Is anybody just simmering pissed ?

[kentuck]

I mean, here are these ogres that think they are too good to serve their country or have "something better" to do with their lives, like most of the Republican Party during the Viet Nam war, yet they have the gall to criticize someone that went to fight and was injured in the service of this country. Doesn't this piss you off?

And the fact that the media carries their water on these hypocritical charges. And he threw his medals away when he got back. Well, at least he had some medals to throw away! ANd they question whether or not his injuries were "serious" enough to get the Purple Heart?

It doesn't state in any battlefield regs, as far as I know, that your wound has to be from a bullet or shrapnel. If you're injured in combat, even a hangnail, and someone puts you in for a Purple Heart and your commander approves it, then you qualify. But just the idea of these people, who support a chickenshit that used his Daddy's connections to get into the Texas Air National Guard, just so he could escape going to Viet Nam, even questioning the credentials of someone that actually went to fight for his country just pisses me off. But let's not bring that little bit of information into the discussion...It might enlighten people...

[jeff30997]

1. Oh i,m pissed alright ! Really pissed !!!

[salinen]

2. I'm passed pissed

The word has yet to be invented.

[Iris]

3. Yep. And that's just the tip of the iceburg of my pissiness!

Everything they do pisses me off.

And it's strating to affect my participation on other forums and in daily discussions!

[senseandsensibility]

4. Yes,

and you know, the thing is, I believe that all Americans would share our pissedness if they knew the facts as we know them. But they will never learn the facts from the mediawhores. So when is Kerry going to rebut this bullshit with words as direct as yours?

[liberalmuse]

5. Dangerously pissed...

The Bush White House is beyond contempt. They should be permanently exiled from the U.S.

[Cleita]

6. I'm all for that.

Somebody somewhere should put these clowns on trial for their crimes. If we can't clean our own house, someone is going to do it for us and we may not like the results.

[movonne]

8. That is good "Dangerously pissed...I hope I don't give myself a

heart attact.

[kentuck]

7. It's good to know I'm not alone...

It's like a thief walking into a store and criticizing the owner for lying about how much money he has in his cash drawer. He said he had five $20's and he only had four $20's and two $10's. What pisses me off the most is that they are not called on it. There's a cold wind blowing thru Colorado today which usually portends bad weather, windstorms and tornados further to the East, but it's probably the huge sucking sound of the Republicans causing it.

[Bettie]

9. I'm so beyond pissed...

I cannot believe that anyone buys any of the crap that these people are trying to sell.

If they want to run an election on war records, well, to use W's own words, "bring it on", because Kerry was willing to endanger his life for his country and then he was willing to risk his reputation and possible political future for the sake of the men who were still over there, fighting an unjust war.

Of course, the big difference is that they are willing to lie and fabricate whatever pleases them or makes them look good, while our side tends to at least make an effort to stick to the truth.

Last night, I was driving home and listened to some guy on talk radio (not even sure which of the RW guys it was) who played the "swift boat vets" commercial audio several times to "educate" his listeners, but not to "take a position on it". Yeah, and I have a bridge to sell ya....

[Randypiper]

10. Bill Maher said

"I don't care if Kerry used his Purple Hearts as roach clips, he went to Viet Nam" That got a big hand

[kentuck]

12. I like that !

But these guys can criticize Kerry's Viet Nam service and never bring Bush into the equation???? How do they do that? Yes, they support Bush! They support the chickenshit over the guy that went to fight for our country.

[Windy]

14. I agree with Bill...and I need DU'ers help

There is an open forum website called: its happening. They have a section called rant and rave. There are bothdems and repubs on the site. We, the dems, are trying to break through their thick skulls with the hope of getting some to change their vote, believe it or not, we've had some success by pointing out bush's numerous failures, the lies of the SBVFT and backing it up with hard evidence. We need the help of more dems though. come on over at http://www.itshappening.com to the rant and rave forum and help out!

[Iris]

18. I'll pass this link around, but I'm afraid participating

may cause me to have a massive stroke!

