Kerry's criticism of *'s 9/11 classroom paralysis doesn't hold much weight

[Kid_A]

We all know that Bush royally fucked up that morning, but it doesn't seem like a very smart move for Kerry to critize him for it. It's one thing to criticize things he's done that Kerry himself will likely run into as President, but I doubt Kerry will be sitting in very classrooms being notified of a terrorist attack. Sure, he'll visit some classrooms, and thanks to Bush's enormous "success" in making us safer there's a good chance that he'll be notified of an attack at least once. But the chances of those things happening at the same time again are probably infinitely minute.

Before you flame me for suggesting Kerry made a campaign faux pas, I just think that Kerry should stick to condemning the bad decisions Bush made when they're ones he'll likely have to make himself as President.

Plus, Michael Moore already did a good enough job of exposing Bush as the spineless fucking coward that he was that morning. For Kerry to repeat it just seems like a waste of time that could be spent on much more important things.

FLAME ON!!:nuke:

[the_outsider]

1. he was asked a very specific question

about what he would have done in the same situation. He did not bring it up as a talking point.

[lunarboy13]

9. Yes, was asked a question...

Kerry was responding to a direct question. Also, some republicans have been asked the same question. On Bill Mahers (sp?) show on HBO he asked a repuke (Rep Drier) what he would have done if he were in that classroom as President...He had no answer and lost his top.

So that's a question a lot of politicians are going to have to answer over the next few months...

[el_gato]

2. Take a cue from marketing research

Ideas have to be repeated to become common knowledge.

The repubes repeat shit ad nauseum until the robots go around repeating it finally.

[Name removed]

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[Cocoa]

4. weird

you're taking that so literally, it's absurd. He's obviously talking about the ability to make decisions, and even more important, forcing further attention on an extremely embarrassing moment for Bush, which the media is doing all they can do to ignore.

[Kid_A]

14. In the article on CNN.com it makes no mention that Kerry

was answering a question. I know that CNN isn't averse to leaving out small details, but from that article it sounds like Kerry brought up the issue himself.

And if he was talking about the ability of a president to make quick decisions, why didn't he pick an issue that not many people know about? Bush has given Kerry a goldmine of things to criticize him for, and for Kerry to pick one that Michael Moore has already slammed out of the park seems like a bad move.

Maybe it's just me, but out of all the stupid things Bush has done as President, this one seems rather played.

[Cha]

21. Well, now you know..it's fucking cnn and they will do it

everytime! I'm glad he didn't duck the question like ol' flunky drier did on Bill Maher's show.

[Cocoa]

25. it's NOT played

and that's the point.

Next up: Bush's completely inconsistent account of his actions on that historic day, and the total failure of anyone to discuss this.

[buycitgo]

38. so what's he spozed to do RUN off the stage, like the

cowardly liar did the other day?

can you read?

[Hoping4Change]

39. How can it be "palyed" when no mainstream news source

reported it till F911 stuck it in their faces. IMO it hasn't been played enough because nothing nothing illustrates awol's utter incompetence better than this. Nothing.

[WI_DEM]

5. I agree

Believe it or not saying something like that may arouse sympathy for the chimp with the average voter.

[aquart]

11. Then you have lots of contempt for the average voter.

Me, I couldn't believe what that ass did or, rather, didn't do on the day.

My state and city are Republican run and THOSE Republicans did the job. They worked, they didn't run. George sat. Then George ran.

Anyone who believes otherwise wasn't there, and wasn't paying attention.

[Nite Owl]

6. But to stay in the classroom

and continue listening to My Pet Goat was a bad decision. One of his first and we get to see it happening.

[Old and In the Way]

7. As Rosanne Rosannadanna would say.....

"Never Mind"

[SidDithers]

10. Emily Latilla, not Rosanna Rosannadanna

minor point :)

Sid

[Old and In the Way]

33. My bad!

I hate that when it happens.....

:-)

[RobertSeattle]

8. But the rabid RW "excuse" for Bush's behavior was absurd

"He didn't want to panic the children" :puke:

[Cocoa]

15. an no one's mentioning how stupid the excuse is

and no one's mentioning that Bush REPEATEDLY LIED about the events of that day.

That's next, I hope.

[Beetwasher]

12. Umm, Kerrry DIDN'T Criticize Bush

He only said how HE would react when he was asked about it...There's a difference...

[ScreamingMeemie]

13. Well, it doesn't seem like a very smart move for the Bush campaign

to criticize Kerry's Vietnam War service...and yet they do. Go figure. :shrug:

I, for one, like hearing my questions being given a voice for once.

[sangh0]

16. "Fight back"..."NO, don't fight back"...."Attack!"..."No, don't attack"

.

[Geo55]

17. Flame equipment on......

Maybe he should have responded....
Well, I would certainly have not read My Pet Goat...it's a lousy book????????

