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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 07:53 PM
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Bev Harris simply rocks
Anyone who disagrees can kiss my shiny metal butt. :)

Seriously, Bev, way to be. That was some of the best television I've seen in years. I watched cable news for more than a half-hour, and felt I was learning something pretty much the whole time.

:toast:

Oh, and Howard rules, too.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 07:54 PM
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1. Congrats to Bev, most important info that I hope gets more attention!
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WLKjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 07:54 PM
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2. what was being discussed?
TV not on due to brothers playing FF11 constantly
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 07:57 PM
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4. In the last 56 minutes, they covered:
* The stupidity of the media with Jon Stweart;

* White privilege with Tavis Smiley

* Electronic voting dangers with Bev Harris

* The fallacy of the recent terror alerts with Margaret Cho.

Smart moderated tones, data and debate, insight and information.
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WLKjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 07:59 PM
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7. wish I could have watched it over the net
Sounds like it was really good. Thanks Will :)!
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 08:01 PM
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11. It's on again at 11pm EST
if you can get CNBC.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 08:34 PM
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17. Thanks Will - I'll check it out at 11 :-)
:-)
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 11:11 PM
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26. Then again at 3am et
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 08:00 PM
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10. Bev showed us..
Bev clearly showed us that anyone could go into the tabulation computer software database files (that contain the master tabulations for the various races) and simply edit the totals. When the sofware accesses the altered database files the totals are tabulated to reflect the edits as the real thing.

:argh:

Great work Bev, :thumbsup:
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 07:57 PM
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3. with you 100% Will
had dinner with Bev and Andy just after they filmed this. they are personal friends and the smearing sickens me. they are either world-class actors or world-class activists

and I will go with the latter. (I KNOW actors!)
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 08:00 PM
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9. I KNOW actors! LOL!
I'm with you there! :evilgrin: :thumbsup:
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 08:22 PM
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15. Smearing
:eyes:
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neverborn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 03:54 AM
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31. Yes. Smearing./
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 10:23 PM
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24. "world-class activist"
Edited on Sun Aug-08-04 10:24 PM by God_bush_n_cheney
I am just doing something that needs to be done.

Thanks BTW :loveya:
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 07:57 PM
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5.  BTW: They must have cut the most disturbing part of Bev's demo...
After her edit, the detailed report (and the data entry screens) would have shown that nothing was changed. That is, the election would have passed a spot check and yet the Election Summary Report(what is used to call the election) would have changed. This is the "two sets of books" issue.



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dogman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 07:58 PM
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6. I commented to my wife that she seems so unlikely
to be the great American hero that she is. This show has been great.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 07:59 PM
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8. Thanks Bev!
The demonstration with Dr. Dean which only took 90 seconds scares the hell out of me. I'm a computer dolt and what Bev proved was that this is so simple to do and quick, even I could do it. I was under the impression that this was something much more complicated. It's not!!

This is scary stuff. I am optomistic about the Kerry/Edwards ticket but, now I'm not sure we'll ever see them sworn in. :cry:


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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 08:10 PM
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12. Hear hear.
nt
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 08:14 PM
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13. Fabulation! great work, congratulations, Bev and all. n/t
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 08:18 PM
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14. Hear Hear!!
She's a real hero!
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 08:22 PM
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16. okay- any exposure of Bev's story, is fantastic exposure.
Edited on Sun Aug-08-04 08:24 PM by stellanoir
However, I'm a bit perplexed. Having obsessively and relentlessly written e-mails to every pundit, plutocrat, and politician I could think of, about the nefarious nature of BBV's for the last 16 months, I foolishly thought we had managed to reduce the percentage by which Americans would be using these stupid machines.

Yet, after hearing of victories in California and Ohio, I'm still reading disheartening reports, that 30% of the electorate are fated to use these lame assed systems this fall. I know that HR 2239 & SR 1980 didn't pass and that Maryland, Georgia, and Florida are pretty much toast. But haven't we even made a smidgen of progress to knock that percentage down. . .?

Could someone please enlighten me as to whether or not this is true. . . ?
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 08:37 PM
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19. Nevada has paper trail, Congress in agreement to go paper in 2006
But like the 2000 election, the GOP have dragged this out so that little will be fixed by Nov - and few places have additional money to order paper ballots.
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 11:06 PM
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25. we were headed for 50% but got it down to 30% --
Which is 30% too high.

We cut the number of touch screens almost in half (largely due to California jettisoning 15,000 machines and 31 counties in Ohio rescinding their orders.

Not all of Nevada has paper ballots -- it is my understanding that the deployment isn't 100%. We have had a difficult time getting an answer on that.

Bev
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 11:12 PM
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27. You kicked ass.
:grouphug: Get some rest, girl!
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Upfront Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 08:36 PM
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18. Agree
I e-mailed C-NBC to ask them to give Howard Dean a full time show. His show was informitive. Bev did a great job.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 09:06 PM
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20. That was educational TV at its best !
way to go Bev! :)
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 09:14 PM
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21. Exceptionally good and scary as hell
Bev Harris you're a true patriot. You should be doing that little demo on all the network news shows.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 09:15 PM
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22. ya got a metal butt ?
Edited on Sun Aug-08-04 09:17 PM by proud patriot
:think: Bev was great ...I was pretty impressed
with the whole show .
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 09:28 PM
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23. He has after all been doing the buns o steel workout...
that's why he gets flagged in the airport constantly.

BTW We met with verified voting today and it went great!\
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 11:19 PM
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28. That was satisfying to watch
Almost like we're accomplishing something.
She's got a line of communication with the major people. Nice to see that someone's listening.

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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 02:53 AM
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29. Kick for Bev and Howard.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 02:55 AM
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30. KICK for Bev!
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ronabop Donating Member (361 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 04:25 AM
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32. Can someone explain to me...
... in small words, why she is the subject of much gnashing and thrashing here? Last I heard, she was in a bad deal with a publisher. Quite normal. She sued to make things public, quite rational. She criticized other suits, so what?

Does she sodomize virgin goats, or invade other nations without proof, on her off days, or what?

-Bop
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 07:22 AM
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34. Let's not bring that up....
This thread is supposed to be postive for Bev and gang because of a job well done and for her great appearance on Deans show tonight. To come in this thread and bring this up is to open old wounds. Hence my "smearing" question up above. No need to go there as far as I am concerened. But hey! Who the hell am I?

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Fud Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 01:00 PM
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36. I guess all those other smears don't count at all
There is NO OTHER SUIT and that's the problem. She has publicly
slandered every professional, reporter and activist on this issue by
accusing them, without offering any proof, of doing exactly what she
ultimately did - filing a Qui Tam lawsuit. The list is practically
endless:

Professor David Dill
Professor Doug Jones
Professor Avi Rubin
Dr. Rebecca Mercuri
Cindy Cohn of EFF.org
Bob Fertik of Democrats.com
Bart of Bartcop.com
Alastair of Scoop NZ
John Schwartz of the NYTimes
Greg Palast
Bev Conover of American Journal
David Allen of Plan9 Publishing
multiple DUers who were her researchers
multiple Bartcoppers who were her researchers
and on and on and on.....

Pointing out inconvienient facts apparantly doesn't fly here.One person can smear but if you provide a rebuttle thats not ok?
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 06:03 AM
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33. I respect the women even more after watching her last night.
IMO I thought Howard Dean did an excellent job also.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 07:47 AM
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35. What show was she on?
:shrug:
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