said
Weekend smoker. I am no addict for smoking once or twice a week. I hardy ever go out drinking, once a month maybe. I think I am better off with the pot.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 12:26 AM
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35. Addictively?
Define "addictively." I'm not sure how one does something "addictively."

One can be addicted to some substance or behavior, and one can obsessively use substances or engage in obsessive behaviors, and this can lead to addiction. However, there is no evidence that marijuana is an addictive substance, and the behavior that leads to its obsessive use has less to do with the drug than other mental disorders that can lead in multiple directions. A person with an addictive personality would actually do less harm to his body and mostly likely less harm to society as a whole if he or she were psychologically addicted to marijuana than were he or she chemically addicted to alcohol or meth, etc.

Personally, I think the world would be better off if more people would smoke pot. It's hard to think about starting a war if you're stoned, unless of course someone is hoarding all the Cheeze-Its.

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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 11:48 PM
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7. I'd much rather catch my daughter with pot
Than cigarettes or alcohol. That shit will kill you. If I caught her with cigarettes I'd flip out. A little weed wouldn't bother me nearly as much.
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 11:50 PM
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10. my bro caught his daughter with a couple ounces
I asked him if I could have it

his sister in law asked first

his wife gave it BACK!
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 11:49 PM
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9. Compare Marijuana "out of control"
to alcohol "out of control"
to crystal meth "out of control"
to cocaine "out of control"
to heroine "out of control"
to steroids "out of control"

marijuana is the best problem you could hope for.
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ParisFrance Donating Member (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 11:50 PM
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11. Yes, but the percentage of teens using marijuna to those drugs is greatly
higher.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 11:51 PM
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13. Link?
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 11:52 PM
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15. And thank god for that
Edited on Wed Aug-04-04 11:53 PM by Must_B_Free
it's because teens are wiser today. They know marijuana is safe. All the rest is trouble. I wish more people would use marijuana instead of drugs.
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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 12:16 AM
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29. I'm all for the decriminalisation of ALL drugs
Edited on Thu Aug-05-04 12:18 AM by Djinn
and agree that alcohol is considerably more harmful to human health than marijuana - however SMOKING it isn't harmless. If you eat it or vaporise it you'll probably never have any drama's - probably, the jury's still out as to whether THC causes some mental illness, merely "triggers" an episiode in those already susceptible or whether people prone to illness tend to self medicate with it, there does seem to be a connection according to most researchers. I wouldn't want to go on the record stating it causes NO harm, and this is coming from someone who until a few months ago was smoking copious amount of pot and had been for over ten years. I'm not a "born again" either, I still smoke a bit. I kept a job that whole time, and can still talk a mile a minute under 6 feet of concrete but I wouldn't go as far as to say it had no effects on me.

That said I've never understood the fact that we allow some recreational inebriation and outlaw others, there are relatively safe levels of usage for pretty much every drug, particularly if they are legalised and regulated much the same as alcohol, resulting in the death of the blackmarket and the availability of drugs whose ingredients and purity are regulated by the govt.

Some people will obviously over indulge, unfortunately you can't legislate against self destruction, most, however wont - just like most people manage to have a glass of plonk for dinner and get pissed at the odd wedding/party without being alcoholics.
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ugarte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 11:51 PM
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12. Yes, we must bring those teenagers under control
We must bring everyone under control. There's too much damn freedom as it is.
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 11:52 PM
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14. I think that drugs should be legalized and regulated. I also
do NOT think that marijuana---WEED--is all that aweful. Booze and teens is another thing. Heroine and harder substances are a wholly different matter also. Weed, puh leeze, Yeah the stuff is more potent, but not all of it. We smoke it. There is even some evidence, under physicians controls, that cannabis may have some medical value in treating youth or others with things like ADD and ADHD. UCLA

Not going for it. I don't want MORE rules and shit brought down on our heads. SET ME FREE PLEASE!!! Education and parental controls should be enough; keep the damn government out of it. Sorry.
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ParisFrance Donating Member (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 11:54 PM
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17. Well, I am not certain , but I think the hard drugs are not used as much
anymore because teens are now aware of their damaging and lethal effects. Just a theory though.
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 12:04 AM
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23. I watch my youngster like a hawk and I'm completely open
with him. No bullshit stories. Doesn't mean he hasn't tried other things...*screeching sound of brakes going on* we put the whoop on that PDQ. Because NO BULL means no bullshit from him either.

He's actually my grandson. I am raising hime (16 yr.old) *sigh* He saw what hard drugs did to his mother. It's tough to keep kids on track but it can be done most of the time. Thanks for the reply.
:hi:
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drdigi420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 12:18 AM
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32. alcohol IS a hard drug
and plenty of teens are abusing it
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Millions Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 11:57 PM
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18. Underage? Yes. Adults? No
I've never understood why marijuana hasn't been legalized. It's not any different than alcohol or cigarettes. It's already used for sick people who live in pain, why not legalize for healthy people who's bodies are able to handle it just as well as the sick. Plus there is a huge amount of alcohol related crime and deaths resulting from alcohol which leads me to believe alcohol is more dangerous than marijuana.
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ParisFrance Donating Member (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 12:04 AM
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22. I agree with you there that alcohol is more dangerous and
I wouldn't have a problem with marijuana being legalized as long as users were able to control how often they use the drug. I fear "pot heads" would rise drastically. I think it would be dangerous to America's future if we legalized marijuana at a time when enconomic prosperity depends on how well you can compete in the world.
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 12:14 AM
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28. Wow
"I fear "pot heads" would rise drastically. I think it would be dangerous to America's future if we legalized marijuana at a time when enconomic prosperity depends on how well you can compete in the world."

