Condoleeza Rice:Hired because she is black, not because she good good at

[ParisFrance]

her job which we all know she isn't.

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[ParisFrance]

4. no

Texas...No

Texas=right wing conservatives=idiots

[blm]

6. And yet again, you don't sound Parisian.

This board is beyond condemning all of Texas, in fact, we are trying to win Texas, too, in November.

Especially when more people find out about Bush being a deserter who has been lying about his service and covering up for the last 4 years.

[ParisFrance]

8. We will recieve more votes in Texas , but we won't win.

[SunDrop23]

45. I'm thinking we will be short in NC too.

[Stephanie]

21. Paris Texas was an excellent film

Although too long. And really, not French at all.

[acmavm]

2. Whatever it was it was certainly not because of her integrity or intellect

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[ParisFrance]

5. When I listen to Rice speak, she tries to use big wording that will give

her credibility as intelligent. They have to sound natural or else you just look like an idiot.

[jdj]

28. She's a doctor, and an expert in her field.

She's what they wanted. To imply they hired her because she is black almost seemsto imply that no African American could possibly be qualified for this job. It was a bonus, to be sure, but come on.

Biography of National Security Advisor, Condoleeza Rice.
Dr. Condoleeza Rice was born on November 14, 1954 in Birmingham, Alabama. She entered the University of Denver at age 15 and graduated in 1974 with a bachelor's degree in political science. Rice then went on to earn a master's degree from the University of Notre Dame in 1975 and a doctorate Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. Dr. Rice has also received honorary doctorates from Morehouse College, the University of Alabama, and the University of Notre Dame.

Dr. Rice joined the faculty at Stanford University in 1981, where she initially served as a fellow in the arms control and disarmament program. She went on to become a tenured professor in the university's political science department. Dr. Rice received several teaching distinctions during in her time at Stanford. In 1984, she won the Walter J. Gores Award for Excellence in Teaching and in 1993, she was awarded the School of Humanities and Sciences Dean’s Award for Distinguished Teaching. She also served as a member of the Center for International Security and Arms Control and as a fellow of both the Institute for International Studies and the Hoover Institution. Rice ended a six year tenure as the University's provost in 1999.

http://racerelations.about.com/cs/prominentpeople/a/condoleezarice.htm

[GreenArrow]

41. her field of expertise is the former Soviet Union

Simply being a doctor does not impart to her a greater degree of intelligence, wisdom, or imagination.

She's about as qualified to hold her job as Clarence Thomas is to be on the Supreme Court.

[Donkeyboy75]

7. You sat in on these selection meetings, did you?

[tigereye]

10. from what I have read, she is a very intelligent

and well-educated woman who was once a Democrat and changed sides based on what she felt were terrible foreign policy decisions in the Carter years in Afghanistan. She is an expert in Russian foregin policy. She appears to be very good at self-promotion and at providing * a foreign policy "brain" and rationales for his horrifying policies.

However, it does seem as if the Reps were happy to find an African- American foreign policy PHD with previous admin. experience who fits with their bizarre neo-con policies. Too bad she is on the wrong side.

[ParisFrance]

12. If she were a democrat I would still say no to her being NA!

[candy]

15. No you wouldn't.

[ParisFrance]

16. She is bad at her job and I personally don't think she is so brilliant.

Yes, I would.

[HawkerHurricane]

9. She was hired because everyone in the PNAC knew her.

She was on the fringe of the movement, a senior analyist on the Soviet Union, who they knew they could trust.

That she was black/female was just icing.

[opihimoimoi]

11. Window dressing......incompetent idiot.....what is her title???

Is that National Security Advisor???

Did she advise the President in ways to avoid 9/11?

Maybe she did and he rejected the notion?? we will never know..unless she reveals down the road.

She and Rummy(Sec of Defense)..Defense: Protect the Homeland??
They both let America down by not protecting us...Rummy to focused on OFFENSE I guess...remember SHOCK AND AWE? That tells it all for me. He is a smiley fool looking for applause and flowers....forget the old doddering man, he is over the hill and out of it.

Condi was put in there for window dressing, a 2 fer/ Black and a woman.

[yardwork]

13. She was hired because she is a Bush confidante and a PNACer

BushCo only hire insiders. Rice has been friends with them forever and also close to big oil. Exxon named an oil tanker after her years ago.

Cheney wasn't hired because he is a white man, and Rice wasn't hired because she is a black woman. They were both hired because they are BushCo insiders who share the PNAC ideology and shrub trusts them. Period.

[ParisFrance]

14. Yes, she was all those things , except there are plenty more he could

have chose from, but I think she was picked due to being black. Then again, maybe she was not.

[jdj]

30. Thank you.

Does any of his other marionettes have their doctorate??

I mean calling one of the most educated people in this admin stupid is just, well, stupid.

Why is it harder to believe she's crooked than it is to assert that she is stupid? When did minorities gain this de facto canonization?

Accept it people. Crooks come in all colors, genders, shapes, sizes, sexualities, etc.

[July]

37. A Ph.D. is no guarantee of brilliance.

Some Ph.D.s are brilliant, but many are not. I can think of several I know personally who don't even seem very bright, though usually someone working on a Ph.D. needs some intelligence and good work habits to get through all that is required in a Ph.D. program. I say usually, because kissing up and weak Ph.D. programs have brought us some of the Ph.D.s out there.

