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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 03:32 PM
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OMG... CNN Bill Schneider misinterprets Manchurian Candidate....
Edited on Thu Aug-05-04 03:34 PM by Flubadubya
Un-f*n' believable! Schneider, CNN political analyst UN-extrordinaire just pulled a good one. He was trying to "interpret" the characters in The Manchurian Candidate. He says "conservative websites are interpreting the 'candidate' as John Kerry", the evil misleader.

Then he goes on to show Glen Close in a scene as the evil co-conspirator in the plot and likens her countenance to "another short-haired blonde politician?"... insinuating that she was supposed to represent Hillary Clinton.

Oh My F*in' God!!! CNN has really gone to the dark side in a HUGE way. He absolutely NEVER suggested that any of the characters may, in any way, represent a Republican. :grr: :mad: :argh:

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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 03:35 PM
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1. Haven't seen it, but
from what I hear, it is probably most sympathetic to Nader.

My s.o.'s parents saw it, and noted that the evildoers candidate was expected to do well in California and New York, but struggle in the South.
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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 03:35 PM
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2. Meryl Streep, not Glenn Close
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 03:36 PM
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3. Plus it was Meryl Streep not Glenn Close
Idiots!

He probably hasn't even seen the movie!!!
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Ivote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 03:38 PM
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Meryl Streep is karen hughes not Glenn Close
and the corp is halliburton
:kick:
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 03:43 PM
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12. She said in an interview that it was those with an agenda that say H Cl
http://www.cinecon.com/news.php?id=0407281

Q: Did you study Hilary Clinton to prepare for this role? We see some similarities…

MERYL: I don’t see anything of Hillary Clinton except maybe bangs or something. Her style is shared with quite a few people, but everyone mentions Hillary. I think because there’s a special venom reserved for people.

Q: What about Karen Hughes (former aide to President Bush)?

MERYL:

THANK YOU!

(EDITOR’S NOTE: Meryl screamed that so loud that it literally startled me. I was not the one who drew the Karen Hughes connection, but ironically, a reporter from another country.)

It’s Hilary that people go after. It’s so interesting. The politics of this character couldn’t be further than from her, but it’s Hilary people go after. It’s really interesting.

....
Q: It was reported that the film was recut and edited in order to make you look less like Hilary. Is that true?

MERYL: You should go and search out that story, because I did yesterday. I was in an interview with Katie Couric and she mentioned it. It’s easy to find. Go onto Google and you can find who this is. You would not want to be associated with this person. It’s a crazy person who has a website in Los Angeles and every reporter mentioned it. Go there. I think it’s a website called ‘Death to Liberals.’ Now this is your source. This is somebody who has an agenda to attack Hillary Clinton.

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liberalcanuck Donating Member (339 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 06:31 PM
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25. Bingo! Karen Hughes is who I thought of right away when I was
Edited on Thu Aug-05-04 06:32 PM by jubug3
watching the clips. Why do I punish myself and watch CNN from time-to-time?

edited for spelling
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 03:36 PM
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4. Schneider is a PNAC hack.
What can you expect from this nazi bu$h lover.
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johnfunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 03:48 PM
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13. AEI, not PNAC
Schneider is a Bought'n'Paid-for Fellow of the American Enterprise institute, a World-class Media Whore.
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Classical_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 06:39 PM
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27. PNAC and AEI are run by the same folks
so he is not incorrect.
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 03:37 PM
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5. Sorry about the Meryl Streep... not Glenn Close.
:shrug:
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candy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 03:38 PM
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6. It's only a movie, for God's sake,who cares how it's interpreted.
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 03:54 PM
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16. It's the blatant MEDIA BIAS that is concerning...
Look at post #12. Streep is evidently on the record that she was NOT portraying Hillary Clinton, so why would a "reputable" CNN pundit say it is so? This is why the "interpretation" of the movie is important. It just shows how deeply biased the media is to the right.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 03:58 PM
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19. And Triumph of the Will was just a musical comedy.
Interpretation always matters. Especially when it's served up on a platter by the mass media.

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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 03:38 PM
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not too familiar with the movie, but...
How plausible is this scenario: A filmmaker decides to resurrect a classic movie and even makes casting decisions all to make a statement about

the impending dangers of the incumbent President's opponent!!!

When is allegory ever focused on someone not in power at the time?

Schneider's a dumbass. He's of the "I'm knowledgeable because I say I'm knowledgeable" school.
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liberalcanuck Donating Member (339 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 06:34 PM
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26. Excellent point -- it makes absolutely no sense at all. n/t
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 03:38 PM
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7. You've got to be kidding.
I know your not but I'm so glad that I don't listen, my blood pressure would be through the roof. The review I had heard last week, I think on Olbermann was that the company was Halliburtin and the Repukes were more upset over this movie than even F9-11. Guess they figured a way out but I don't think the public is going to buy it.
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 03:39 PM
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8. I'm sure this is a calculated move by the right
Anybody who knows anything about the origins of this film/re-make would know otherwise. For further info, see Frank Rich's column in the NY Times arts section.


Cher
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 03:39 PM
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9. Bill Schneider is an AEI fellow
He's totally evil. I saw The Manchurian Candidate last night. Meryle Streep was George HW Bush, the candidate was W, the corporation was Caryle Group, the star (black guy who's name I can't think of) was Bev Harris and the chip was Diebold technology. that's what I thought anyway. haha BTW Meryle Streep already said her character was modeled after a combination of Karen Hughes and Peggy Noonan. Bill Schneider is a LIAR........
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 03:39 PM
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10. Meryl Streep said she modeled on Karen Hughes!!!
You are kidding me!!!