[KharmaTrain]

11. There Were Two National Guards Then, Too...

Some National Guard units actually were in some tricky situations during those days, such as the ones in Ohio (Kent State) and in many Northern states. They were called in to quell the riots throughout that time. This wasn't easy duty...as the question if the order came to shoot at a citizen, would they do it (4 did).

This isn't the guard Bunnypants served in. As abtly mentioned, he was put in a unit training on already passe planes far and away from both the war in Nam and the strife in the cities to the north.

Now it'd be interesting if someone could put together a real comprehensive timeline of Kerry's activities at the time with Bunnypants, Crashcart and other chickenhawks. Make sure to note where deferments kicked in, DUI, Coke busts and all.

What's so absurd is that Kerry, with some kind of clairvoyance, could predict in 1969 that he was going to be the Democratic Presidential nominee in 2004 and purposely shot himself in the leg, or bribed others to write commendations.

[giant_robot]

17. Ask...

...and ye shall recieve. This is a link to a pretty cool timeline comparing the lives of Dubya and Kerry.

http://www.independent-media.tv/itemprint.cfm?fmedia_id=7073&fcategory_desc=Under%20Reported

[City Lights]

30. That's a great timeline.

Thanks for sharing.

[Chelsea Patriot]

37. Thanks for the Time line! I learned alot!

John Kerry saves the life of a Republican Senator who was choking.

John Kerry amazes me.

How dare they slur this man!!

Really, Are Republicans human?

[acmavm]

13. What pisses me off just as much, maybe even more, is that there are

so many bush* supporters cut from the same cloth.

I wrote about Nate last night in another thread. I guess I'll have to do it again just to explain why my anger is almost out of control. Nate is this guy (another temp like myself) who is working where I am right not. He is trying to earn money for when he goes back to school for the fall term (college). I asked Nate what his major is and what classes he's been taking last Thursday. He said that he is a history major and that among the classes he took last school year was a class in Constitutional Law. So stupid me, thinking that no one who was studying history and had a class in Constitutional Law could be a right wing hypocrite, I asked who he was going to vote for in the coming election. He told me he was 'leaning' toward bush*. NOW IF FRIGGING ASK YOU, DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE? Either this guy has bad grades, the info is not getting through, or sticking, or he's just a moran.

Anyway, that sort of pissed me off and floored me at the same time, but I didn't say anything. I just thought "well the take your ass down to the closest recruiters office and back up your mouth with some action", but I didn't. I just asked him if he was serious, to which he answered yes. So all I said was "you'd really better think that over son, because this guy is getting your generation into a hellhole of debt that you'll never crawl out of". He just sort of laughed and walked away.

Apparently Nate is one of the type that figures that there's plenty of poor kids to go and fight for the guy who's policies that he supports, that he's doing his duty working as a temp and going to school. He's a nice guy, but just politically irresponsible. He's just EXACTLY like the neos who are sending other people's kids to Iraq, but he's playing it safe just sitting here supporting that bunch of cowards who didn't go when it was their turn to serve.

NOW THAT KIND OF CRAP IS REALLY PISSING ME OFF.

[ProfLefty]

15. As usual...

You have done a fine job of succintly yet thoroughly presenting the relevant facts surrounding the issue of the candidate's prior military service. I always enjoy your posts Kentuck...you are very articulate and you have framed this issue well. As I see it the central question is not where or how John Kerry was wounded any or all three times during his Vietnam service but rather, where were George W. Bush and Dick Cheney when the time came to answer their country's call to duty?

[BillZBubb]

26. I'll add one additional outrage.

Both Bush* and Cheney believed that VietNam was CRUCUAL to America's security--they supported Nixon and pro-war Repug candidates at the time. They didn't protest the war, they supported it.

Yet, if they are such heroic, brave patriots, how could they not have signed up to go fight in a war CRUCIAL to this country? There is simply no excuse. Clearly they are neither brave, nor herioc, nor patriotic. They're looking out for numero uno--like ALL REPUGS.

