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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 11:02 AM
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Freeper stopped me in the parking lot - My Car Window SIgn
The small laser printed sign in the back window of my car says simply:

Where are the
weapons?

It has been in my back window since a month after the invasion.

A man approached me in the parking lot at work the other day and asked me, "Do you know where the weapons are?" I paused looking at him and said..."They aren't any." He said in a condecending tone "Well I'll tell you so you know. They are in Syria. And proof of that is the million graves of people Saddam killed with them." He was so serious and was clearly believing it. I stared at him and calmly said "I've heard that before and that is not true. Those claims are easily refuted. There were no weapons." He anglily stared at me and walked away.

It is so amazing how people will cling to a idea. It is as if they are afraid to pinch themselves to see if they are dreaming.

It is so sad that people close their minds to the truth. Even when it slaps them upside the head with a big wet fish.

Peace....someday.
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bkcc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 11:04 AM
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1. It's easier to be spoonfed lies than to think for yourself.
Just ask the Freepers.
(Actually, they don't know that they're not thinking.)
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happynewyear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 11:04 AM
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2. some repuke said that to me too
and it was a long time ago when they had found no WMD after about 2 mos. of this BS war.

These mindless people are beyond all hope IMO!

I saw my bumpersticker of the week the other day:

SUPPORT THE ARMAGEDDON! VOTE BUSH 2004!

*yeek!!!*

:dem: :kick:
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 11:06 AM
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6. That bumper sticker had to be a joke.
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 01:30 PM
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30. that sticker's available around here actually ...
it's sarcasm .... y'know ?
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 01:32 PM
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31. Ah, yes---a bit slow on the uptake today. Too much sangria.
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 11:04 AM
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3. Heh ...
I followed an idiot in this morning who had a Bush/Cheney 04 sticker on the back of his pickup truck, along with a sticker that read :

"Guns don't kill people, abortion kills people"


Grrr.
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pbg Donating Member (253 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 11:12 AM
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16. Guns don't kill people
My favorite variation on this was from the early days of the National Lampoon (you know, back when it was funny--and when it existed--):

"Guns don't kill people; Letter openers kill people"
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 11:34 AM
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24. People eat guns....(nt)
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stewert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 11:05 AM
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4. Car Stickers........

My dad has had a kerry bumper sticker taped to his side window for months now, he says not one person has said a word about it to him.

I even drive that car once in a while to go to the store or rent a movie or pick up some fast food etc. And not one person has said a word about it to me either.

Of course we live in Illinois which is a big Democratic state, in Peoria the Democrats outnumber the Republicans by 60/40.

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Zenaholic Donating Member (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 03:08 PM
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39. I have printed some good ones off the Internet
but never thought to tape them to my car! What a great idea. I'm gonna put my "Repressed Puritans For Bush" on there pronto!
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Rebel_with_a_cause Donating Member (933 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 11:05 AM
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5. The US media has done a bang-up job brainwashing the country
You can only try to make a dent. I'm glad you did.
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 11:07 AM
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7. I had some red neck accost me about my Kerry bumper sticker.
I wasn't in the mood to argue, so I said, "pardonnez-moi, je ne comprends pas l'anglais."

He just stared at me and walked away. I loved that I threw some French in his face. I think it pissed him off even more...
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 11:09 AM
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13. I'll have to try that!
Thanks!
:yourock:
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 11:07 AM
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8. Witness the power of religious thought.
Edited on Thu Aug-05-04 11:13 AM by Cat Atomic
Must be nice when your supporters are trained "believers". They've been trained to think that believing wild claims without any supporting evidence is a virtue.

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greekspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 11:07 AM
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9. Memorization...Indoctrination...Regurgitation
What do you expect from people who live out their lives in a little FAUX/CNNservative/MSGOP/AM Radio bubble, forcing themselves to be oblivious to anything other than Cable Pravda. They do not have to think, they do not have to reason, they do not have to be rational. They just have to drink the kool-aid variety pack of soundbytes they get every day. Its easier to be a conservative than a liberal, because conservatives do not have to think.
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democrat_patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 11:08 AM
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10. I saw a truck with a John Kerry bumper sticker,
so I left a note:

Thanks for supporting Kerry. Bush must go!
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 03:10 PM
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40. I saw a red white and blue Stop Kerry bumper sticker today
Looked almost like a Kerry/Edwards sticker

Really wanted to give the one finger salute. Settled for passing him and politely pulling in front of him so he had to notice my Kerry/Edwards sticker displayed at eye level (magnets are great).