What flavor was the Kool-Aid?
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 12:20 AM
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34. Unless, Of Course... You're An Artist, LOL !!!


Could you pass me the rolling papers, man ???

:evilgrin:
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 12:13 AM
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26. Alcohol and Cigarettes are FAR more dangerous.
MJ is on the level of aspirin.
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bossfish Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 12:35 AM
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39. If it is legal, it is harder for kids to get...
Just like booze. Legal for those who are of age.

It becomes a true cash crop and profitable enough for "legitimate" businesses to get in. There goes a lot of the black market access, and the "small businessmen" who sell now go away.

Adults would purchase it just like liquor and cigarettes, from a retail outlet.

Will some kids use? Sure. Some kids drink, too. But right now, because the distribution system is underground and illegal, the seller doesn't really care if the customer is 14 or 44. But, if his license is in danger...

And, I think legal pot would make for some lively ad campaigns..
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Viking12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 12:01 AM
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21. and what do you propsoe the gov't do?
Lock 'em all up and help feed the prison industrial complex? That's worked well to date, NOT.
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leftistagitator Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 12:13 AM
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27. Hmm, teenage use of marijauna has decreased over the past few years
so I don't know what you're talking about. Of course, seeing as how decreases in marijuana use tend to lead to increases in hard drug and alcohol use, the last thing I'm worried about is the "out of control" problem of teenagers discovering marijuana.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 12:18 AM
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31. More information, please!
Drug use per age group. Which drug? Which group?

And the same numbers over time. Compared to 20 years ago? 10? 5?

And just what do you propose the government should do?

Links & details?
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 01:00 AM
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46. The original link is out of date but
I posted about teen marijuana use in France back in April:
French teenagers smoke joints as often as they drink alcohol

French teenagers are among the biggest consumers of cannabis in Europe, smoking joints as often as they drink alcohol, an official study of thousands of students from 450 high schools released showed.

By the age of 18, two boys in three and one of every two girls have tried the narcotic -- illegal in France -- the survey by the French Observatory of Drugs and Drug Use (OFDT) revealed Wednesday.

"By the age of 16, regular consumption of cannabis reaches the level of regular consumption of alcohol," the authors said. Their questioning of 16,833 students last year showed that, by age 18, 21 percent of boys, and seven percent of girls, were smoking more than 10 joints a month.

<snip>

Other drugs apart from cannabis had been tried by only five percent of those surveyed.


I think the poster is talking about France?

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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 01:02 AM
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47. Nope, check the latest drug war propaganda in USA
Thier latest deal is that MJ is dangerously potent and overused by teens and ignorant parents are letting it happen.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 01:08 AM
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49. Sounds like the same old, same old to me... nt
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 12:19 AM
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33. first of all, calling pot a drug is ridiculous . . .
it's an herb . . . and a mild euphoric . . . much rather have kids toking up now and then than drinking alcohol . . . even hear of a potroom brawl? . . . didn't think so . . .
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scottxyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 12:27 AM
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36. Why did anyone even respond to this thread
I'm embarassed to even be doing so myself.

Lots of people use ketchup too. Big deal.
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truthbetold Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 12:32 AM
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37. Oh PLEASE.
The government has been hijacked by neocon bloodthirsty bastards and you wanna whine about pot smoking?
I'm 18 and I've been smoking it off and on for two years now. It hasn't affected my brain power in the least- I'm still a straight A student.
What needs to be stopped are people who bitch about what they consider a "problem" even though they have never encountered it, nor taken the time to research it throughly.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 12:34 AM
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38. Ditto!
:D
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TSIAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 12:43 AM
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41. Never smoked marijuana
I consider it a personal choice. I don't consider it any better or worse than the anti-depressant drugs I took a few years ago. Personally, I think it's hypocritical to condemn certain mind-altering drugs while condoning the use of others. Especially when the danger posed by marijuana is so minimal.

I'm more worried about the inner-cities that are plagued by crack cocaine.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 12:46 AM
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42. Out of control? What have you been smoking?
What on earth are you talking about?
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 12:47 AM
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43. I can see his point though.
First you get the pot heads, then before you know it, people are marrying box turtles...dogs and cats living together...Mass Hysteria!!!
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TSIAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 01:05 AM
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48. Dare I say President Willie Nelson?
:evilgrin:
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 12:49 AM
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44. Les jeunes ne font que se droguer? pas vrai

Seriously, how could the government halt teenage marijuana use? Give the kids something better to do?

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rhino47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 12:49 AM
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45. Im more concerned with teen drinking then weed.
Alcohol is more of a gateway drug then marijuana.
I also never heard of someone getting high and beating the crap out of someone.
Most paramedics/police will tell you they would much rather deal with someone that is smoked then drunk.
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JSJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 01:08 AM
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50. nobody's (including yours) business if they do... nark! n/t
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 02:02 AM
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51. Oh puh-leeze!!!!
:eyes::eyes::eyes:

You're awfully paranoid, perhaps the Government needs to control your drug use?

Gotta love your flame-bait posts! Vous me rendez malade!
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