[kentuck]

16. And where is that one person that remembers serving with GW Bush???

Just one fucking person?? Is that asking too much from them? They can get people that were on other boats that remember John Kerry, but we can't find even one person that can remember serving with George W Bush in Alabama? But was the guy getting shot at as Kerry was pulling him out of the water?? Kiss my fucking ass!! :mad:

[Karenina]

23. THIS is the point that the word "pissed"

DOES NOT EVEN COME CLOSE TO COVERING. Nicht sauer, WÜTEND. In ONE phone call I can reach someone "in the public eye" who can verify my whereabouts in my post college years (which happen to coincide with *dimwit's) and would be willing to say so publicly. :mad: :wtf: :mad:

What REALLY bugs me is this issue of ACCOUNTABILITY.
The "personal responsibility" folks are ALL FOR IT until it touches them and theirs. Something is SERIOUSLY FUCKED UP in Amurika...

[bandy]

19. Look guys:

we all know the score. Even my hubby (a repug) is not buying this BS (as a AF vet he was pissed too). He will not be voting for * either (won't change parties cause this is not the repug party doing this, it's the * neocons). People are seeing thru this and most are not liking it. Keep fighting but lets focus on the truths! This too will die and something else will come along.

[spanone]

20. I'm Fucking Outraged That This Is Going On In MY America!!

This Is A Fucking CRIMINAL ADMINISTRATION. By not denouncing the vet ad, THEY ENDORSE IT.

[Blue Gardener]

21. Every Veteran in this country should be pissed!

If they can question the validity of Kerry's medals, they can question everyone else's. Why can't they see that? As far as I'm concerned, everyone who got a medal earned it if just for the fact they were in that hellhole.

[Donkeyboy75]

22. It pisses me off beyond belief, but I'm also happy

because * and friends are clearly grasping at straws.

After all, * checked the "do not volunteer for overseas duty," while Kerry actually WENT OVER THERE.

[Gregorian]

24. Clinton was a breather.

This didn't start with Bush. And I've been very angry for a long long time. Here's just one example- People think the drug war was something we needed. And that talking about it is just for people who want to get high. People need to know that the drug war had a lot to do with where we are today. The willingness for people to let their government bust down doors yelling and screaming with guns pointed. Property forfietures. Invasions of privacy. They knew right then that if they could get away with that, they could get away with ANYTHING. Just the proliferation of jails during that period was criminal. And noone said a word. You can't imagine how angry I was seeing that tv show COPS. I was mad that the american people didn't demand it off the air. Just as angry that Bush's approval rating isn't zero. Or that Bush wasn't hung on a scaffolding with his cronies. No, it's the same old story- the people let the government take control. Well, now we've got so much water under the bridge, such as a group of uneducated americans who could have been better learners had we not spent billions on jails, that I don't expect miraculous changes just because Kerry sits in the oval office.

I sometimes think about those who knew Jesus. And how they felt when he was killed. It's no different. Something of value that is carelessly destroyed.

[Skittles]

25. F*** YES I'M SIMMERING PISSED

F***ING CHICKENHAWK ASSHOLES.

[kentuck]

27. Are any of these Swift Boat vets pro-Bush or just anti-Kerry ?

Because it is the biggest distinction of all. If they support George W Bush, the person who jumped to the front of the line in the TANG and maybe sent someone else over to Nam to die in his place, then they are fucking traitors. If they support someone that refused to go to Viet Nam over a Viet Nam veteran, hero or not, and who could not even fulfil his obligation in the NG, then they are traitors. Does anyone know if these snakes support George W Bush?? Because that should tell people all they need to know.

[Doctor_J]

32. they're bush lackeys

they smeared McCain in 2000. They're hired hit men for the BFEE

[Arugula Latte]

28. I'm not simmering pissed.

I'm BOILING furious! :mad:

[Rebellious Republican]

29. *@%$_)?"+%$@* pissed I am, I am!!!

