The White House has DECLINED to condemn the Swift Boat liars!!!!

[wicket]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040805/ap_on_el_pr/kerry_mccain

Republican Sen. John McCain, a former prisoner of war in Vietnam, called an ad criticizing John Kerry's military service "dishonest and dishonorable" and urged the White House on Thursday to condemn it as well.

The White House declined.

-snip-

White House spokesman Scott McClellan declined to condemn the ad. He did denounce the proliferation of spending by independent groups, such as the anti-Kerry veterans organization, that are playing on both sides of the political fence.

"The president thought he got rid of this unregulated soft money when he signed the bipartisan campaign finance reform into law," McClellan said. A chief sponsor of that bill, which Bush initially opposed, was McCain.
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And then Scottie uses this as a chance to take a swipe at Campaign Finance Reform (McCain's bill)!!!!!!! :grr: :grr:

[XanaDUer]

1. My blood is boiling about this!

:mad:

[cthrumatrix]

29. he's down in the polls...what can he do? Lie, cheat or steal...expect all.

[City Lights]

2. You can't be surprised by this.

When mccain asked bush to condemn the thomas burch crap thrown at him in South Carolina, bush responded by defending burch's right to his opinion.

[Cha]

10. bush is pure bullshit. he doesn't let people into his rallys who

are "entitled" to their opinion. As long as it is an opinion that he agrees with with.i.e. someone who wants to smear Kerry is ok in the chimp's beady eyes.

[City Lights]

37. I know bush is pure bullshit.

bush is a complete fraud. He stood next to this jerk while he smeared mccain knowing everything being said was completely false. bush is all for freedom of speech as long as it's being used to discredit his opponent. Otherwise there should be limits on it.

[SammyBlue]

spin, spin, spin

Wow. . .how great it is. Bush needs to be taken down vote wise in November. He refuses to tell people "don't do this" and refuses to condemn the ad.

HE IS SO DESPERATE!!!!

[calimary]

31. By the way, posted to one of your other threads - the one about

your getting responses from CNN -

Forgot to say WELCOME TO DU! You are most welcome, indeed. Excellent work!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2160972

[Cha]

3. Of course, they have! Is anyone surprised?

They did this to McCain and they will try to do it to Kerry but I think Kerry is going to have some kind of response that will kick their ass back to the bunkers.

[wicket]

6. No surprised, but incredibly disgusted.

[tridim]

27. I'm very surprised

They had one chance to separate themselves from the ad. It's too late now, they own it. A huge mistake IMO.

[wicket]

30. EXCELLENT point

I hadn't thought of that, omg, this could SERIOUSLY hurt them. And they have no one to blame but themselves.

[Mad As Hell]

Wow.

Unbelievable. Looks like they are now boxed in. Let's make something of this shall we?

[Jacobin]

4. So, what will all the McCain worshippers say to that?

:mad:

[unfrigginreal]

13. Get a grip...

McCain condemns the ad or says nothing...which is better?

Supporting McCain's statement hardly makes one a worshipper.

[demgrrrll]

5. Cmonnnnnnnn November. I want these bastids out right now, today.

A pack of liars. They cannot condemn the ad because they are involved.

[fob]

20. There you go. Kerry should challenge bush* to move the vote UP!

That would mess up any "terraist" plans by shortening their time. I'm ready to vote right now!! bush* are you just gonna let the election be a sitting duck? Plans for postponing it isn't leadership, it's followship. bush* are you gonna wait for an attack before moving heaven and earth to protect us? bush* are you a wimp and a wussy like your dad? C'mon bush*y, let's do it next Tuesday, August 10. What are ya skeered?

[terrya]

7. How can McCain, in good conscience, go to New York this month..

and give a speech endorsing Bush at the Convention, after this?

[Cha]

22. What if one of Kerry's 527s came out with an ad on bush..

only it would be the truth, of course..but so bad that the repukes were screaming for Kerry to "disavow it"?'


And Kerry could say..they have a right to their opinion!

[ProfessorGAC]

28. Apparently The Truth Doesn't Matter

So, if a dem 527 did do that, it shouldn't matter if it's the truth. Right? Apparently, a 527 has the freedom to tell any lie it wants to tell.
The Professor

[kentuck]

8. We can take it they agree with it....

No surprise.

[Skip Intro]

9. Backlash coming

bank on it

[cthrumatrix]

11. of course they are the ones who gave silient approval...just like McCain

in 2000.... it's the the bunnypants unites people

[k in IA]

12. Well, they are such slime balls but this will probably work to Kerry's

advantage.

Now, the issue can be how terrible and scurrilous this ad is and that the WH wont disavow it.

South Carolina and what they did to McCain can be lumped in with what they are trying to do to Kerry and how this is the only way Chimpy can win.

All of their continuing negative attacks can continue to play into the idea of how desperate they are and that they will stop at nothing.

[lottie244]

14. The White House is BEHIND the Swift Boat liars.

If we don't get these bastards out of office in November we are doomed to something worse than 9/11.

[Junkdrawer]

15. It's official: Bush's top attack issue will be the Swift Boat liable...

voiced by everyone else BUT Bush.

[qanda]

16. Shows them for who they are

Disgusting, vile, evil, petty and unethical. I hope this comes back to bite them on the butt.

[wndycty]

17. If the White House does not condemn, then McCain should resign. . .

. . .as head of Bush's campaign in Arizona.

[rangerfan]

Just heard on local talk show that WH should suggest Kerry condemn F9/11

and then they will condemn Swifties. Don't do it guys, stand up to the repukes!!