My mood was brightened by seeing 2 more Kerry bumper stickers before I got to work.

Score today 3 - 1 Kerry over idiot boy!
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 11:08 AM
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11. it's the hardest thing to accept that your a fool and have been duped..
or are wrong....the repukes need to direct their anger in the proper direction and cause of it>>>BUSH*
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 12:15 PM
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28. I agree - but they are too proud
to admit their guy lied to them and the whole country. Sad, really...
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Ducks In A Row Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 11:08 AM
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12. it must be sad for that guy
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skygazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 11:09 AM
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14. It's amazing
I have some die hard Republican relatives who still insist those weapons will be found. Talk about having your head in the sand!
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Susang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 11:11 AM
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15. I have a sticker on the back of my white, full face helmet
It says "Bush is a punk-ass chump". I put it there because it has white lettering on a black background and was more visable than the last sticker I had there. The driver behind me is forced to read it, whether they like it or not.

Since I'm in Chicago, the response has been overwhelmingly positive. Except for the rare SUV who tries to run me off the road. But who can say if that's due to my sticker or just their driving abilities? :shrug:
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 11:15 AM
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17. Did you ask him why, if the weapons are in Syria....
we haven't gone after them?

I mean, I would ask said Freeper why he was supporting a pResident who was afraid of Syria. Why is George Bush afraid of Syria? Is he waiting for the support of the UN and France? Why isn't he getting those weapons?

//sarcasm



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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 11:22 AM
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20. I thought about saying.....
Edited on Thu Aug-05-04 11:24 AM by LeftHander
"OMIGOD how could I have been so wrong....lets go sign up right now. Come on you and me together, well leave naked pyramids of Syrians in the rubble. We'll cram stuff up peoples butts, bust down doors, gib anyone that looks wrong....Are you with ME! LETS ROLL!"

But opted for the more annoying approach....


On edit...

Had to ad this:

Torture and War - Bush 04'
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mark11727 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 12:02 PM
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25. "LET'S ROLL!" -- BWAH!
Coffee all over the keyboard -- thanks, Lefty.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 11:17 AM
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18. he desperately needs to believe it
because if there aren't WMD then he through his support of the war and the idiot , is partially responsible for the murder of tens of thousands of innocent people.

(even if WMD had been found that would not have justified the invasion but that's for another post)
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pbg Donating Member (253 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 11:18 AM
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19. Possible response
"Gee, then it really is too bad that Bush fucked up the occupation of Iraq so badly that we're now incapable of invading Syria, isn't it?"

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hadrons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 11:27 AM
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22. good one ...
I love how the weapons are in Syria, but no one was able to notice them being moved
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Longhorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 11:24 AM
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21. And if we had waited for the weapons inspectors to finish
we would have discovered that they were "gone" and never had to invade Iraq!

Oh, but wait -- that's not the REAL reason we invaded Iraq. That was the reason THEN, not NOW!
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 11:32 AM
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23. ...proof of that is the million graves of people Saddam killed with them
Now its millions? Thousand - tens of thousands, now millions. Soon it will be half the human race. These freeper types really got to learn to flip the switch to FM radio - and to turn off the damn Faux news.
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yella_dawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 12:09 PM
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26. Excuse me for being picky...
Edited on Thu Aug-05-04 12:10 PM by yella_dawg
But WMD are by definition expendable. Gas shells, gas missile warheads, nuclear warheads, that sort of thing. If Saddam killed all those millions with his WMD, isn't that as good an argument as any that he doesn't have them anymore?

Have your cake and eat it too, I guess.


on edit: spelling


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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 12:12 PM
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27. So if I have a million bullets....
And I kill a million people with them, I still have a million bullets, but they're over in the next country?

Hope you didn't spend too much time on this over-aged Zygote. Obviously has brain stem function and not much more.
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nickgutierrez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 12:20 PM
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29. No way they're in Syria
Especially not in the quantity the Freeps think they're in. Don't you think, as tightly as Saddam was monitored (especially in the months before Gulf War: The Sequel), something like that would have been detected somehow?

The whole "WMDs in Syria" thing is an incredibly flawed piece of logic. It goes: We bombed Iraq because they had weapons. So they gave them to terrorists in Syria. Therefore, it was right to attack Iraq, because they had WMDs that they might give to terrorists if we don't stop him (except that if they're right, we didn't actually stop him, and we're in more danger in that case).