[DaveFL99]

18. repeating is good

That's how they've gotten the "$87 Billion Flip Flop" to stick.

That and the entire US hasn't seen Bush's Deer in the headlights performance. Hell, better than 1/2 of the paople probably don't even know about it. Look at how few people even knew Kerry went to Vietnam.

We need to start using their tactics. Joe Trippi and a republican campaign consultant were on hardball and both said that negatives work.

[Geo55]

22. 1/2 probably don't even know about it

Yep....just explained it to my mail guy minutes ago...curious look on his face.

[KansDem]

19. This is Bush's Achilles' heel...

Even the most rabid Bush supporter must wonder about this...

We all know the story. At best, Bush is a incompetent coward. Worse, he knew something was going to happen and when it did, he sat still for further "orders."

He certainly did not display "leadership." Sure, Michael Moore did an excellent job of exposing this in "F9/11" but it needs to be repeated over and over to counter the "Bush acts decisively" meme.

I can't see how this will create sympathy for Bush from the average American.

[Cha]

23. Anyone that feels sorry for bush because he was reading

"My Pet Goat" instead of being the president(sic)he was selected to be is not working with a full deck.

[DemBones DemBones]

20. A lot of people will never see "Fahrenheit 9/11" but they may hear

what Kerry says and realize that a good Commander in Chief cannot be paralyzed when his chief of staff tells him the country is under attack. He should have shot out of that classroom like a rocket and gotten on the phone to NORAD.

[gooderservice]

26. Seven Minutes

If Bush was informed that Crown Prince Abdullah or
Prince Bandar bin Sultan was on the phone, would he have left them sitting on the phone for seven minutes?

Also, I don't understand why no one is asking why Bush didn't ask WHAT the attack was. It could have been anything.

[SoCalDem]

27. Welcome gooder.. You asked THE question..

He claimed to have "seen" the first pplane attack.. we KNOW that was a lie.. What else is he lying about :hi:

[gooderservice]

28. Thanks for the welcome

This is a great site! :toast:

[KurtNYC]

31. Thank you - Every time this comes up I want to scream

Card is telling him about the SECOND plane! The first one hit before he ever went into the photo op.

So none of them do anything to vary their schedule for about 45 minutes. In spite of the fact that they got a memo...

{in my best Condi voice}: I believe the title was 'bin Laden determined to strike within the U.S.' (fake coughing fit to cover audience reaction)

[Jim Sagle]

24. Chickenshit bullshit.

[Booster]

29. Don't you think sitting on his butt while the WTC went

down in flames was a pretty big mistake? If he had acted and declared a national emergency, at the very least the people in the Petagon would have been saved and probably a lot of the people in the 2nd tower would have gotten out rather been told to return to their desks. He failed miserably on that day and he should be held accountable for his non-action.

[DeepModem Mom]

30. Just look at and listen to Kerry -- he would not have sat in the classroom

I'm reminded of something out of "Primary Colors," when an aide to the Clinton character says during a Democratic primary debate, "There's only one President up there." Bush may occupy the White House, but there's only one President in this contest.

[blm]

32. The reporter ASKED him specifically about it. You think avoiding the ?

would be a smarter tactic?

I think that's pretty dumb, myself.

[louis c]

34. You miss the point

Bush was absolutely correct to finish the reading of the children's book "My Pet Goat" when Andy Card whispered in his ear "America is under attack".

After all, this President reads so little, he just wanted to see how the book turned out.

[democrat_patriot]

35. * keeps saying he's a leader.

Go Kerry go! I have been waiting for this response forever! My parents know nothing about the '7 minutes' (or 30). This is great!

People may now ask: "What DID * do that day?"

[Tight_rope]

36. Kerry told them what a "REAL" Commander in Chief would do!...n/t

[sandnsea]

37. You can't be serious

My daughter informed me that a plane had hit one of the twin towers. Just one. A small plane. Woke me up to tell me. After about 2 minutes, from a sound sleep, I realized something wasn't right about that. Now I'm not even responsible for the defense of the country and I recognized something wasn't right. Kerry said he knew something wasn't right because of the weather conditions. Just no way somebody could accidentally hit the WTC. Bush? "one bad pilot". Is this really the kind of President we would want? By the time the second plane hit, everybody knew it was an attack. Any one of us, if we were the President, would have excused themself from that classroom. John Kerry has already proven he knows what to do when under attack, he proved it over and over again in Vietnam. You bet it's an issue. Not a LIHOP issue, a CiC issue.

[bossfish]

40. CNN's Anderson Cooper...

Just mentioned something of the affect of:

"Kerry had "strong words" about Bush's actions on 9/11...

Is this fair?"

But Anderson made NO mention that it was in response to a question. Just a 15 second hit job.

[bossfish]

41. My bad, that may have just been the tease...

They're going to discuss this after the break

(I know, I replied to myself...)