Voting in Churches? Okay? Not okay? Feh who cares? Your opinion

[politicat]

Here's the deal: My precinct HQ for this year is one of the local "walking the edge of the IRS" churches that consistently stops at their legal limit on political speech as a church. They never QUITE tell their parishioners to vote one way or the other, but you'd have to be deaf, blind, and stupid to not get the inferrences they're making. (I've attended this church occasionally as part of a watch-dog group that tries to keep churches honest in their political speech.) So far, they're still on the good side of the law... but it's narrow. A motivated lawyer could win a case against them.

They're reputation as a conservative, fetus loving, woman hating, spare the rod church is pretty well known in the region; the parking lot on a sunday looks like a Bush convention. (these are the only * bumperstickers I've seen in the area, as it happens.)

There are libraries, school gymnasiums, rec centers, community rooms at apartment complexes and in developments, police departments, and a host of other places where voting can take place. This is a new polling place in my town - up until this year, polling for my precinct has always been at the community building in my residential community. My community didn't ask not to be a polling station; there are no complaints or anything-- it just didn't happen.

Do you think this is okay that such a partisan group should be hosting the polls? What should I do about it?

Pcat

[Cleita]

1. Sometimes churches are the only places that have

handicap access, which is why they are used. I also once voted in a nursing home, I guess for the same reason.

[Cheswick2.0]

14. did you suddenly get old and feeble?

when you entered that old folks home, did you get senile?

[Cleita]

19. I don't know what you are getting at, but no I didn't.

This was back when absentee voting wasn't easy to do like today. I mean you really had to be out of town. Also, sometimes old people want to go to the polls, so getting a wheelchair up a ramp is a big help.

On edit: Our local Democrats club offers to drive people to the polls if they want to vote that way.

[Cheswick2.0]

25. I am refering to the people on this thread that feel

going into a church is going to influence their vote or make them republicans by osmosis.

[Cleita]

29. Okay, LOL

I was a bit slow on the uptake here. :-)

[madmax]

2. Churches are for praying and Bingo...

:evilgrin:

[Tight_rope]

47. I agree with you..."People should be able to vote at grocery stores"

[AmericanErrorist]

3. I'm slightly more

conserned about government endorsement of religion myself.

[politicat]

6. That's exactly what concerns me... If the local gov is saying go to

church to vote, aren't they also saying go with this church's opinions and do as this church tells you? (There's a reason I'm involved in watchdog politics....)

And actually, this building specifically is far less handicapped friendly than my community center. It has stairs and a "servants' entrance" ramp, while my CC is ramped all the way.

Pcat

[Catch22Dem]

36. No, not even a little bit

"aren't they also saying go with this church's opinions and do as this church tells you?"

Not even close. I go to a church to vote and you couldn't find a more anti-religion, non-believer than me. The church doesn't tell me what to do. They just have a convenient building for people in my area. That's all.

[asthmaticeog]

45. My polling place is in an elementary school

yet I don't feel any obligation to learn the alphabet before I vote.

[Ironpost]

4. I've been voting for 35 years

and it's always been in a church. I think there should be seperation of church and state as it says in the constitution. this has always seemed odd to me, but I have to vote.

[El Supremo]

11. My church exists to serve the community.

So what better way of fulfilling our mission than to be a polling place?

BTW, my local Democratic grassroots group is also meeting there this week to assemble some door hangers for the general election. The church is open to Republican groups too.

And to another poster, my precinct will be voting in a nursing home this year too. That's a first for me.

[Cronus Protagonist]

17. Churches do not exist to serve the community

Only a selected part of the community. That's why we have a speration of church and state here.

They don't serve atheists. They don't serve Buddhists. They don't serve.... the list goes on and on.


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[El Supremo]

23. I believe that Jesus would differ with you on that statement.

He served prostitutes, criminals and unbelievers.

[Cheswick2.0]

31. they sure do serve those people

If they allow the community to hold elections there. They do if they allow AA or OA or other 12 step programs to use their space. They do if they build houses for Habitat for Humanity. They serve the community if they have a day care for children.

[Ironpost]

52. I sure would like a bumper sticker, HERO KERRY AWOL BUSH

Maybe someone who makes bumper stickers would be kind enough to make me one send it c.o.d. p.o. box 224 chouteau, ok. 74337. The lying bast*rd must go.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

5. Even here

in north Texas, we don't have polling places at churches.

That's something to think about.

As for myself, it makes me uneasy. Also, I think some people might just abstain from voting simply BECAUSE they have to go into a church to do it. Yeah, they aren't super-motivated to vote to begin with, but that just seals the deal for 'em.

It needs to be more neutral, I think.

[Cheswick2.0]

10. What kind of paranoid kook wouldn't vote because they had to go into

a church? What the heck do they think is going to happen, a bolt of lightning from on high?

I am sorry but I don't get that at all. I vote in churches all the time and in fact I go to church and last time I checked....um, yup, still a liberal for-choice feminist in favor of Gay marriage.