Argh.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 02:52 PM
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37. Sure the WMD were moved to Syria.
Why, according to The Guardian, even Ariel Sharon says so, and it's not like he had a vested interest in spinning the inability of anyone to find the darn things. </sarcasm>

The Spies Who Pushed For War

The OSP was an open and largely unfiltered conduit to the White House not only for the Iraqi opposition. It also forged close ties to a parallel, ad hoc intelligence operation inside Ariel Sharon's office in Israel specifically to bypass Mossad and provide the Bush administration with more alarmist reports on Saddam's Iraq than Mossad was prepared to authorise.

<snip>

The exchange of information continued a long-standing relationship Mr Feith and other Washington neo-conservatives had with Israel's Likud party.

In 1996, he and Richard Perle - now an influential Pentagon figure - served as advisers to the then Likud leader, Binyamin Netanyahu. In a policy paper they wrote, entitled A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm, the two advisers said that Saddam would have to be destroyed, and Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and Iran would have to be overthrown or destabilised, for Israel to be truly safe.

The Israeli influence was revealed most clearly by a story floated by unnamed senior US officials in the American press, suggesting the reason that no banned weapons had been found in Iraq was that they had been smuggled into Syria. Intelligence sources say that the story came from the office of the Israeli prime minister.
(my emphasis /jc)

www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,999737,00.html
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nickgutierrez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 03:36 PM
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41. Hadn't seen that before
but these guys sound like Israel's own Office of Secret Plans.
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Grins Donating Member (508 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 02:31 PM
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32. Cuz' CONDI SAID SO!!!!
Ask the bastard, “Prove it!

Then ask him if he’s hard of hearing, or if he’s just plain thick-headed, and didn’t hear Condisleza Rice give this quote to Fox News - 7 months ago -: "I don't think we are at the point that we can make a judgment on this issue. There hasn't been any hard evidence that such a thing happened. “
<http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,107946,00.html>

“National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice and Secretary of State Colin Powell have rejected the prospect that Iraqi biological and chemical weapons or missiles were sent to Syria. They echoed U.S. assessments that Saddam would not have trusted Assad with Iraq's missile and WMD assets. "I have seen no hard evidence to suggest that is the case, that suddenly there were no weapons found in Iraq because they were all in Syria," Powell said. "I don't know why the Syrians would do that, frankly, why it would be in their interest. They didn't have that kind of relationship with Iraq."
<http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=36844>

Also: <http://vancouver.indymedia.org/news/2004/01/100709.php>
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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 02:40 PM
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33. Here's the response to that:
You're telling me that, with our military spy satellites constantly patrolling Iraq, somehow all these weapons slipped out of the country without anyone noticing? If that's true, our military is worthless.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 02:47 PM
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35. Even Better, info being . . .
. . .would be to ask him why he has so little respect for our military, our intelligence community, and our administration.

The only explanation for that many weapons to be smuggled away is that he must be saying the military is incompetent. So, why do you hate the troops?

He'd choke on his own stupidity.
The Professor
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 02:43 PM
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34. I wonder if some simply can't fathom that our President took us to war...
based on such a massive lie.

It's like the world around them would change, if they accepted reality. And going to a different world isn't easy for anyone. So denial continues to flow, as push down the truth, stuffing it deep, deep inside.

Yikes. Now I'm scared of these people.
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vincent_vega_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 02:51 PM
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36. Hate to break it to ya
But John Kerry thought there were weapons too, along with the rest of the Party leadership. The argument shouldn't be who thought what about WMD's, it should be about the decision to go to war.

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force — if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002.

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction. "ithout question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. And now he has continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 03:01 PM
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38. Did You Have A Point?
Playing devil's advocate works much better if there is a counterpoint made, rather than just dropping a grenade of tangentially connected fact.

I hate to break it to YOU, but the information that Kerry received was that which was vetted by DoD, and NSA. Who runs those departments again? Oh Yeah, now i remember.

The Professor
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vincent_vega_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 10:11 AM
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42. The point is
it seems like around here unless you belive that Saddam's weapons programs/stockpiles were figments of the Bush Administration's lies, then you are a freeper.

I hate to break it to YOU, but the information that Kerry received was that which was vetted by DoD, and NSA. Who runs those departments again? Oh Yeah, now i remember.

I don't know, why don't you tell me? If you're going to say GWB then well, I hate to break it to YOU but you are wrong. You forgot the CIA and FBI while you're at it. Oh but they're all in on it right?
:eyes:

PS: I'm a Democrat, who realizes that government agencys employ professionals who do their job regardless of who is in the white house, and not someone blinded by their politics.


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