And I'm not running down higher education. I know lots of talented Ph.D.s, as well.

Condi doesn't impress me at all.

[mcar]

40. Bingo

She can have 30 Ph.D.s and still not be competent for a particular job.

Anyone who watched her testimony before the 9/11 commission would question her competence. "It's not my job," was her mantra.

I don't question her intelligence, just her fitness for the job she holds.

[candy]

17. Many of the posts in this thread read like something on FR--

She was chosen because she's black? The education and experience mean nothing?

[jdj]

32. yeah-huh.

that's redneck for yes.

It's an implication that if, how do I say this, that education and experience always produce liberals, which sadly is not the case,and that how dare a minority have both and still be a deceptive, fascist evil neo-con, I mean this wasn't what the united negro college fund was all about, was it? I mean, they're not supposed to be able to make up their own minds once WE allow them to be educated...or something...lot's of weird stuff in between the lines in this one.

[Bluebear]

18. You don't think her oil history had anything to do with it?

Chevron named a friggin' OIL TANKER after her, ferchrissakes. This whole administration is steeped in oil.

[Lerkfish]

19. you beat me to it...

I was going to say oil. Back when bush picked his cabinet (if you'll recall, BEFORE the SCOTUS "selected" him), I noted that all members were either OIL or Military.
I made the comment to a coworker that turned out accurate: I said, why pick a cabinet like that, UNLESS you wanted to start a war for oil.

[JI7]

20. nope, it's because she is in with them on the oil business and other shit

she is part of the oil business and goes along with their crap. she is one of them, part of them. has nothing to do with her race.

although bush brings it up often to try to prove he isn't a racist.

[Ernesto]

22. DUH

[oasis]

23. "Airline hijackings other than traditional?...who knew?". To paraphase

Condi the Incompetent. :dunce:

[devilgrrl]

24. Paris France with another flame baiting thread...

Tire-toi, morpion!

[Stephanie]

25. It would be a very friendly thing to do

If you could post all of your remarks to Paris France in French. I think Paris would appreciate that. Please do. Put blm's mind at ease. For some reason he thinks Paris is in Texas.

[ParisFrance]

26. Yes, her oil connection was obviously part of the deal

What if George had 3 choices for NSA. 1 white man, 1 white woman, and 1 black woman=u get a woman and a black person which would please women's rights groups and might get votes from the african american community.

[devilgrrl]

29. Va te faire foutre,

fumier á l'haleine de roquet!

[Stephanie]

38. No reply? Strange.

I wish I knew what you said - I was hoping Paris would translate.

[jdj]

27. I have to disagree.

She doesn't stand out at all from the rest of the fascists, she's an oil lady, and she does as she is told.

[yellowdawgdem]

31. a Poppy Bush pick?

Maybe Poppy Bush picked her out, he seems to have picked Cheney and all the rest. If Dubya picked her, it was because they were already tight, and he wanted someone he could trust. I mean, sure, she had the qualifications, and being a Black woman is a plus, no doubt about that. But ultimately I've noticed that the Bush Admin. values loyalty and a certain agreeableness. I mean, he wants his employees to do exactly what he tells them to do, and not ask any questions. Condi does that, but I doubt she sleeps well at night.

[Disturbed]

33. You think her conscience bothers her?

I don't think so. I tend to feel that she is fully on board with the Neo Fascist ideology.

I think that she is above average IQ, much smarter than Dumbass but not experienced with what her job entailed. She also may be a "yes" person because she ignored Richard Clark's warnings and adhered to what Cheney wanted her to work on.

[yellowdawgdem]

42. onboard but with conscience

I can see your point that she has been onboard with the neo plan right along. However I've also noticed what a bad liar she is, and that she has seemed stressed from the very beginning of shrub's term. I mean, not just stressed but looks almost as though she were having a breakdown. It's true that she'd have been more qualified to work in an area that required knowledge of Russian. Maybe in that sense she isn't really qualified for her job as sec advisor. It's probably a mistake to put everybody into the same boat- even the neocons are not all the same. I hate to say it, but the whole scenario still reminds me of '30's Germany, where police and politicians alike were held to a certain fascist standard- not because they really agreed, but thru fear.

[goclark]

44. I agree Poppy in the Middle Again!

I always thought that Condi was a good friend of GHWB.

I always believed that it was Poppy that did all the picking and the placing.

It is so convenient that the Chimp is an idiot. That means that he can't make policy or decisions. Sooo it's up to mean old Poppy.

[ronabop]

34. She was totally qualified for her job...

...In 1986. She's a formidable expert at US-soviet relations. Stunning abilities, fluent in russian, history of russia and the soviet union, political alliances, behind-the-curtain-workings, etc.

Middle east, well... they weren't seen as a massive threat by the Rethugs in 1999. They were still scared by socialism, communism, and (guffaw) Cuba.

-Bop
edit: spelling

[tedzbear]

35. She had an oil tanker named after her.

Somebody thinks she's hot stuff.

:kick:

[are_we_united_yet]

36. Nice post

[GreenArrow]

39. she was hired as a babysitter

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[yellowdawgdem]

43. fair point ..eom