[politicat]

18. People who have been molested by priests, people who were subjected

to exorcisms in their churches, people who have been traumatized by religious members in a religious context.

Thank your stars and god that you've been spared those horrors. Some people have not been.

Pcat

[Cheswick2.0]

30. oh please spare me

How about kids who were beatup in school or molested by a boyscout leader at the local community center? Where will they be comfortable voting?
Maybe we should all vote in a field.....oops no, what about all the folks once scared by a snake?

[Catch22Dem]

37. Can't......stop......laughing......must.......breathe......

I agree. I'm a full-on atheist to the core, and voting in a church doesn't bother me at all. I'd say the percent of the overall population who won't vote in a church because of molester priests and exorcists, won't be big enough to sway the election. :evilgrin:

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

41. Um some people who AREN'T kooks

AREN'T comfortable in churches and who am I to judge THAT?

[El Supremo]

7. No Problemo

My church is hosting three precincts this year. And its orientation is a bit Democratic. Our Pastor relishes giving Bush a dig once in a while.

But we have had a problem in recent years, the schools and some businesses don't like the extra security worries. Probably the insurance too. So if a church steps up for the voting, I say thank you!

[Cheswick2.0]

8. They aren't running the election or counting the votes.....who cares?

They are providing space, so who cares if people vote there?

[politicat]

12. But they have pictures up in the lobby -

of children with terrible birth defects and slogans like "Some people say Melody would be better off dead. Abortion is murder." and recently they've had advertisments for their women's retreat talking about "submitting gracefully to your husband."

I see that those can influence the way people vote or make them feel uncomfortable .

Pcat

[Spiffarino]

16. Have you complained to the local BOE?

They might have a problem with that kind of loaded political speech. Seriously, I would contact the Board of Elections and find out what the law says. You may have a great case for a change of venue.

[El Supremo]

20. Good point.

Sounds like the LDS. But still, do they have pictures of Bush or other politicians? I think 99.9 percent of voters have made up their minds before they cast their vote.

[Nobody]

42. I've been an election judge

And you most certainly can NOT have anything that appears to endorse a specific candidate or party anywhere in sight.

Voters who wear buttons with a candidate's name are requested to remove it.

If it looks partisan, it shouldn't be there.

[Cheswick2.0]

22. I doubt it will be anywhere where people can see it on election day

I have faith in the voters to know how they are going to vote regardless of what happens to be on the walls.

[Catch22Dem]

39. I don't go there to read their shit

I walk in, vote, walk out. I don't make up my mind AT THE POLLING PLACE!!! If it takes something like that to change my mind after I've already driven to the place and walked in, my fiber is a little weak.

[supernova]

9. Often in rural areas

the local church is the biggest building that can comfortably house such an event.

The church isn't just Church; it's also the community center. It would be very expensive for some poorer precincts to build separate civic buildings that might only get used once or twice a year.

edit: and I will add that not all churches that are also poling places subscribe to the fundamentalist vote republican rule. Most churches do their jobs in the civic arena quite well.

The churches I have voted in, I've gone to the fellowship hall. It's nothing more than a large open room. No religious decoration of any sort to be found. You might see tables and chairs and perhaps a clock, but that's about it.

[politicat]

15. That doesn't apply here. We have a community center, a senior center,

a youth rec center, a high school, two middle schools, and half a dozen elementary schools. Each of the dozen subdivisions built recently has a community room, the police station has a community room and a big public events room, and we're the county seat. We've got the fair grounds.

It's not a case of "this is the best place to accomodate." It's not. That's what's making me go hmmmm.....

Pcat

[supernova]

24. So what you are really asking for

in this thread is permission to change your polling place where you live. I don't see why not, esp if you have plenty of alternative spaces.

I would check with the BOE on 1) Why that particular place is used, 2) What is the procedure to change it, 3) go for it.

[politicat]

28. Actually, not permission, but suggestions on how to and if appropriate

to approach the BOE.

I'm going to lodge a protest anyway, because it's unacceptable the way they're handling this kind of thing, but I didn't know that getting it moved was even possible. (It's not for Tuesday's primary, but I'm still registered in another county anyway because that primary election is of bigger worry than this one. There's only one dem candidate here.)

Pcat

[Spiffarino]

13. My precinct uses a church.

As in the case of an earlier poster, it's the only place with handicapped access. The public library we used in the past has only stairs and no ramps. The law is the law.

I don't mind voting in churches if they're the only places that are available. Local law prohibits campaigning of any kind within the building to be used and within a 100' perimeter around it. No matter what the church's stance is, they'd have a hard time getting their points across to any but those already committed.

[B Calm]

21. Been voting in the same church for 28 years

Not many places to go vote in the backwoods of Indiana, but it has always bothered me that we vote in a church! I plan to vote absentee from now on anyway!