As far as the throwing of the medals incident, I can say two things from my own experience. I gave my medals to my 3 godsons, I had three and gave them one each.

I was a wanderer after I got out of the Navy and had not figured out what I was going to do with my life. I wanted them to have something that would remind each one that the choices they make in life could forever steer their destiny. Also, I would always be there for them no matter where the road took me in my journey or they in theirs.It was the other thing that I had that was special to them.

For you see, the medals, 1 Good Conduct, 1 National Defense and 1 Naval Expeditionary Forces medal, did not really mean anything to me at the time.

They all were lost, never to be seen again, the boys are now men. They all seem to be headed down good paths. So even though they lost the medals over time, I like to think that maybe those medals served a better purpose, than had I held on to them.

The second thing I can say is that I earned those medals. It was my choice to do whatever I so desired with them, and no one can take that away from me. Yeah those medals were lost, and now that I am growing older, I have come to appreciate what they stood for, and have regrets for there lose. However I am entitled to a second set. I just have to fill out a form and send it in with my DD214's.

The point I am trying to make is that I understand what may have been going through Kerry's mind at the time. He was young, and probably did not truly appreciate the medals, just like me when I was young.

I believe that many here at DU, who have more than a couple of years of life experiences under your belt, can remember when you were young. Full of passion for all things in life, sometimes that passion swept us over and we did things that we may regret today. So he threw his medals away in moment of passion, you know what! I would like to think that those medals served a better purpose, than had he held on to them.

My friends, thats the kind of conviction and passion I want running this country. John Kerry is no less patriotic than I am, so are the medal police going to ever come after me!





















All Ive got to say to chicken hawks squawking that never earned any.....

[footinmouth]

38. I salute you

Rebellious Republican: First, may I thank you for your service to our country during such troubled times. I grew up in that era and saw many of my high school friends return wounded or not at all. I worked at a university, where I left my house in fear every morning because of the demonstrations and the riots. It was a scary time.

That war was so polarizing, so awful that I'm willing to give anyone a pass for however they chose to handle it. Cripes, most of them were babies, 18-24 years old. Clinton didn't go, Gore served as a journalist, Bush did his guard thing (maybe) and Kerry stuck his neck right in there.

I don't think Kerry intended to run on his medals. He was forced into it by the other side. What's a guy to do when the other party bills themselves as military experts and we are branded as unpatriotic, anti-war, anti-military, etc. I doubt that Kerry harbors any ill-will against those that chose another road. I doubt that you do either. I'm tired of being told that the Republicans are the party of goodness, purity, Jesus and the military. I wish I had enough guts to call a talk show and say that one of these days, but I don't so I'll just ramble on here. Am I even on topic anymore?

[jdj]

31. I don't want to get mad, I want to get even. In November.

The great thing about this admin is that the wolves are finally out of their sheeps clothing.

The bad thing is 15,000 dead Iraqis and 950+ dead american soldiers.

lest we forget the downside of their exposure:

Baghdad Burning


... I'll meet you 'round the bend my friend, where hearts can heal and souls can mend...

Saturday, August 07, 2004

Clashes and Churches...
300+ dead in a matter of days in Najaf and Al Sadir City. Of course, they are all being called ‘insurgents’. The woman on tv wrapped in the abaya, lying sprawled in the middle of the street must have been one of them too. Several explosions rocked Baghdad today- some government employees were told not to go to work tomorrow.

So is this a part of the reconstruction effort promised to the Shi’a in the south of the country? Najaf is considered the holiest city in Iraq. It is visited by Shi’a from all over the world, and yet, during the last two days, it has seen a rain of bombs and shells from none other than the ‘saviors’ of the oppressed Shi’a- the Americans. So is this the ‘Sunni Triangle’ too? It’s déjà vu- corpses in the streets, people mourning their dead and dying and buildings up in flames. The images flash by on the television screen and it’s Falluja all over again. Twenty years from now who will be blamed for the mass graves being dug today?