[k in IA]

21. They have been trying to get Kerry into that fight since it came out and

I think Kerry has been smart to not get into a position where they have to defend MM and everything in the movie. Kerry just says "I haven't seen it".

[Cha]

25. Apples and fucking oranges...F9/11 is the truth the media

Missed! swiftyLiars are making shit up!!

[buycitgo]

18. EVERY DEM surrogate should insist on dumbo

revealing his DD214, if it hasn't been already

AND

INSIST that he reveal WHY he didn't take his flight physical, OR make it up

NEVER, EVER stop talking about that

preface EVERY response to any question with this

why don't they get as down and dirty as the pugs?

I'm SICK of their pussiness

[Ducks In A Row]

19. So now McCain needs to condemn Bush and stop whoring for him.

Come on John. Stand up and be a man.

[spotbird]

34. That is just not going to happen.

McCain makes these statements so that the Democrats will think of him as a straight shooter. He is a low down snake, he'll campaign for * until the last dog dies.

[calimary]

23. "Swift Boat Swifties" I call 'em.

Just. Another. Lie.

All wet. Still trying to pull a fast one.

[progressivebydesign]

24. Then McCain should immediately leave the campaign trail...

.. he should make it clear that he will not set ONE FOOT onto a stage for Bush, until he condemns these ads, and requests that they no longer run on his behalf. McCain is a stand up guy.. he should hit Bush where it hurts, in his endorsement.

[Rebel_with_a_cause]

26. The Bushies are showing their desperation more each day

What has all the lying and deception achieved for them?

Ulcers, coronaries, drug addiction and a shorter life span.

[The Spirit of JFK]

32. We need Wes Clark to take this on.

Much like Dean has been an attack dog for us on other issues, we NEED to get Wes out there to counter-attack.

He NEEDS to go on the press and:

1) As a militray man, condemn any vet who would slander another vet for politcal purposes.

2) Condemn McCain for standing by a man and a party who wouldn't condemn this.

3) Point out the fact that this IS a republican smear campaign....none of the vets served with Kerry and O'Neil has been after Kerry for 30 years. Also point out the money...where it came from...where it goes.

4)Call Bush out...AWOL AWOL AWOL!

[k in IA]

36. Wes would be a good one to get out there.

[BrotherBuzz]

33. Bush* will condemn the ad....

only after its run it's course and done the optimun damage. What's more, the statement condemning the ad will be released on a Friday afternoon news dump to minimize the impact. Par for the course.

[k in IA]

35. Flippity floppity!

[BrotherBuzz]

38. Ummm, yep...

Like I said, par for the course.

[buycitgo]

39. listen to AAR on this

Tom Oliphant, who covered Kerry for thirty years, says the minute McCain spoke changed the equation, according to TV people he talked to

he says the WH is in a quandry over this

I don't get that, cause WHO believes the WH isn't DIRECTLY involved in this?

is he that naiive?

he seems to think they're not sure how to treat this now

how could they NOT, if they're not behind it?

am I wrong here?

[k in IA]

40. They don't seem to be aware that the WH made this statement already.

[tridim]

41. The primary investor in the group is directly linked to Bush

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2160596&mesg_id=2160764

[SidDithers]

44. Primary investor is Bob Perry...

who is much more closely linked to Tom Delay.

http://www.publicintegrity.org/527/search.aspx?act=con&sec=indprof&orgid=806

Sid

[wicket]

42. how did McCain change the equation?

[Bandit]

43. It is all about getting the attention off Bush* and his military service.

They have nothing and they know it but they are quite adebt at changing the focus. Keep it in context. Bush* was AWOL and disobeyed a direct order to take a Flight Physical. Kerry said "Send Me"

[glitch]

45. Good! they've got enough rope, this is group self-hanging I shall enjoy nt

[demgrrrll]

46. I keep coming back to the fact that McCain has to know who was

involved and his asking for the White House to disavow this may be payback of some sort because they did the same thing to him. I keep trying to look for a flip side that might help Bush, maybe to get military service off the table completely somehow. I am not sure how to read McCains's actions at this point. He has disappointed me in the past.

[wicket]

47. kick

:kick:

[JETS]

48. This doesn't suprise me

Bush Inc. will go as low as it needs to in order to retain power. Back in 1992 when W. was assisting his father's campaing, he was begging his father to let him dig up more sexual dirt on Clinton. Born again Christian my ass.

[veteran_for_peace]

49. Veterans need to take a stand

I am a veteran and I am proud to stand beside John Kerry and support him as he takes back the White House. I am disguisted by the current occupant of the white house. I have started my own blog if you want check it out. I will share my thought and feelings.

http://jflood1000.blogspot.com

[wicket]

50. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[DemonFighterLives]

55. Welcome to DU

I would rather stand up with Kerry than AWOL boy anyday and
I'm sure most veterans will feel the same.

[spanone]

51. The Idea Was More Than Likely Hatched in The White House.

Shit sandwiches all of 'em.

[Beetwasher]

52. "Will This Over The Top Negative Attack Ad Spell Doom For Bush?"

This should be the question on every media outlet...If tables were turned, it would be...

[wicket]

53. Even Bill O'Reilly is attacking the ad!

[ItsMyParty]

54. Then Kerry Campaign and DNC, take of the gloves about AWOL!!!

It's time for commercials detailing the newest records showing Bush not paid for at least 5 months because wasn't reporting for duty and what looked like the military ready to take action against him and dishonorably discharge him. We at least have documentation.