[Robbien]

26. I and my neighbors vote in a Chicagoan Korean church/school

What the heck. Why not.

[jukes]

27. i think it's intimidating

& subliminal.

i'd have to wear a garish cross upside down, + my UN flag pin.

[LiberalTechie1337]

32. When I was in HS, I worked at the polls in a church

I haven't had the pleasure of voting yet (only 19, and I couldnt vote last year), so this is my only experience with the election polls.

I personally don't have a problem with polls being located in churches. So long as the church does not have any blatant messages displayed, like "Abortion is Murder" and etc. The building is just a building.

[politicat]

34. This one does.

I've written a letter to the Board of Elections. It's printed, the envelope is printing now, and I'll mail it in the morning.

Thanks everyone!

Pcat

[jukes]

35. blatent msgs

aren't they problem, nor or you the target,

"swing" voters, suddeny confronted w/ holy icons, *can* be swayed.

another repub ploy.

[Swamp Rat]

33. NO

... unless Jesus and his entourage could promise a free and fair election.

[El Supremo]

44. You know, Jesus did not promise anything that pertains to this world.

He didn't even come to bring peace. He would have liked to, but he knew what was going to happen.

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." Matthew 10:34

[Swamp Rat]

51. Too bad

He sounds like a nice guy.

[napi21]

38. My polling place has been in a church in the last 2 places I lived.

Different states too. I don't think it matters. If it's convenient for you to get to, and they don't try to intimidate you on election day, why does it matter to you?

I've never been intimidated at all. All the people there were very professional, and all went just fine.

[mdmc]

40. A local Hasidim community held the election in the temple

the temple had banned all dissidents from entering. The rabbi got a surprise when the dissidents were not only allowed to vote, but that the sheriff and state troopers really didn't seem to care once bit about the power of the rabbi or the respect the community had for the rabbi.

One lady protester was pushed out of the way by a trooper, who then informed her husband that if he didn't control his bitch, they would both be arrested. The husband was trying to explain that it was inappropriate for a male to touch a Hasidim female. The trooper retorted that it was equally inappropriate to keep folks from voting.

They should have voted absentee, retorted the Hasidim Jew. You guys should have a separation between city hall and the temple. All registered voters can vote in person.

Wild shit.

[Still_Loves_John]

43. I think you're worrying too much

The church isn't running the election or anything, it's just in the building. The people manning the polls will not be affiliated with the church at all. You made a pretty valid point about the signs on the walls and stuff, but there are election laws about political signs near polls, so I'm sure that they'll be taken down by election day.

I seriously doubt that the fact that they're voting in a church will affect anyone's vote; I just don't see that happening. Whoever asked if you suddenly become old and feeble when you walk into a nursing home to vote hit the nail on the head.

You could, however, create a problem by getting the polling place moved. Polling places don't move every election, and most people who vote figure that they know where their polling place is. If it was moved, lots of people going to vote would go to the wrong place, and even if they got set straight, they would probably be frustrated enough to just go home.

[AngryAmish]

46. My old polling place was in a bar

Near North Side of Chicago, by Wells HS. Forget the name of the place. I heard in recent years they have tried to get them out of the bars.

[Retrograde]

48. voted in somebody's garage once

my polling place rotates among a church hall, a fire station and a large room in an apartment building.

Last election day in San Francisco I walked past a polling station in a Starbucks.

[Kazak]

49. I'm UU; I vote in a Baptist church.

I always felt that there was something wrong with that picture.

[Aftershock]

50. I don't like the idea that people can vote in churches.

We all know what issues the churches stand on with abortion, homosexuality, and anything else republican. I think that atmosphere will have people vote for someone that the church would like to see president instead of what Americans would like to see as President.

[Bridget Burke]

55. Isn't the voting usually in a church hall? Not the Sanctuary?

In my experience, church halls have about as much atmosphere as school cafeterias. And election officials are not connected to the church.

Besides, not all churches have identical policies. Even the Catholic church only agrees with Bush on a couple of points, despite the grandstanding bishops who've decided that withholding Communion for those who allow abortion to be legal is a good idea. Capital punishment, starting wars & social injustice are against Catholic teachings.

Voting in an Intermediate School does not make me want to rush out for some Clearasil & the latest copy of Seventeen.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

53. Nah. My local polling station is the local Chinese Church.

I have yet to turn into a Chinese Presbyterian.

[LuCifer]

54. I vote at a church...

...don't bother my native american red Satanic ass!

JUST SO LONG AS IT COUNTS!!!

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[noonwitch]

56. I vote at a school, but my mom's UCC church was a precinct in the past

I don't know if it still is, because they have more outreach programs that meet daily there than they used to. I do remember in the 70s that they church had to meet all these codes to be a precinct, and there was a project to build an elevator to make the building handicapped acessable.
If the church is the building in the area best equipped to handle the voting, then I have no problem with it. I think it disrupts the school schedule to do it there.