The firefighters didn't wait 7 minutes

[sandnsea]

There's your answer to anybody who gets in a tizz about the 7 minutes. IMHO. The firefighters knew what to do. Why didn't our President?

[Jack_DeLeon]

1. what are you referring to?

[JohnKleeb]

2. Bush spent 7 mins in a classroom before leaving on 9/11

Kerry brought up the other day that he would have acted differently. BTW
sandy excellent point on the whole 7 mins thing.

[Jack_DeLeon]

3. ah okay...

that is true.

[stepnw1f]

4. Excellent Comparison

[Bernardo de La Paz]

11. Second that. Excellent Comparison . . . n/t

[OneBlueSky]

5. because he's a dumb shit without a clue . . .

if Rove or Cheney doesn't give him explicit instructions, he's lost . . .

[Tom Kitten]

6. Because

he was fucking clueless...Let's quit being nice, he is totally incompetent and shame on people who support him to the detriment of our country!!! He is absolutely the WORST president in US history!!!

[indepat]

15. Worst by far based on destruction of: the environment; fiscal integrity

of the Federal treasury; alliances, friendships, and goodwill bestowed upon the US in the aftermath of 9-11; much of the Bill of Rights; the rule of law, international law and treaties including Geneva; separation of church and state doctrine; separation of powers among the three main branches of government doctrine; the economy, job market, and value of the dollar; the equal justice under the law doctrine and the independence of the judiciary through nomination of numerous extreme ideologues to the Federal bench confirmed by a radical Congress who seem little more than locksteping lackeys; and the doctrine that war can be justified only as a last, rather than first, resort, and then only if imminent danger is threatened. Are not those who support all this widespread destruction either extreme ideologues, brainwashed, or complete fools, if not all three? Ha not most of the mainstream media wholly prostituted themselves by supporting his policies and shilling for his pre-emptive war(s)?

[JohnnyRingo]

7. Good one...Now I gotta commit a piece of mental hard drive space

...for future recall

[WindRavenX]

8. Because W is a little shit

He is an insult to our country...plain and simple.

[DoYouEverWonder]

9. Because W had to stall

as long as he could in order for all the planes to reach their targets.

[loudsue]

10. That's beautiful, sandnsea...

and oh so true.

"The firefighters didn't wait 7 minutes"

That's the only bumper sticker we'd ever need.

:kick::kick:

[cthrumatrix]

12. classic line.... I'll have to use that

[Q]

13. It might have been longer than seven minutes...

...and remember that he already KNEW that the first tower had been struck before he entered the classroom.

- Police, fire fighters, rescue workers, emergency medical crews and dispatch...all were there or on the job in a moments notice.

- Seven minutes is a VERY LONG TIME in an emergency.

[seabeyond]

14. enough with the 7 it was more like 26 minutes

cause moore says 7 that is where we are. the outrage is it was more than sittin while they read, he also shook hands chatted and took pictures with after. more than 7. more like 26 minutes

[Stephanie]

23. Can we get the actual stat on this?

The Booker video is still available online. We need an accurate timing of this. I'm on dial up - can someone with hi speed watch it and time it?

Here is a copy:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/schoolvideo.html

[seabeyond]

26. i really like this one. but i have a written one looking for

http://www.takebackthemedia.com/true911.html

[seemslikeadream]

27. This number has got to be pushed!

Not just 7 minutes, could be 1/2 hour!

[Stephanie]

29. It's going to take me an hour to download this

Maybe someone else can download and time it. I'm sure we have this info somewhere. I remember when the video was discovered on the Booker School site and everybody began downloading it and mirroring it. I recall it was more like 20 minutes.

[seemslikeadream]

31. From TBTM video

it seems it could be 44 minutes!