We’re waiting again for some sort of condemnation. I, personally, never had faith in the American selected proxy government currently pretending to be in power- but for some reason, I keep thinking that any day now- any moment- one of the Puppets, Allawi for example, will make an appearance on television and condemn all the killing. One of them will get in front of a camera and announce his resignation or at the very least, his utter disgust, at the bombing, the burning and the killing of hundreds of Iraqis and call for an end to it… it’s a foolish hope, I know.

So where is the interim constitution when you need it? The sanctity of private residences is still being violated... people are still being unlawfully arrested... cities are being bombed. Then again, there really is nothing in the constitution that says the American millitary *can't* actually bomb and burn.

http://www.riverbendblog.blogspot.com

[jukes]

33. passed pist

the dictator will do @ least 4 more years.


might need to think of alternatives.

[Seabiscuit]

35. I'm so pissed and have been pissing so long about it

I could turn Lake Tahoe yellow!

[Aftershock]

34. I am just as pissed as you are.

The republicans should hold their heads in shame for attacking Kerry on his Vietnam service when Bush had something like eight months unaccounted for during that same time.

Kerry went to Vietnam and risked his life to save a man in heavy gunfire. Bush spent his time getting drunk down in Texas.

I think we all know who the real hero is.

[Bjornsdotter]

36. I have PMS and I'm pissed..

...right now I am a LETHAL WEAPON...I could take out anyone.

I had a big guy on a motorcycle pull up beside me today, pointed to my Kerry stickers, and proceeded to tell me why the "Duke of Dunder" was the better choice....I told him to "Fuck off"....and I felt better.
When I blew past him in my 10 year old Volvo station wagon I flipped him off....it was a good day.

Cheers,
Kim :toast:

[Seabiscuit]

39. Speaking of "legal weapon", I'm so pissed

I could cause a yellow tidal wave that would wipe out Crawford while Georgie is bushwhacking

[Bjornsdotter]

42. Together we are a team! n/t

[Seabiscuit]

43. Yep!

Together we could turn the Rio Grande river yellow. :)

[union_maid]

40. Pissed...this is just the latest thing to fuel my obsession

I'm obsessed. My husband is obsessed. My 83 year old mother is not only obsessed, but she says that in all her life she's never seen anything like this administration. I'm telling you, if Bush manages to steal this one it's going to take more than a terrorist attack to placate the masses of people who think our country has been taken over by an evil cabal. It won't be pretty and there'll be no giving him a chance. He's more than had that.

[southernleftylady]

41. the ones who are screaming SUPPORT OUR TROOPS.. are the first

to critize a soilder... drives me crazy!

[Sirveri]

44. reminds me of my experience at the recruiters.

They keep talking about this guy named Captain. His e-mail sigs all bash SF for being gay and liberal and he wishes he could nuke the place. So of course a hard core right wing neocon moron like this should want to get into the military right, even if it is just the Navy.

NO OF COURSE NOT. Instead he goes down to Tijuana and probably consrts with prosistutes and gets wasted. Then his neocon ass says, naw, I ain't gonna join up. C'mon, we're your support for the war in Iraq? Don't you want to serve your country? I mean it's the Navy for christ' sakes, you are not gonna get hurt.

No, he doesn't sign up. Cause he's a dirty chickenhawk selfish self serving ego centric little bitch. And I hate him for it.

[praxiz]

46. Usually when people are sad

"Usually when people are sad, they don't do anything. They just cry over their condition. But when they get angry, they bring about a change."

Malcolm X (1925 - 1965)

[sandnsea]

45. Physically ill and numb

Numb from it all. How much lower can this country go? Who are these people we live with? They walk around, we see them every day. It's really like the Night of the Living Dead. I'm just too disillusioned to even get angry.

[chicagojoe]

47. I am pissed to the extent that

there are scores of Radical Right types who are very, very lucky that I remain a law abiding citizen, regardless of how much they piss me off.