Everything written about "The Manchurian Candidate" has interpreted it as a slam at the other side, not ours!
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Nightjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 03:42 PM
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11. I saw the film
Edited on Thu Aug-05-04 03:47 PM by Nightjock
The politics are seriously dumbed down, which was a turnoff.
The guy who is the sleeper put in the White house is a Democrat but he is brainwashed by a computer chip in his shoulder.
Meryl Streep says her character in no way shape or form is modeled after Hillary Clinton and she is telling the truth.
She is the evil Senator mother of the brainwashed guy.
The man running for President looks a little bit like Kerry but that is the end of the comparison.
What the movie does do is present a world a few years down the road that is overun with terrorist attacks in America and all over the world-and Republicans are in power.
Shnieder is a moron. I bet he did not even watch the whole movie and if he did he was not paying attention. Part of my job is to review movies. I have seen more films than I care to count and notice almost every nuance and message.

By the way, I gave the film 2 and a half out of four stars. It's good, not great. Although denzels performance is terrific.
It's a rental.
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StandUpGuy Donating Member (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 06:15 PM
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23. You are a reviewer? I'm interested in your opinion on a couple of things.
First did it look to you like the ending had been cut and pasted? It looked to me that the last scene was shot in 5 min for about $5.

Second it seemed very confusing to follow which side was which and who the director was trying to implicate. If it was intended as a pure fiction remake I think they would have used less factual and dated support footage and sound bites. I have read that Pentagon technical advice and assistance, (stock footage, equipment rental, and gadgets) comes at a price. Script approval. Do you think Manchurian candidate may have fallen victim to this and was turned from an overt political attack to a confusing by-partisan swipe at the Big bad corporations?

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/search/search_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000509396
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Nightjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 11:17 AM
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28. Reviewing movies is part of what I do.
I work for a small NY radio station. (Classic Rock)I started out with a night shift (hence the name nightjock).
I now am part of a 3 person morning show and besides being one of the three names on the show, I review movies (as well as doing entertainment, sports and music reports everyday.)
I saw the Manchurian Candidate a few weeks before it came out and I thought several parts of the film looked "cheesey."

I did not really find it difficult to tell which side was which. It is a drama-mystery and it took some time to unravel some of the plotpoints, but the director Johnathan Demme is vehemently anti Bush and he would not have made the film if he was making the Republicans look good.
I found it interesting he made the bad guy democratic vice presidential candidate a sympathetic figure (for the most part.)

Yes, the Pentagon does ask for a script before using thier "gadgets" and such- but alot of it depends on WHO is asking. Spielberg usually gets whatever he wants.

Demme has a great reputation in Hollywood and some solid hits. (Silence of the Lambs and Philadelphia come to mind) But he has not had a HUGE hit movie in a while so I would guess if the script landed in a Bush supporters lap at the Pentagon and the movie was a blatent anti Bush film he may have had to tone it down a bit.

But I have access to many Hollywood reports and have not heard Demme complaining about any script changes.
I hope that answers your questions.

p.s. The Village is a blatent anti Bush movie taking aim at the Patriot Act. However, I figured out the BIG secret 30 minutes into the movie and I only gave it 2 stars because it treats the audience like a village idiot. Bryce Dallas Howard, Ron Howards daughter, is TERRIFIC though. But it's a rental.


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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 03:50 PM
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14. Schneider is a Bushevik Loyalist and Mockingbird
WHATEVER he says should be viewed with the same skepticism as the 1978 staff of Soviet Pravda.
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bobbyboucher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 03:52 PM
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15. Meryl Streep plays Poppy, and the missing time from the TANG,
You guessed it.

Althought I knew some whore would try this. Expect worse.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 05:44 PM
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22. I think she is playing poppy too
Edited on Thu Aug-05-04 05:44 PM by Joanne98
And poppy had sex with Dubya. lol
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 06:31 PM
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24. Poppy is in the Middle as Meryl to me.

I agree. Poppy so much wanted and got his Dimson to be President.
He has all the connections and all the motives.

Meryl is Poppy IMO.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 03:55 PM
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17. CNN Needs to be SHUT DOWN!!!
CNN IS HITLER TV!!!

:grr: :grr:

And YES, YES, YES, I AM IN FAVOR OF STIFLING CNN'S RIGHT TO EXIST!!!
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 03:57 PM
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18. Christ what an idiot...
I saw it and it fucking SCREAMS BushCo! My god, it is all there - the Carlyle Group, the private contractors in Iraq, the media complicity, the Brown Scare, the grooming of the Manchurian Candidate by Mama Hughes... (hell my 72 yer old Mom got it was Karen Hughes!)

You would have to be seriously deluded to think otherwise -- or -- be trying to put your own political spin on it.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 05:27 PM
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20. I found an interview with Meryl -- it was Karen Hughes
....Q: Did you study Hillary Clinton to prepare for this role? We see some similarities…

MERYL: I don’t see anything of Hillary Clinton except maybe bangs or something. Her style is shared with quite a few people, but everyone mentions Hillary. I think because there’s a special venom reserved for people.

Q: What about Karen Hughes (former aide to President Bush)?

MERYL:

THANK YOU!

(EDITOR’S NOTE: Meryl screamed that so loud that it literally startled me. I was not the one who drew the Karen Hughes connection, but ironically, a reporter from another country.)

It’s Hillary that people go after. It’s so interesting. The politics of this character couldn’t be further than from her, but it’s Hilary people go after. It’s really interesting....


http://www.cinecon.com/news.php?id=0407281

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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 05:37 PM
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21. In the "Great" words of Karl Rove (The only smart thing he ever said)
"As people do better, they start voting like Republicans...unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing.” - Karl Rove

Bill Schneider is difinately lacking "much education"! As Karl Rove said...ALL Republicans are dumbasses.
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