[seabeyond]

34. this is the article i really like

that has a lot of info. like why he had air to ground missille mounted on hotel if no thought of planes flying into building. here is excerpt,

The reason given why Bush didn't leave as soon as Card told him the news is: "Without all the facts at hand, George Bush had no intention of upsetting the schoolchildren who had come to read for him." Advisor Karl Rove said, "The President thought for a second or two about getting up and walking out of the room. But the drill was coming to a close and he didn't want to alarm the children." This excuse is patently absurd, given the security risks and importance of Bush being informed and making decisions as Commander in Chief. Nor was the drill coming to a close: one drill had ended and another was about to begin - it was a perfect time to simply say, "Excuse me" and leave the room. Sarasota-Bradenton International Airport is only 3½ miles away; in fact, Booker was chosen as the location for the photo-op partly because of its proximity to the airport. Hijackers could have crashed a plane into Bush's publicized location and his security would have been completely helpless to stop it. Remember, Bush's schedule had been announced on September 7 and two of the 9/11 hijackers came to Sarasota that same day. Furthermore, the Secret Service was aware of the strange request for an interview a few hours earlier and the previous night's report of a person in town who had made violent threats against Bush.

Indeed, a few days after 9/11, Sarasota's main newspaper reported, "Sarasota barely skirted its own disaster. As it turns out, terrorists targeted the president and Air Force One on Tuesday, maybe even while they were on the ground in Sarasota and certainly not long after. The Secret Service learned of the threat just minutes after Bush left Booker Elementary."


Bush in a holding room before giving his speech. Communications director Dan Bartlett points to the TV, and the clock reads 9:25.

Bush Lingers On

Once he was out of the classroom, did Bush immediately leave Booker? No. He stayed in the adjacent room with his staff, calling Vice President Cheney and National Security Advisor Rice, and preparing a speech. Incredibly, even as uncertain information began to surface, suggesting that more planes had been hijacked (eventually 11 planes would be suspected) , Bush was allowed to make his remarks at 9:30 - exactly the time and place stated on his advance schedule. Why hasn't Bush's security staff been criticized for their completely inexplicable decision to stay at the school? And why didn't Bush's concern for the children extend to not making them and the rest of the 200 or so people at the school terrorist targets?


President Bush speaks at 9:29 in the library of Booker Elementary School.

At 9:16, NORAD was notified that Flight 93 had been hijacked, and at 9:24 it was notified that Flight 77 had also been hijacked and was heading toward Washington (though, as discussed above, the hijacking was known long before this). No media report has suggested that the possible shooting down of hijacked airplanes was discussed at this time, however. It appears the discussion was not broached until after 9:55. At about 9:26, it was either FAA head Jane Garvey or FAA administrator Ben Sliney (and not Bush) who decided to halt all airplane takeoffs in the US. Additionally, no evidence has appeared suggesting Bush had a role in ordering any fighters into the skies.

Finally, to the Airport

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/essayaninterestingday.html

[seabeyond]

36. comes up easy for me, give me some minutes to watch

will see how good i am at passing info on, lol and a wink

[Bozvotros]

16. The firefighters didn't sit for seven minutes

After the SECOND tower was hit. That's because they were busy reacting to the news that the first tower had been hit.

And they didn't bullshit around and play grabass for another 15 more either. We need to keep reminding folks that Bush stretched out his inactivity and incompetence for almost twenty minutes, chatting to reporters and the principal, before being yanked into a briefing room to be given directions.

[radwriter0555]

17. Because he's clearly not the leader of of anything but the toilet paper

brigade.

[radwriter0555]

18. "WAR IN ERROR," NOT the war on terror, so it seems?

eh?

[toledoteamster]

19. Kerry hung himself with Larry King

Kerry has a lot of possibilities but they have been talking about an interview last month with Larry King stating "they sat and realized they couldn't think" after the planes hit the trade center.

I'm getting worried if he makes any more mistakes like that being this close to the election :(

[sandnsea]

20. No authority

They had no authority to do anything. They realized they couldn't think about the task at hand, which is very different from not being able to make decisions when you've got the authority to make them.

"And as I came in, Barbara Boxer and Harry Reid were standing there, and we watched the second plane come in to the building. And we shortly thereafter sat down at the table and then we just realized nobody could think, and then boom, right behind us, we saw the cloud of explosion at the Pentagon. And then word came from the White House, they were evacuating, and we were to evacuate, and so we immediately began the evacuation."


http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0407/10/lkl.00.html

[Stephanie]

22. Are you really worried?

Well don't fret yourself too much. Kerry hasn't "hung himself" no matter what you say.

