From my Grandma: "Muslims have declared holy war against the infidels"

[laura888]

OK - my grandma (wife of a retired Lutheran minister) in Lubbock forwarded me the following email and I didn't know how to reply.

The basics of the message in the email are this: That most clerics and Imams of Islam have ordered followers of Allah to kill everyone who is not of their faith so they can go to Heaven."


Here's the entire email:


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"For those who do not know Joe Harvey, he is the retired City
Manager of the City of Hobbs and is also an ex- New Mexico State Senator. He is presently serving on the New Mexico Parole Board.

From: Joe Harvey

To: Jim & Bernice Murphy
Date: 8/2/04 7:24:32 PM
Subject: great reading...
Last month I attended my annual training session that's required for maintaining my state prison security clearance. During the training session there was a presentation by three speakers representing the Roman Catholic, Protestant, and Muslim faiths, who explained each of their belief systems.

I was particularly interested in what the Islamic Imam had to say.

The Imam gave a great presentation of the basics of Islam, complete with a video.

After the presentations, time was provided for questions and answers.
When it was my turn, I directed my question to the Imam and asked:

"Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that most Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad against the infidels of the world. And, that by killing an infidel, which is a command to all Muslims, they are assured of a place inheaven. If that's the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel?"

There was no disagreement with my statements and, without hesitation, he replied, "Non- believers!"

I responded, "So, let me make sure I have this straight. All followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith so they can go to Heaven. Is that correct?"

The expression on his face changed from one of authority and command to that of a little boy who had just gotten caught with his hand in the cookie jar. He sheepishly replied, "Yes."

I then stated, "Well, sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine Pope John Paul commanding all Catholics to kill those of your faith or Dr. Stanley ordering Protestants to do the same in order to go to Heaven!"

The Imam was speechless.

I continued, "I also have a problem with being your friend when you and your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill me. Let me ask you one more question. Would you rather have your Allah who tells you to kill me in order to go to Heaven, or my Jesus who tells me to love you because I am going to Heaven and He wants you to be there, too?"

You could have heard a pin drop.

Needless to say, the organizers and/or promoters of the 'Diversification' training seminar were not happy with my way of dealing with the Islamic Imam and exposing the truth about the Muslim's beliefs.

I think everyone in the U.S. should be required to read this, but with the liberal justice system, liberal media, and the ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized. Please share this with others.."

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[Longhorn]

1. Check this out on snopes.com

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/allah.asp

I make LIBERAL use of the DELETE button when my kin in Lubbock (and other parts) send me crap.

[NMDemDist2]

3. i always "reply to all" with the debunk info

this has truly cut down my BS RW emails :D

[laura888]

6. bingo! thanks so much!

I love DU!

[NMDemDist2]

2. snopes called this one "undetermined"

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/allah.asp

The man who gave the presentation about Islam was not a Muslim minister; he was an inmate pressed into service to present a short film on Islam and answer some questions when the prison's Volunteer Coordinator was "unable to find an Imam to speak."

Moreover, reported Mr. Kniest, the prison's Volunteer Coordinator said that "The inmate did a good job," adding, "He was asked a few questions that were beyond his ability to answer. But he was not asked anything like that question ":
. . . the Volunteer Coordinator at the prison said that no such exchange as the editorial reported ever took place. "He certainly did not 'Hang his head in shame'," according to Kniest. In fact, the inmate was thanked by the assembly before being escorted back to his quarters. Furthermore, the coordinator does not recall any questions dealing with jihad against the infidels of the world as reported in the editorial.

In the editorial the inmate is presented as an Imam, or Islamic minister, which he clearly was not.

[liberalmuse]

4. Having once been a fundie...

I know that many believe the Muslims will torture and behead or 'martyr' Christians in an attempt to get them to denounce their faith in the end times. Of course many of these 'Christians' are themselves condoning atrocities against Muslims, and I've read stories where some Muslims were forced to denounce Allah and accept Jesus. Another case of 'You become the evil you try to destroy.'

[BiggJawn]

5. What a co-incidence...

Read the email reproduced in this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2170689

Dumbya tells us Al-Kaseltzah is gonna kill us in our beds, and these 2 screeds telling us that all Muslims want to kill us as well.

Is this just plain old Murkan "We hate people different from us" bigotry, or is it something deeper?

Since the Soviet Union went out of business, has Islam replaced the USSR as the big bear in the book of Revelations? Somebody wants a "holy war", but who? PNAC? Some Telly-vangelist?

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

7. Tell Grandma

that THIS Muslim is not on any Holy War against infidels...and that she believes ALL paths lead to God. Might surprise her a lot to know that many Muslims believe in ecumenism....if you wish, send her these urls:

http://www.asmasociety.org/religion/whatis.html

http://www.globaloneness.com

[ClintonTyree]

8. This is what we're up against...................

Lie after lie after lie, passed off as the "truth" by republiCONS. Of course they'd rather believe these lies than search for the truth.

How can people be so intellectually lazy and willing to be led around by the nose? It baffles me, it truly does. How anyone can so blissfully accept everything they're told without question amazes me.

[msmcghee]

9. That is a good question.

I'm still working on the answer but this is as close as I can get to an answer at this time. If you're interested,

http://www.geocities.com/margimcghee/brains.htm