[Stephanie]

21. Nor did the cops, the EMT's, the steelworkers

The steelworkers left their job sites and marched downtown with their tools in hand, hoping to save people.

[nostamj]

24. if BushCo had reacted to the FIRST strike

and alerted NY officials to IMMEDIATELY evacuate the South Tower, hundreds of lives would have been saved.

BushCo HAD to suspect that multiple hijackings AND a strike on the WTC was straight out of the AQ playbook.

to continue with the photo-op and allow people to 'go back to their desks' was criminal.

[seemslikeadream]

25. How long did he actually wait?

How many minutes? This is the number to be pushed. This is the number people should be reminded of, not 7 minutes.

[nostamj]

28. closer to 20 minutes

I saw an unedited tape last year but don't know where you could find a copy of that.

the MAJOR point is that he should NEVER have even gone into the school after learning of the first strike.

THAT should be pushed.

[Stephanie]

30. The video is here:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/schoolvideo.html

But I'm on dial-up here - someone else needs to download and time it.

[seemslikeadream]

32. 8:48 TBTM says bush told reporter on phone

he was aware of the situation and would have more to say about it later.

[Stephanie]

33. More links to the Booker video:

http://www.buzzflash.com/analysis/2002/06/12_BookerLinks.html

http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/bvl.htm

Here is Paul Thompson's narrative of the Booker school events:

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/essayaninterestingday.html

[seemslikeadream]

35. from paul

At approximately 8:48 a.m. on the morning of September 11, 2001, the first pictures of the burning World Trade Center were broadcast on live television. The news anchors, reporters, and viewers had little idea what had happened in lower Manhattan, but there were some people who did know. By that time, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD), the National Military Command Center, the Pentagon, the White House, the Secret Service, and Canada's Strategic Command all knew that three commercial airplanes had been hijacked. They knew that one plane had been flown deliberately into the World Trade Center's North Tower; a second plane was wildly off course and also heading toward Manhattan; and a third plane had abruptly turned around over Ohio and was flying back toward Washington, DC.

[sandnsea]

38. Moore put out the 7 minutes, stick with it

Changing the issue now is too confusing to people and sounds more like grasping at straws than a sound belief.

[seabeyond]

41. i dont f*in follow moore

that is another of my issue. i have been checking this shit out for a long time, i dont need a moore to decide the path i walk,. eeeeewwww that you even said that, further

i will not feed the american society in little two second soundbites cause i think they have so little of attention span. i expect demand that we as a society expect more out of ourselves than that. we have a greater responsibility than that, and i am not oging to feed into the keep it short to not confuse. bullsh*t, lol and a wink

just my feel

[sandnsea]

37. I disagree with that

The first hit could have been a small plane, a pilot committing suicide, literal suicide. It really could have and that is a local security issue, not a Presidential one. We would have been fortunate to have a President who would have immediately connected those dots, I'm not sure anybody in particular would have. Not even John Kerry.

[Stephanie]

39. Everyone in authority knew it was not a small plane

It was known that four airliners were hijacked.

Everyone in lower Manhattan knew it was not a small plane.

[nostamj]

40. sorry... MULTIPLE hijackings

and from the SIZE of the destruction it was NO 'small plane' accident.

there were HUNDREDS of witnesses who saw a commercial jet. I was in NYC that morning and it was VERY quickly determined that it was not a small plane.

[sandnsea]

43. Timeline

Who knew what when. That's my question. Who in the Administration knew it wasn't a small plane and what time? Because my understanding is that the second plane hit before all the information got to DC. I'm not trying to be an apologist, just trying to stick to the facts.

In any event, MM put out the 7 minutes and I still think it's most pragmatic to just stick to it.

[seabeyond]

42. at this point they knew that at least four planes hijacked

for those in the know, dont you think that would shift that perception. we all may have had thought could have been small plane...........mistake, error. but they, those with info, they could not be thinking that. they knew other planes were missing

they also had a call for that first plane before it went into tower to know it had been hijacked, further, they were tracking this plane, they knew what plane went into tower

you are giving bush the brainset, we the people without info were in. that is not where he, or his people or the airports where in thought